Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[greygoose]

I do think it would be kind of hilarious if The Russos wound up being the new Favreau, and all these fanboys expecting Civil War to wash the bad taste out of their mouths wound up watching a colossal suck show. I'd be sad, because TWS was probably my favorite Marvel movie of all time, but there's a small, dark, impish part of me that would probably gain some satisfaction from watching the particularly smug fanboys drown in their salty tears.

But...but...it's Marvel!!!

 

[pturtle]

Audience score for AoU is 4.1, for this is 4.3, same as TWS. I think it's going to go down cause there's like another 100k votes to go.

My bad, I was looking at the user score on RT, that's at an 84% which is still wayyyyyy too high in my opinion.


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[FSLAR]

I do think it would be kind of hilarious if The Russos wound up being the new Favreau, and all these fanboys expecting Civil War to wash the bad taste out of their mouths wound up watching a colossal suck show. I'd be sad, because TWS was probably my favorite Marvel movie of all time, but there's a small, dark, impish part of me that would probably gain some satisfaction from watching the particularly smug fanboys drown in their salty tears.

Absolutely, TWS was a great movie, totally one of the best MCU movies, and I don't blame anyone for calling it their favorite. I don't want to see Civil War turn out horrible or average, but at the same time, seeing this happen...

...especially if it happens in real life. Oh god

 

[jye4ever]

I do think it would be kind of hilarious if The Russos wound up being the new Favreau, and all these fanboys expecting Civil War to wash the bad taste out of their mouths wound up watching a colossal suck show. I'd be sad, because TWS was probably my favorite Marvel movie of all time, but there's a small, dark, impish part of me that would probably gain some satisfaction from watching the particularly smug fanboys drown in their salty tears.

I believe the glowing reviews from the leak Marvel had a hand in doing.

Careful now..CW is golden- just ask all these guys who haven't even seen it yet

Russo's mother saw it and loved it, I trust her word.

Since you're on board with Han Solo's fate did you finally come around on recognizing the awesomeness of Rathtars and Kanjiclub?

I'll let you know 4/5!

Can't wait for my DVDs to arrive!

 

[spindrift]

My local theatre has added many showings Thurs night- several IMAX showings are near fully booked- I see HUGE numbers- key is alot of these nerds (like me) gotta walk out happy..!

 

[jye4ever]

I was a nervous wreck walking into TFA.

I'm as calm as can be with BvS.

Just looking forward to watching it with wife and son, we'll be doing the whole dinner in the theater thing.

 

[GasparZizou]

My bad, I was looking at the user score on RT, that's at an 84% which is still wayyyyyy too high in my opinion.

It undoubtedly is, and user score usually means nothing since the audience will eat anything, but if it turns out the movie isn't really bad like critics say, then audience acceptance is all it needs to do well in the BO.

Even the writer of X-men first class is starting to see it.

IF turns out the movie isn't bad.

 

[Darkseed]

I think most of the hate is justified though.

Bad CGI, Lex Luthor, what we have seen from MoS, Snyder making this..... all are real negative points that hold some validity.

Heavens no....folks have an agenda towards movies. The lamest excuse ever.....if it's getting bad reviews it is likely warranted not a vendetta.

I have two issues with the movie before seeing it 1) Snyder 2) Cavill. I have lower expectations based on their history but I don't want any films from DC or Marvel films to collapse. Their success breads more films with greater risks (GotG, Ant Man).....it's a win-win

 

[spindrift]

I was a nervous wreck walking into TFA.

I'm as calm as can be with BvS.

Just looking forward to watching it with wife and son, we'll be doing the whole dinner in the theater thing.

Maybe because expectations lowered? I wasn't nervous before TFA- just hoping it would be better than PT and ROTJ..heh heh

 

[Victοr]

DC is inherently a little darker and a little more serious than Marvel, the current trend is that Marvel (in the comics too) makes fun of itself, in an I'm too cool to take myself seriously way is cheesy and straight up detrimental for some characters, "lmao u wearing a cape dude", they make a joke out of themselves and people eat it up (not even kidding), ask darthkostis, DC still takes itself seriously which is how it should be with superheroes, at least with most of the A-listers.

I'm gonna have to dissagree on that. Recently, I've been feeling fed up with Marvel. Constant relaunches, Gwenpool and Spider-Gwen, Squirell Girl, all bloody **** that made my blood boil. So, I went back and started reading some older stuff from both companies to come to a conclusion. My verdict? Despite the recent trends, Marvel was and is much darker than DC.

Let's take death for example. DC's most famous is Superman's, which took place in 1992. There, Kal, valiantly sacrifices his life and goes out like a hero, protecting the world. It's a good tale. The noble hero goes out in a blaze of glory and the whole world cries out in sadness. Of course, being Superman, he came back a while later. DC capitalized on his absence and so and so and so. Twas a good tale.

Now let's look at Marvel's most famous death, Mar-Vell's, which occured in 1982, a whooping 10 years before Superman's. There, Mar-Vell dies not during a physical battle, but out of losing the fight with cancer. The whole story centers around him at first trying to find a cure for his disease (not even knowing what it is at first) and later coming to terms with it. In the end, he succumbs to his illness, suroundedby his friends in a modest bed. No grand fight, no spectacle, the man just... dies. Before he crosses the veil, he shares a very touching scene with Thanos, his mortal enemy. There, he accepts death and walks towards the light alongside his rival. That's probably a dream sequence, and it symbolizes the fact that he's letting go and accepting the inevitable. Honestly, it's one of my favourite pages ever:

To this day, Captain Mar-Vell has not come back. 34 years later, and he's still in the grave. Now, you can argue that DC has had other, more high profile deaths such as Barry Allen's. Well, thing is, this one special because it's not a classic death. It's not about overcoming the odds and emerging victorious, it's about accepting defeat. It's about life itself. That sometimes, no matter how strong, or valiant or noble you are, you can go out like the average joe. Just by your cells multiplying out of control.

Apart from that, most Iron Man comics deal with morality and the concept of war. Why is Stark above the rest? Why does he get to have such a brilliant weapon while pretending to be a peace-keeping agent? You can see that, more often than not, Stark's happy-go-lucky self is a facade. Look no further than Fraction's brilliant run to see such examples. Personally, Fraction's Iron Man might be my favourite run ever. His rise and fall, the character arc throughout it, it's deeply moving and powerful stuff.

In another corner, Moon Knight, at least the first vol, deals with spirituality. But not in an "my aura and my inner self are aligned" way, but in a realistic and down to earth manner. He's a deeply violent man who's trying to find redemption by being the exact same person. He hasn't, for the most part, changed. He hasn't stopped being bloodthirsty. He's still that same merc who gunned down innocents, but because he despises himself, he indulges in a fantasy that can offer him salvation. The Stained Glass Scarlet issues, about a nun who murdered her own son because he was a mob boss are usually the best examples of that.

The X-Men are the best allegory for opression and minorities. "God loves, Man kills" is a classic, and it reads more like a "lost" Image title than a superhero comic. The good stuff can get lost in the endless stories of mutants versus robots, but at its core, the Mutants still stand for the fight against prejudice. Morisson's New X-Men, albeit crazy, portrayed both the beautiful and ugly sides of them. Accepting who you are, versus becoming the very thing you fight against through systematic opression.

I don't think I need to mention Daredevil or Punisher. Both those characters deal with the reality of society and "the streets" much better than anything else. There's no sugarcoating in there, events are protrayed exactly as they are. "The Slavers" is an especially chilling Punisher story, as it captures the human traffic phenomenon perfectly.

I could go on and on and on, but, my point is, Marvel's characters are faulty. They're not perfect or great. Whereas DC deals with the gold standard, Marvel stoops down and deals with the rejects. It's no coincidence that whenever Marvel tries to copy DC characters they never work. Quasar and Green Lantern, Sentry and Superman, etc, etc. They're at their best when they're dealing with the psychos, the monsters and the pricks. Nighthawk is rubbish. But Supreme Power Nighthawk? The man whose parents were the victims of a hate crime who grew up and became just as racist as his "enemies"? Now that's interesting.

I won't pretend that DC doesn't have good stories. Longbow Hunters and Green Lantern/Green Arrow tackled racism and such issues, but they were too on the nose. Hal was reduced to an unrecognizable character in order to play the conservative to Ollie's liberal. The issues they stumbled across were a bit too contrived and not really realistic. The "blue skins vs black skins" line I find rather cringy. Nevertheless, they have great stories, they do. It's just that, for the most part, they're well-written super-hero stories, whereas Marvel's, if you change the main characters, could very well make for great dramas.

And that's the fundemental difference between the two. DC is portraying the "endgame", but through the lenses of pessimism, in order to make the heroes triumph over injustice no matter the cost. It's mean to show that, even if things look bleak and miserable, the good guys will always win. Superman will come back. The sun will rise. Batman, for all of his grumpiness, will let his guard down when he has to. Marvel portrays a realistic and cold world through happy-go-lucky glasses. That's meant to showcase the reality of the situation. That you can't save everyone. That you can't change the world. That you are bound by society's rules, no matter how unjust they are. But, because they are the heroes, they remain optimistic. That maybe, just maybe, I'll be able to change something, no matter how small.

Anyway, I know this went really off-topic, but these are just my 0.02$. I'm more well-versed in Marvel so I'm probably missing tons of stuff on DC, but that's my personal take on the whole thing. Neither is superior, but, IMO at least, Marvel's the more realistic one. Not the grittier one, but the one who portrays things how they are.

 

[spindrift]

It undoubtedly is, and user score usually means nothing since the audience will eat anything, but if it turns out the movie isn't really bad like critics say, then audience acceptance is all it needs to do well in the BO.

Even the writer of X-men first class is starting to see it.

IF turns out the movie isn't bad.

The man is golden in my book...!

 

[Ropen]

Marvel ruined everything. All reviewers want marvel. Or my conspiracy mind, Disney buying all reviewers to their side. I swear, every time I see big critics go down I see marvel thrown in there.


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[Khev]

I was a nervous wreck walking into TFA.

I'm as calm as can be with BvS.

Just looking forward to watching it with wife and son, we'll be doing the whole dinner in the theater thing.

I was a nervous wreck worried about hearing a spoiler while waiting in line for TFA. Yeah, no stress at all for BvS. I don't think I'll be taking the kids to this one though.

 

[spindrift]

Marvel ruined everything. All reviewers want marvel. Or my conspiracy mind, Disney buying all reviewers to their side. I swear, every time I see big critics go down I see marvel thrown in there.


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Disney does have the power- heck they could buy DC if they were allowed to!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Ugh... Isn't that the truth.

Suicide Squad could go either way. When David Ayer does a good job, his films get an approval rating of 75%-85%...but when he fails, he gets a 19%-48%...so SS could go either way.

 

[Ropen]

I know, all that money and buying influence. Reviews don't get to me but it just breaks my heart when everyone just totally is like meh This movie sucks, it's gonna fail. But after the video game industry, we all know under the sheets it's a dog eat dog world.


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[loki2371]

Well, from everything I've read it seems my feelings/predictions were pretty accurate about this. Being crap. I don't see anyone who has ever been a fan of Superman in any incarnation (comics,movies,tv,animation) could possibly ever think Jesse Eisenberg would be a good Lex Luthor.. ... He seems to be the most universally panned part so far....

 

[rushmore223]

Oh No! A bunch of critics didn't like BVS!

They must be part of a conspiracy!

 

[pturtle]

It undoubtedly is, and user score usually means nothing since the audience will eat anything, but if it turns out the movie isn't really bad like critics say, then audience acceptance is all it needs to do well in the BO.

Even the writer of X-men first class is starting to see it.

IF turns out the movie isn't bad.

I think critics are less forgiving with the Batman and Superman characters because they feel they should be aimed at kids, most Marvel movies probably get more leeway because they are aimed at kids, the horrible dialogue, acting, and story doesn't matter much to critics in those movies which is why most of their reviews mention the word "fun" being the main reason they recommend those movies. MOS wasn't fun, so you take that out of there, those critics are going to start paying more attention to the dialogue, editing, story etc...

I don't think the critics are paid off when it comes to Marvel movies, I'm with Jye regarding there being some sort of conspiracy, I absolutely doubt there is but I do think critics let Marvel off the hook because they're "fun" movies, and that's how they feel superhero movies should be. If you're not a fun superhero movie, then you better be a great film which I don't think Snyder is capable of producing.


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[WWEJedi]

It undoubtedly is, and user score usually means nothing since the audience will eat anything, but if it turns out the movie isn't really bad like critics say, then audience acceptance is all it needs to do well in the BO.

Even the writer of X-men first class is starting to see it.

IF turns out the movie isn't bad.

Audience score shouldn't be a good example.

Look here

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) - User ratings

75% give BvS 10/10 aka perfect score. Majority voters are ages 18 (or younger) to 29, most likely comic book fans who wanted this to be good. Read there reviews. Some highlights...

"The best comic book film in the last five years"
"fight of the century"
"deserves an oscar"
"best comic book movie ever made" - I read this one a lot.
"a masterpiece"
"a new era of comic book movies..."

These people are reviewing based on there fandom... they love Batman and Superman. If I reviewed the Star Wars PT like that... guess what? I would give them 10/10's. I love those movies, but I can recognize the flaws of them. One needs to be able to separate the fan and critic in themselves to give an accurate review. The people on IMDb can't seem to do that.