Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[filip629]

I guess it won't surprise anyone to hear that "Bat is dead. Buried" scene was written by Goyer in the first draft and was also one of the first scenes filmed. I really wish they'd thought to re-write the dialog there and reshoot it. Wouldn't have been too hard. Oh well.

I must be the only one who likes that scene. When Bats asks him does he bleed and says he will...you just know Supes heard that with his super hearing as he's flying away and is annoyed as hell because Bats said it.

 

[Darkseed]

I thought Supes' death was a good move. It ends the controversy over whether he was a "worthy" hero or not because nothing is more heroic than the sacrifice play. If Supes' survived then the controversy would just be this big ongoing thing that would have worn thin had it carried into a third film. But he dies, the world finally "gets" him, and now we can move on to more good stuff.

Again goes to what is more important setting up future films or building character relationship with the audience IMO.... I'd suspect the reason many still hang onto CR version is because of that established "relationship" that was never created with Cavill. As a result, alot of folks don't relate to this Superman so his act of selflessness is pretty meh....who cares. Bring on the cool characters.....it isn't right or wrong simply a choice that was made that some folks dislike......

 

[jye4ever]

I get that that's their intention. He earns the world's love by sacrificing himself. I just don't like that as much as the alternative, that he is already a loved figure who then dies. But even the way they did it I think it could have been played better. Doomsday was just too shortlived, there was hardly any time for it to be apparent how big a threat he was. He would have been on the news for about 10 minutes. Superman's involvement in his defeat isn't even witnessed by anyone other than Lois, Batman and Wonder Woman.

Yeah but the army girl still thinks he's hawt.

a-dev always missing the bigger picture.

 

[Darkseed]

Yeah but the army girl still thinks he's hawt.

Supes true struggles on earth....do I stay committed to Lois....or become a man whore endulging in the sins of the flesh...or does he believe in sin....?

 

[IrishJedi]

I must be the only one who likes that scene. When Bats asks him does he bleed and says he will...you just know Supes heard that with his super hearing as he's flying away and is annoyed as hell because Bats said it.

I actually don't mind Batman's lines there at all. It's Superman's lines that don't work. Also, that scene was the perfect opportunity for each one to state his case to the other, but it was missed. Like I said.. Oh, well.

 

[Victοr]

Supes true struggles on earth....do I stay committed to Lois....or become a man whore endulging in the sins of the flesh...or does he believe in sin....?

One thing that always bugged me is how Superman, and for that matter folks like Thor or other such characters, are able to "bed" normal, human females. I mean, I get them kinda controlling their, uh, "thursting", but how do they control their, you know... Guess that's why Wonder Woman went for Clark in the New 52 and not Bruce...

 

[Darkseed]

One thing that always bugged me is how Superman, and for that matter folks like Thor or other such characters, are able to "bed" normal, human females. I mean, I get them kinda controlling their, uh, "thursting", but how do they control their, you know... Guess that's why Wonder Woman went for Clark in the New 52 and not Bruce...

Explains why the playboys are human (Stark, Wayne etc)...

 

[chewblacca]

And how did Batman fail him when the only thing he promised Superman was to keep his mom safe which he did.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

I don't hate it but I don't understand why it is so important that Batman be the one to assemble the Justice League. Certainly not so important that it's worth cramming Doomsday and Superman's death into the final 15 minutes of a Batman V Superman film when that really could have been a film all on its own.

 

[IrishJedi]

And how did Batman fail him when the only thing he promised Superman was to keep his mom safe which he did.

Because he never believed in him and only ever saw him as a threat and nothing else.

 

[bicoid18]

One thing that always bugged me is how Superman, and for that matter folks like Thor or other such characters, are able to "bed" normal, human females. I mean, I get them kinda controlling their, uh, "thursting", but how do they control their, you know... Guess that's why Wonder Woman went for Clark in the New 52 and not Bruce...

I used to be curious about that as well.
But this clip in New Adventures of Batman and Robin kind of explains it, at least for Superman's case.



As for the last part in BvS, I would love to see WB keep

Spoiler

Superman sidelined throughout most of JL part 1 and have Darkseid bring him back and brainwash him in the end. Then have JL part 2 deal with Supes leading Darkseid' s army to conquer Earth against the JL. Just take cues from the series finale from STAS. Then have MOS 2 deal with the aftermath. JL 3 could deal with the Tower of Babel/ Omac story similar to the failed Miller script.

 

[rushmore223]

BvS ruled the box office this weekend, both in international and domestic markets, bringing home an estimated $424.1 million worldwide. The record-breaking performance saw the film set a new domestic March opening weekend record and it also serves as the largest domestic opening for Warner Bros. ever. And while the clash of superhero titans was doing it's thing, Universal's counter-programming release in My Big Fat Greek Wedding 2 also performed well as did Roadside's Hello, My Name is Doris and Bleecker Street's Eye in the Sky.



With an estimated $170.1 million, Batman v Superman topped the March opening weekend record previously held by The Hunger Games at $152.5 million. Should estimates hold, and WB seems to be confident they will, this also tops the $169.1 million Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2 opened with in 2011, making it the largest domestic opening for the studio. This is also the largest Easter opening, topping the $147.1 million brought in by Furious 7 last year as well as the largest opening for a film based on a DC Comics property, a record previously held by The Dark Knight Rises at $160.8 million. But this weekend's records are one thing, how the film will hold up is another.



Heading into the weekend the swath of negative critical reviews were a major focus as the film now sits at a 29% rating on RottenTomatoes and no film with a rating lower than 63% on the site had ever opened over $150 million. Clearly Batman v Superman bucked that trend as it is now one of only five live action films to have ever grossed over $100 million on opening weekend with a RottenTomatoes rating lower than 30%. So does this say something about critics, about films with baked in audiences... or both?



From an audience perspective, Batman v Superman received a so-so "B" CinemaScore with a "B-" coming from males, which made up 62% of the audience, and "B" from females. Audience members under the age of 18, however, scored it an "A-", which brings our attention to next weekend. Recent films such as Avengers: Age of Ultron and Batman v Superman predecessor Man of Steel saw 59.4% and 64.6% second weekend drops respectively. It's also worth noting a large drop should be expected no matter what, if only because $27.7 million of Batman v Superman's opening came from Thursday previews.



From a historical perspective, a second weekend drop around 62% is a safe bet at this time, and anything better than 60% would show the film is holding well in the face of odds that would otherwise suggest it was in trouble over the long run. Speculation aside, it won't be until we see how far it drops that we can get a good grasp on just how big it may go, but its success doesn't rely wholly on its domestic prospects as it also got off to a very strong start overseas.



The film brought in an estimated $254 million internationally this weekend, giving it the fifth largest international opening weekend of all-time. The global opening of $424.1 million is the fourth largest of all-time. The breakdown by territory shows China leading the pack, delivering an estimated $57.3 million in its first three days, the largest opening ever for WB in China. Results from other territories include the UK ($21.9m), Mexico ($18.6m), Brazil ($12.2m), Korea ($10.5m), Australia ($10.0m), Russia ($8.5m), France ($8.4m), Germany ($8.2m), Spain ($6.3m), Italy ($5.8m) and Japan ($4.4m).



As will be the case domestically, how well the film performs next weekend in all these territories will be of vital importance when it comes to determining just how big a hit this will end up being. At this point, it looks as if Batman v Superman will become the 25th film to cross $1+ billion worldwide as The Hunger Games: Catching Fire is the only film to open with over $158 million domestically and not cross the $1 billion mark worldwide.

In all fairness though, this movie was going to open well no matter what. Just like TFA, it is pretty much review proof, at least for the first week or two.

 

[jye4ever]

In all fairness though, this movie was going to open well no matter what. Just like TFA, it is pretty much review proof, at least for the first week or two.

Somebody wanted this movie dead.

Has anyone seen Rory lately.....hmmmmm.

 

[rushmore223]

Even Batman and Robin opened making $2 million more than Batman 89 And only $3 million less than Batman Returns. As a matter of fact, the only (non animated) Batman movie to have a Less than stellar opening weekend was Batman Begins, especially when you consider that it's follow up opened to more than 3X BB's box office.

 

[Khev]

And how did Batman fail him when the only thing he promised Superman was to keep his mom safe which he did.

Batman's vendetta is why Luthor kidnapped and traumatized Martha in the first place. Luthor wanted Superman dead and he needed a guy capable of putting kryptonite weapons to good use. If Bruce hadn't been that guy then Martha wouldn't have been kidnapped, Batman and Superman could have teamed up sooner, possibly killing Doomsday without Superman having to die, etc.

 

[JAWS]

I am glad this is doing well.... I still would like someone else to direct the next films.. At least get some better writters. I really liked BvS but it could have been and should have been better IMO. I don't know maybe 3rd time will be the charm for Snyder and Co.

 

[jye4ever]

I'm liking the dynamics of Luthor's plan, it's driving people crazy.

 

[rushmore223]

Somebody wanted this movie dead.

Has anyone seen Rory lately.....hmmmmm.

Dead? No. I wanted a different director. I like Batman, he was my favorite of the super heroes growing up, and furthermore, I like being entertained, I don't wish for bad movies. I'll still see this movie, but I'll wait for video.

Saying the movie would open well no matter what, is also not a declaration of intent either, I'd have said the same thing about TFA, a movie I thought was great.

 

[Khev]

I get that that's their intention. He earns the world's love by sacrificing himself. I just don't like that as much as the alternative, that he is already a loved figure who then dies. But even the way they did it I think it could have been played better. Doomsday was just too shortlived, there was hardly any time for it to be apparent how big a threat he was. He would have been on the news for about 10 minutes. Superman's involvement in his defeat isn't even witnessed by anyone other than Lois, Batman and Wonder Woman.

I'm not saying that the way that they did it was the best way or the only good way, but I definitely thought it worked within the context of what they had to work with (namely having to follow the events of MOS.) There are two ways to have a poignant sacrifice at the end of a movie; a beloved hero (Steve Rogers crashing the plane) or a controversial hero that the other hero/heroes are iffy about (Uncle Bob.) Both work and I'm fine that they went the Uncle Bob route. Now Batman gets to nod in respect, go down that dark highway with a sense of hope, and so on.

 

[a-dev]

I too had trouble with the way Bruce suddenly started calling Superman a 'friend' and saying things like ''I failed him''.

Shouldn't Superman technically be considered as much to 'blame' for Doomsday as he was for Zod? As far as Batman was concerned Superman ''brought the war'' to Earth in MOS. Similarly Doomsday wouldn't have happened if not for the Kryptonian's on Earth. So, what, he suddenly see Superman as an ally just because he personally witnesses Superman fighting Doomsday? Was it not clear that he was fighting against Zod in the events of MOS? Possible inconsistency there.

I understand the realisation that Superman has an earth mother tugging at Batman's heartstrings but I'm not sure there was enough additional things in Supes favour to sway Batman to that degree - considering how strongly he had felt before that Superman needed to die.