Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[karamazov80]

If I remembered that scene at all, I might agree with you.

 

[jye4ever]

I think that's a good way of summarizing it. But for Superman, I think charm is more important than charisma. And Cavill has some of that. Not a lot, not as much as Routh or even Dean Cain, but some. Wonder Woman though, as the ambassador of her home world/plane of reality/whatever, she needs charisma.

See. now you're splitting hairs.

You probably need one to have the other anyways.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

I think it depends on the scene and what it calls for. In the interrogation scene, he showed charisma interacting with Adams then changed to be stern with the army peps. He is no Reeve but does a good enough job acting and looking the part.

Yeah, agreed.

 

[karamazov80]

See. now you're splitting hairs.

You probably need one to have the other anyways.

How so? I think they are fundamentally different characters with different primary personality traits. Superman shouldn't have an Alpha Dog personality. He's not running for President. He should be a leader when he is called upon to do it, but deep down, he's a guy who grew up on a country farm, who has strong values, and helps because he feels a sense of duty. That is actually one thing I can agree with about the Snyder approach. Wonder Woman is a different beast. She's aggressive and a natural leader.

 

[Rorywan]

at Baffleck.

(his left eye is now bigger than his right).

 

[GasparZizou]

that was better than the Kimmel skit.

 

[spindrift]

We'll all be there weekend of the 25th...that's all that matters

 

[IrishJedi]

Eisenberg is pretty funny there.

 

[EVILFACE]

Wait. I....I didn't agree to that.

 

[rushmore223]

Just wondering if anybody knows who Jena Malone played in this movie, that ended up getting cut out of the film? Supposedly she will be in the Ultimate Edition release.

Then again, there's a 50% chance that if you tell me, I won't know who the character is.

 

[EVILFACE]

There is a 100% chance I don't know who Jena Malone is.

 

[rushmore223]

There is a 100% chance I don't know who Jena Malone is.

She was the female lead in the show "The Office".



Actually, I may have the wrong person, since I noticed there is a Jena Malone who was in Sucker Punch.

Edit - ha ha, Office girl is Jenna Fischer.

 

[EVILFACE]

Oh the sucker punch chick is rumored to be TDKR Robin.

Don't know anything about the Office chick being in it.

 

[rushmore223]

Oh the sucker punch chick is rumored to be TDKR Robin.

Don't know anything about the Office chick being in it.

Thanks!

My ambivalence towards the actors led me to not knowing their actual names, I'll have to fact check next time I ask a question,

 

[snoop101]

I thought he was great in Scott Pilgrim, showed his comedic chops in that. Is he a better actor than Cavill? I'm not sure I haven't seen enough of Cavill's work, but Routh gave a better performance in SR in my opinion.


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Wasn't he in Scott Pilgrim for like 30 seconds?

In what scene in Superman Returns did Routh demonstrate even sub-par acting skills? He had about four lines in the entire movie.

Knock yourself out. i'm afraid you will have to do the homework yourself.
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0746125/filmotype/actor?ref_=m_nmfm_1

So you can't name even one?

Thanks for the list though, and you're right, those movies are bad ass.

I think it depends on the scene and what it calls for. In the interrogation scene, he showed charisma interacting with Adams then changed to be stern with the army peps. He is no Reeve but does a good enough job acting and looking the part. Snyder prolly isn't the best to be directing him. Maybe take some pointers from Affleck.

 

[pturtle]

Wasn't he in Scott Pilgrim for like 30 seconds?

In what scene in Superman Returns did Routh demonstrate even sub-par acting skills? He had about four lines in the entire movie.



So you can't name even one?

Thanks for the list though, and you're right, those movies are bad ass.

More than 30 seconds, and he did a great job in his role, that small role showed he had some range and was able to play a totally different character from Superman. Again, I don't think Routh is a great actor, but everything I've seen him in he was solid. I've only seen Cavill in MOS and I didn't think he was bad but he really wasn't good either, he wasn't like Andrew Garfield who was able to shine even though he was in terrible Spider-Man movies.

It's not a specific scene, it's his overall performance, he's was able to channel Reeve while still bringing something of his own to the role. When he was Clarke, he was goofy and really sold that he couldn't be Superman, like Reeve did, when he was Superman in public, he was the the stoic approachable Boy Scout we all love, and when he was by himself he did a great job showing the affects feeling alienated from everyone and everything on earth. He actually had to do a lot in that role, it was subtle but still good, Cavill basically played the same guy in the movie from beginning to end.


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[snoop101]

More than 30 seconds, and he did a great job in his role, that small role showed he had some range and was able to play a totally different character from Superman. Again, I don't think Routh is a great actor, but everything I've seen him in he was solid. I've only seen Cavill in MOS and I didn't think he was bad but he really wasn't good either, he wasn't like Andrew Garfield who was able to shine even though he was in terrible Spider-Man movies.

It's not a specific scene, it's his overall performance, he's was able to channel Reeve while still bringing something of his own to the role. When he was Clarke, he was goofy and really sold that he couldn't be Superman, like Reeve did, when he was Superman in public, he was the the stoic approachable Boy Scout we all love, and when he was by himself he did a great job showing the affects feeling alienated from everyone and everything on earth. He actually had to do a lot in that role, it was subtle but still good, Cavill basically played the same guy in the movie from beginning to end.


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Routh impersonating Reeve doesn't do it for me. I think it would've been better if they went a completely different route instead of it being a weird semi-sequel to the originals. Not really his fault, but there's not a single scene in Superman Returns where Routh displays any sort of emotion besides when he gets shanked with kryptonite by Lex. And if anything Man of Steel does a great job exploring how Clark feels so alienated from the rest of the world, hell that's what the first half of the film is about. Cavill playing the same character from beginning to end is a product of it being his origin story. He didn't even discover the daily planet until the end of the movie, let alone develop the "Clark Kent reporter" persona.

 

[pturtle]

Routh impersonating Reeve doesn't do it for me. I think it would've been better if they went a completely different route instead of it being a weird semi-sequel to the originals. Not really his fault, but there's not a single scene in Superman Returns where Routh displays any sort of emotion besides when he gets shanked with kryptonite by Lex. And if anything Man of Steel does a great job exploring how Clark feels so alienated from the rest of the world, hell that's what the first half of the film is about. Cavill playing the same character from beginning to end is a product of it being his origin story. He didn't even discover the daily planet until the end of the movie, let alone develop the "Clark Kent reporter" persona.

So you're telling me Routh was just a stone faced Superman with no charisma? Did you think he played Clarke the same as he played Superman? Not every role requires yelling and crying

That's the crazy thing, MOS is an origin story and Cavill basically is the same guy throughout, look at Spidey 1, Batman Begins, Iron Man etc... Almost every origin story shows the main character evolve, or devolve, that's basically the point


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[snoop101]

So you're telling me Routh was just a stone faced Superman with no charisma? Did you think he played Clarke the same as he played Superman? Not every role requires yelling and crying

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Are you insinuating that he wasn't? Routh was better because his Clark(there's no e) was a goofy mumbling moron? I don't know how an actor could meet or exceed those incredible acting skills.

Cavill's Superman/Clark was raised believing that the world would hate him if they knew who he really was. He surrenders to the Government to save a World that might not even accept him for doing so. How is that not evolving?

 

[pturtle]

I think it's been a long time since you've watched Superman Returns and you might need to revisit it. If you think his Clark (autocorrect kept putting the E) and his Superman were basically played the same then I don't know what to tell you.

I'm speaking about the way he performed the character throughout the movie, in Spiderman 1, you see Toby go from this shy nerdy character to a more confident outgoing person, it's not just the way it's written, Toby did a great job at showing that. In MOS, Cavill's acting didn't change throughout, it's the reason why his performance felt soulless, he was the same guy throughout even though his character went from letting his dad die (talking about a moron ) to saving people, but character wise he evolved, acting wise he was the same throughout the movie, which isn't really his fault but unfortunately it's looking like he's doing the same thing in BvS.

Also Cavill is being directed by Snyder, that right there is a huge problem, while Routh was being directed by a much better director.


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