Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[EVILFACE]

Got my tickets. Sat afternoon at the Warren!

 

[Rorywan]

The funny thing is that it really hasn't been that long. 3 years is pretty much the standard turnaround time for sequels; hell, it took longer for TDKR to come out, but this was announced so early that it gives people the perception that they've been waiting forever.

It was actually pushed back by an entire year. That's the difference.
It should be out on Blu-ray and be hated by now?

 

[Rorywan]

Got my tickets. Sat afternoon at the Warren!

Why pre-book? I never bother unless its a midnight showing or whatever.

 

[Remy]

Got my tix.
Thursday night show.

 

[batfan08]

It was actually pushed back by an entire year. That's the difference.
It should be out on Blu-ray and be hated by now?

The way they've handled it has been weird, no doubt, but, honestly, I'd say the delays give me more confidence than anything. I don't know how this is going to turn out, but, good or bad, I'm betting it will have turned out better than what we would have had in July.

At the end of the day, what it all comes down to is the fact that they bit off more than they could chew, and it was kind of unprecedented. It's crazy to me that this movie was officially announced at Comic-Con in 2013, a mere month after Man of Steel hit theaters, and, for the first year, we literally didn't know what to call it. Ben Affleck was cast, and, still, it was the "untitled Batman and Superman movie." They've pretty much walked us through production on the whole thing.

 

[EVILFACE]

Why pre-book? I never bother unless its a midnight showing or whatever.

The Warrens director suites and balcony sell out quick. I get one of those for flicks I'm eager to see. Otherwise yea just get tickets before the show.

 

[Rorywan]

The Warrens director suites and balcony sell out quick. I get one of those for flicks I'm eager to see. Otherwise yea just get tickets before the show.

Ok, that sounds cool. I get it.

 

[Master Wayne]

Got my tickets. 70MM showing.

 

[JAWS]

Only comic fans or kids who grew up watching the 90's Iron Man cartoon knew who he was, but to the public, he was a new character. Capt America was known the same way WW is known today, which is a very iconic looking character that's been around forever, but no one knows her story or origin, they just know what she looks like.



True, although by the time GOTG hit the screen, the Marvel brand was strong enough to sell these unknown characters. Another benefit of using unknown characters, is that people don't have preconceived notions of what the characters should be or shouldn't be as we've seen with characters like Batman and Superman, which have been around for so long that everyone has in their minds their own ideal version of those characters, hence why it's more difficult to make the fans happy. Also, unknown characters don't t get compared with previous versions because they're one of a kind.



I can't, because those films were made specifically for the general audience. They had to build their universe on the shoulders of an unknown character, IM. He had never been in a film before unlike Batman or Superman and no one knew his origin. By now, people know Sups origin from MOS, and Batman is so iconic that everyone knows his story....giving him a solo film first is not going to change that.




The avengers are a larger group of characters and their facing Gods and aliens from other worlds and that needed to be set up. BVS is about Batman (a well know character) having a problem with Sups because of what happened in the previous film which people are familiar with. That's a simple story. Yes, there's Lex Luthor also, but again he's a well known villain, unlike Loki.



Yes, because it had many elements that needed a set up for the film to make sense.



Not really, BVS is a much simpler story which is building upon a film that people are already familiar with.

If WB was making a Justice League film, I would agree with you that they are rushing it, but they're not making a JL film, it's BvS: Dawn of Justice, and by the time the JL: part 1 comes out, there's MOS, BVS, Suicide Squad, and Wonder Woman to get us ready for JL. The film will most likely focus on the trinity anyway, with Flash and Aquaman doing some cool stuff.

You are bringing the general public into it again.. Just pretend that No marvel movie has ever been made..... And this year AVENGERS was coming out.. AS a Comic fan we would be excited... We don't need the background... But would it be as cool or as good??

You stated that they had to be made that way for the general public... I am not arguing that.... But as comic fans we really did not need them to get to know the characters.. But it's great they did because we got to see THESE versions of the characters on their own and meet up which worked very well. It was Awesome that is was RDJ Iron man meeting up with CH Thor and CE Cap.....

Here is a great example... It would have been cooler if MR got to be the Hulk in TIH instead of Ed Norton.. He was still great in Avengers but some of the coolness factor was gone compared to the others.

That is how I feel about Bats and WW... Sure the film will be good... But it would have meant more to see these actors in their own movie so that the WOW factor could be turned up....


I am not saying you need whole movie to get to know Batman again.. But a whole movie to make the cool factor of BvS be that much more awesome..

 

[jye4ever]

Great arguments were made on both sides of the debate, well done basement dwellers and real people.

But if I was picking a winner it ever so slightly goes to the "Did NOT need previous movies" for BvS to succeed camp!

A valient effort was made by just 3 members, Rory, JAWS, a-dev, it took a great effort to push back on them.

Congrats to both sides on a well fought debate, you may proceed with your arguments.

 

[EVILFACE]

The first successful Marvel movie was Blade. The very definition of an unknown character. R rated at that. It didn't need any previous movies. And did good enough to spawn 3 movies.

X-Men did ok. And then was laughed at by Spider-Man.

 

[jye4ever]

Oh boy. It didn't get funny until the phone crush. Then it was funny for a little bit longer and then got dumb again.

I liked that Kimmel skit!

Bruce's "**** Off!" was awesome!

 

[jye4ever]

The first successful Marvel movie was Blade. The very definition of an unknown character. R rated at that. It didn't need any previous movies. And did good enough to spawn 3 movies.

X-Men did ok. And then was laughed at by Spider-Man.

and lol at Spiderman line.

So what the **** is Jada and Will bitching about then, first popular Marvel movie was a black superhero!

 

[Rorywan]

Great arguments were made on both sides of the debate, well done basement dwellers and real people.

But if I was picking a winner it ever so slightly goes to the "Did NOT need previous movies" for BvS to succeed camp!

A valient effort was made by just 3 members, Rory, JAWS, a-dev, it took a great effort to push back on them.

Congrats to both sides on a well fought debate, you may proceed with your arguments.

Depends on what you mean by succeed?
Divergent succeeded. Jurassic World succeeded.

Will I be buying the deluxe, original cut, remastered in 50K editions in 10 years time?
I think not.

Different strokes.. Different folks.

 

[EVILFACE]

Maybe Snipes turned her down.

I liked Luthor and Damon in the Kimmel skit.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

So what the **** is Jada and Will bitching about then, first popular Marvel movie was a black superhero!

And how many years ago was that again?

I liked that Kimmel skit!

Bruce's "**** Off!" was awesome!

If they had just ended it with Will Arnett walking away with Lego Batman it would've be much funnier.

 

[GasparZizou]

BW is not WW... Again this is a second tier player.. WW deserves more then BW... BW appearing in IM2 was no big deal.... WW should be better the a Cameo.

Why? What's wrong with an introductory cameo, we know she's getting her own movie, BW isn't.

I'm not comparing BW to WW, I'm comparing WW's part in the movie to BW's part, nothing wrong with an introductory cameo.

Yes... But that is the point.. Look at the films as Comics... If WW just appeared in a superman comic for only a couple of panels and you knew little about her then it would be no big deal... Or if I never picked up a WW comic.. No big deal.. But if I knew who WW was and what she was about then it would be very cool to see her in a few panels of a Superman Comic...

Now you might say.. But we know who WW is... We don't need to read her comic... Well I don't know this rendition and like I said before... I am not saying that it can't be good... I am saying it could have been much better.

I would say that, you DO know who WW is, enough with origin stories.

Poorly done character development... I think Superman/Clark Kent had 15 lines of Dialogue.

That doesn't mean it wasn't a lot of it, poorly done? Disagree.

Due to the way the story was told in flashbacks and everything you never got to connect with any of the characters...

You didn't, seriously you didn't connect when Ma Kent went to comfort his frightened kid?

Lets not forget also that 25 min of that opening Hour and 20 was Krypton... Nothing to do with the man himself.

Yeah they just showed how he was born and stuff

Again we were expected to flow with the story because we knew the characters... I compare how this film was done compared to the Reeves version and how fleshed out everyone was... Louis Lane had character, Pa Kent had character, Perry White had character.... SUPERMAN had character... Really...

And these characters don't have a character here? You need to see the movie again.

Take away what we know about the comics and tell me who Louis and Perry were in this film... Who was Superman other then a scared and confused alien made that way by his adoptive father...

This is very easy to answer, wth? are you kidding?

How about the forced relationship with Louis...

No, this I'll give you, it was rushed as hell.

Louis

No one knows who Aquaman is. People have re-forgotten who Green Lantern is.

They know who they are better than they know who Starlord or Antman is.

 

[GasparZizou]

Da bad buzz didn't work Could be just the fans and the nerds pre-ordering though.

>Based on current ticket trend from movietickets.com Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice is accounting for 39% of all ticket sale at the time of this article. To give you a perspective on how well it’s doing since ticket went on sale this morning at 10am EST, here are the ticket sales pull from web.archive.org from other major movies during their first 24 hours run. Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice early ticket sales is looking pretty impressive. We will not know how high it’s ticket sale for the first 24 hours will end, but it's worth noting that at its current rate it could end as high as Star Wars TFA. It has already surpassed Age of Ultron in its first 5 hours.

>Update: After ten hours since ticket went on sale Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice has surpassed Jurassic World at 54%. At this rate it should finish around 65% - 75%.

 

[EVILFACE]

I bet Zack and IrishJedi are buying all dem tickets.

 

[Rorywan]

No one knows who Martian Manhunter is. No one knows who Aquaman is. People have re-forgotten who Green Lantern is. Again I think you guys overestimate the general awareness of characters like those.

They know who they are better than they know who Starlord or Antman is.

Yeah, that's why StarLord and Ant-Man got their own movies before joining with the other established characters.
I love the way DC are doing that too, with Aquaman, Green Lantern & co... oh.. wait.... Martian who?