Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[loki2371]

Wasn't gonna bother, but here's my long winded rant...

Marvel did it right. Took it's time in making the audience like and care about EACH character before throwing them all together in the Avengers. They slowly built their universe. That's part of why it worked so well. DC expects to do it with one movie. Sure everyone knows Batman and Superman, but not every one "cares" about Batman and Superman. Each Marvel movie was well enough received on their own to then bring the characters together and generate actual excitement and anticipation. Even from the general public, not just the fanboys. And then the Avengers was a great movie and showed their approach worked. History was made, cinema was changed, and a new race began.

This movie was simply a rush and a race to compete with Marvel and get into the Cinematic Universe game... that's it, and it now shows. Nothing was well thought out. DC's mantra was that "Our's is different and will be grounded gritty, dark, and realistic." That was their battle cry. Marvel is for kids... Well, I have kids, and I can't even enjoy taking them to a DC movie. Big mistake. That's gonna hurt the most. The reviews of how violent this is. There was destruction in Marvel, but handled tastefully. Not what we're seeing here.

While I somewhat enjoyed MOS, it wasn't taken well by many fans and critics... Who on earth would base a Universe on that?? They should've made a redeeming Superman sequel, then a Batman movie in the same universe, then this Batman v Superman movie, then JL... Not what were getting. Just a rushed slap in the face and a war cry of "give me all your money dumb fan boys!!"

Superman MOS was never meant be a starting point for a universe. It was an after thought that greedy hollywood executives thought up in their heads to get richer and make their share holders love them. DC was behind and needed to catch up... and fast. They actually shot scenes showing Batman was in Metropolis when the proverbial sh@t hit the fan. He's mad now and want's to bring down Superman. That's Batmans intro and motivation into how he fits in with the MOS movie...People were paid lots and lots of $$$$ to come up with that? Well, right there they already got Batman as a character wrong. He wouldn't have just been running around in the streets helping people while giving Supes the stink eye!! The minute Zod gave his speech across the world, he'd have been suited up and waiting for the worst, not having a business meeting in Metropolis. Then, after his displeasure and trust in how much death and destruction Superman allowed to happen, Brucey himself then causes even more death and destruction than Superman did. And Superman was trying to stop Zod who wanted to enslave the world. Not have a **** fight.. Much of a hypocrite? Bruce Wayne, typical egotistic billionaire industrialist. My money can fix it...

While I will eventually see this, I feel this was destined to fail before it even began. What a waste and missed opportunity. DC just can't get this stuff (live action movies) right...... And I am a DC fan as well as Marvel. I don't like one over the other... But when it comes to movies.... so far no contest.

 

[FSLAR]

The thing with people expecting Batman and Superman being aimed toward kids has been a problem for so long, it plagued 1989 Batman...don't get why, I mean it's probably due to some tie in stuff (some older cartoons pre-TAS and the never ending amount of toys) but it's ridiculous. Read the source material not to mention most of their parents probably were in shock of how bad Batman and Robin was despite them being the reason for that.

 

[jye4ever]

I was a nervous wreck worried about hearing a spoiler while waiting in line for TFA. Yeah, no stress at all for BvS. I don't think I'll be taking the kids to this one though.

I'm ok with BvS content for him (no Deadpool) it's the length i'm worried about, nothing that can't be fixed with extra pizza lol.

Actually, the viewing with wife/son will already be my second of BvS.

Know what movie disappointed me worse than TFA after 1st viewing, Fury Road!

 

[spindrift]

I think critics are less forgiving with the Batman and Superman characters because they feel they should be aimed at kids, most Marvel movies probably get more leeway because they are aimed at kids, the horrible dialogue, acting, and story doesn't matter much to critics in those movies which is why most of their reviews mention the word "fun" being the main reason they recommend those movies. MOS wasn't fun, so you take that out of there, those critics are going to start paying more attention to the dialogue, editing, story etc...

I don't think the critics are paid off when it comes to Marvel movies, but they do let them off the hook because they're "fun".


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I enjoyed AoU as a MCU film but talk about a mess with a joke and I mean joke of a villian. Add awful scenes like at Hawkeye's secret house and oh forget it... yeah marvel gets a huge pass critically

 

[spindrift]

I'm ok with BvS content for him (no Deadpool) it's the length i'm worried about, nothing that can't be fixed with extra pizza lol.

Actually, the viewing with wife/son will already be my second of BvS.

Know what movie disappointed me worse than TFA after 1st viewing, Fury Road!

Tell me you didn't mean that..........................FR was a great and pleasant surprise

 

[Khev]

I'm ok with BvS content for him

Iffy quality + Lois naked in a tub with her BF + 2 hrs 40 min = not gonna bother taking them. I'll catch it and probably enjoy it and that will be enough.

 

[sallah]

Audience score shouldn't be a good example.

Look here

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) - User ratings

75% give BvS 10/10 aka perfect score. Majority voters are ages 18 (or younger) to 29, most likely comic book fans who wanted this to be good. Read there reviews. Some highlights...

"The best comic book film in the last five years"
"fight of the century"
"deserves an oscar"
"best comic book movie ever made" - I read this one a lot.
"a masterpiece"
"a new era of comic book movies..."

These people are reviewing based on there fandom... they love Batman and Superman. If I reviewed the Star Wars PT like that... guess what? I would give them 10/10's. I love those movies, but I can recognize the flaws of them. One needs to be able to separate the fan and critic in themselves to give an accurate review. The people on IMDb can't seem to do that.

Exactly.... As are all those "early reviews" from the world premiere that were overwhelmingly gushing. Of course they are going to say that! The experience of being there would likely turn anything you watched into gold. They had to be diehard fans of this film (regardless of how it was going to turn out) to gather there... Watching the stars of the film go in to the theater, hoping to somehow get in to see the film. Ater all that, of course your opinion would be swayed towards the positive end.

That is why I never trust the audience rating or reviews from premieres.... They are inherently biased. I'll take those critic percentages as a good barometer on if the film is worth gambling the (expensive) cost of a ticket on. Anything under 60%? Probably safer waiting for the cheap theaters or Redbox.

It was a moot point on this one as I ended up getting the invite to a free screening.... but had I not, that 38%-40% it is tracking at would have been my sign to just wait it out for a cheaper release, if I ever bothered to watch it at all.

Sallah

 

[sallah]

Read the source material

Hmm.... The majority of Batman stories are accessible to pre-teens (at least up until the last few years). And Superman? There are very, VERY few of those that I'd consider not all ages appropriate.

Maybe Batman films should warrant a PG-13.. But sorry- As a parent, Superman films should never be something I can't take my kids too. He is the definition of an all-ages character if there ever was one. Just my take on it.

Sallah

 

[Victοr]

You know, if folks here weren't so concerned with Marvel's success but actually discussed and admitted the movie's faults, I reckon the discussion would be more interesting. But hey, why admit that the movie you were expecting to be great is actually mediocre, when you can drop the blame on someone else? Because if a movie gets bad reviews, it's not its fault, oh no! It's that other company's fault who's obviously wasting money on a smear campaign. And not only that, they managed to get every single critic in their pocket! America, British, Spanish, it doesn't matter! Marvel scoured the globe, and blackmailed and bribed everybody! Jesus Christ...

 

[jye4ever]

I enjoyed AoU as a MCU film but talk about a mess with a joke and I mean joke of a villian. Add awful scenes like at Hawkeye's secret house and oh forget it... yeah marvel gets a huge pass critically

Yeah there was some bad in AOU, but also some good.

Wait...sounds like BvS.

Tell me you didn't mean that..........................FR was a great and pleasant surprise

I'm really really really into Gibson being my one true Road Warrior.

Way too overhyped.

As time passes I enjoy it even less.

Even if Gibson had been in it I don't think I would've embraced it to be honest about it.

Iffy quality + Lois naked in a tub with her BF + 2 hrs 40 min = not gonna bother taking them. I'll catch it and probably enjoy it and that will be enough.

I'll wake him up when the Lois part arrives.

 

[loki2371]

The thing with people expecting Batman and Superman being aimed toward kids has been a problem for so long, it plagued 1989 Batman...don't get why, I mean it's probably due to some tie in stuff (some older cartoons pre-TAS and the never ending amount of toys) but it's ridiculous. Read the source material not to mention most of their parents probably were in shock of how bad Batman and Robin was despite them being the reason for that.

I've read and own 100's of Batman and Superman comics that I bought off the rack at cover price. I own every major story line/comic published from the early 80's thru 2000ish. Superman was almost always suitable for kids, Batman no. But if these were to cater to just hardcore adult fans, why do they shoot for PG-13 ratings? Money comes 1st. To make money, it must be accessible to everyone. The animated Batman, Superman and JLA shows are the best stuff DC has ever done. And they are not kiddie at all, yet kids can watch them.

 

[loki2371]

Hmm.... The majority of Batman stories are accessible to pre-teens (at least up until the last few years). And Superman? There are very, VERY few of those that I'd consider not all ages appropriate.

Maybe Batman films should warrant a PG-13.. But sorry- As a parent, Superman films should never be something I can't take my kids too. He is the definition of an all-ages character if there ever was one. Just my take on it.

Sallah

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I won't be getting the HT dollies

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Hmm.... The majority of Batman stories are accessible to pre-teens (at least up until the last few years). And Superman? There are very, VERY few of those that I'd consider not all ages appropriate.

Maybe Batman films should warrant a PG-13.. But sorry- As a parent, Superman films should never be something I can't take my kids too. He is the definition of an all-ages character if there ever was one. Just my take on it.

Sallah

 

[greygoose]

I won't be getting the HT dollies

Are you skipping the 1/6 figures and buying the 1:1 HT statue instead?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Are you skipping the 1/6 figures and buying the 1:1 HT statue instead?

I'm sure some stores or ...rich people with a lot of space will get those statues. I'm considering canceling the 6 inch Mafex BVS Batman figures.

 

[jye4ever]

I'm sure some stores or ...rich people with a lot of space will get those statues. I'm considering canceling the 6 inch Mafex BVS Batman figures.

You should, get the 6" Mezco along with the Mezco Batmobile instead!

 

[Khev]

When all is said and done I'll be shocked if BvS doesn't have a higher rewatch value for me than TDK and TDKR. Those are both good films (yes even TDKR) but I just don't ever find myself in the mood to actually watch them anymore. Of course I don't watch MOS either but still.

 

[jye4ever]

When all is said and done I'll be shocked if BvS doesn't have a higher rewatch value for me than TDK and TDKR. Those are both good films (yes even TDKR) but I just don't ever find myself in the mood to actually watch them. Of course I don't watch MOS either but still.

That's an excellent point.

I still get the BB/TDK itch though, they are just soooo good.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

That's an excellent point.

I still get the BB/TDK itch though, they are just soooo good.

I haven't watched either in years