Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

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Maybe part of the problem is we do put Batman and Superman on such a pedestal, we hold their movies to a higher standard and when they don't meet those standards they seem 'worse' than a film like Ant Man, about which fewer ***ks are given up front.
Def not in my case.
If the movie is good or has more pros than cons then I'm fine, even if doesn't follow the core principles of a beloved character.
I still hate MoS because it was a very pointless reboot and a mediocre film at best.

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that would have been cool because he could have killed superman but just escape and it would have been the same ending. there would be no need for superman to murder all over again and they could bring him back with all the spikes too
Yep. I'd make much more sense NOT to kill Doomsday during his first apperance and let him build some character for a future one-on-one showdown. As much as I love all Batman related CB references in this film... Superman references felt out of place, especially "The Death of Superman" one.
 
Had to be a spear.

Jesus yo!

OMG...I didn't see that :lol WB needs to stop that Superman is Jesus allegory. I think that turns people off...and it's not like he's very compassionate. He literally killed a guy as soon as the film starts...put him through a concrete wall. The worst part was Sups face before doing it. He had a sadistic look in his eyes...which he never got rid of in that whole film, until Batman with his Gandalf stick was about to kill him.
 
It's viseral, but hundreds of Kryponite pellets to the face from a sawed off Shotgun would work just as well. Since this Batman has no aversion to guns.....

Yeah, a simple gun shot as soon as Sups arrives....but no, he puts the stick as far away from him, to lure Sups into the worst trap ever, which involves a kitchen sink :lol Also, Sups has X Ray vision...and he NEVER uses it in this film....you'd think after the Washington bomb, he would start using it, especially when facing someone who wants to kill him. :slap
 
If you prefer the visual of a Batman wielding a Kryptonite shotgun that's find, but again, what if he missed? There's no getting that buckshot back. If he misses with the spear he can just strike again.

What if Superman dodged the gas pellets? It's kind of the same argument. The point was to wound Superman enough to wear the kill shot was never in any doubt. A spear was dramatic, yes. But not the smartest weapon to fashion, IMO. That's all I'm saying.
 
What else was there to make besides a spear though? I don't have a problem with it.

Kryptonite bullets that won't penetrate his skin (hence the spray)? A kryptonite bomb that would kill Batman too? A kryptonite blade?
 
Yeah, a simple gun shot as soon as Sups arrives....but no, he puts the stick as far away from him, to lure Sups into the worst trap ever, which involves a kitchen sink :lol

Ugh, he threw everything at him "including the kitchen sink"!!

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What else was there to make besides a spear though? I don't have a problem with it.

Kryptonite bullets that won't penetrate his skin (hence the spray)? A kryptonite bomb that would kill Batman too? A kryptonite blade?

Kryptonite bullets have always been shown to penetrate Supermans skin. Lex even explained it near the beginning. The rock immediately begins to break down the cellular bonds in Kryptonian physiology.
 
Kryptonite bullets have always been shown to penetrate Supermans skin. Lex even explained it near the beginning. The rock immediately begins to break down the cellular bond of Kryptonian physiology.

That's true. That's how he was able to cut off Zod's fingerprints... and fool the alien ship with advance technology? :lol I'm not sure that simple trick works on a human made fingerprint scanner :lol
 
I thought he used the sink since he ruined the plating in his fists when he punched Superman in the face who was visibly regaining his strength.
 
That's true. That's how he was able to cut off Zod's fingerprints... and fool the alien ship with advance technology? :lol I'm not sure that simple trick works on a human made finger scanner :lol

Haha, yea. I would've really enjoyed seeing Lex flex his brain muscles and really crack that Kryptonian security protocol, but.....
 
Kryptonite bullets have always been shown to penetrate Supermans skin. Lex even explained it near the beginning. The rock immediately begins to break down the cellular bonds in Kryptonian physiology.

Then why didn't the Kryptonite laced bullets/pellets/spray penetrate his body when they hit him?
 
I thought he used the sink since he ruined the plating in his fists when he punched Superman in the face who was visibly regaining his strength.

IMO, I think him stomping on The back of Supes head with his full weight and metal spiked boots would've been more impactful, but the sink thing was funny.
 
Had to be a spear.

Jesus yo!

Eh, IDK Jye. I'm seeing this Supes=Jesus thing everywhere, but if you connect the dots, it has a lot more to do with myth then religion.

For Example..

Krypto-spear is Excalibur
-Batman’s Holy Grail is his search of justice
-batman be killing people, just like Arthur he lost his sight on his purpose
-his knights of the round table (the justice league) helps him get back on track.
-the begining of the movie, the Wayne's are leaving a showing of 'Excalibur"
-the 1981 movie Excalibur features a protagonist wearing heavy duty "knights" armor. and is told through many "dream sequences"
-Krypto spear is impaled in a rock then tossed in water just like Excalibur.

There's a lot more too, I just don't feel like typing today. :lol

People might think this flick is a 50/50 split between supes and bats, but it's actually at heart a batman movie.
 
IMO, I think him stomping on The back of Supes head with his full weight and metal spiked boots would've been more impactful, but the sink thing was funny.


Yeah, I agree with that. There a ton of things I'd do differently. I can see why they throw in those silly elements though as to not make it too brutal I guess.


I wish Batman and Superman got bloodied up after the fight though. I mean hell, Superman only had one scratch on him. By the time they go up against Doomsday, they're both completely clean.
 
Its a movie I can hate, but its a more frustrating movie on what could have been, which is a shame. The movie was to busy trying to shove it in your face (we are making sequel after sequel) instead of trying to be its own stand alone sequel. They blew their load on the second movie with superman, how many storylines can be topped with what happened with superman? so much is rushed, villains motives like Lex made no sense that you are scratching your head. Batman killing and lack of depth on why he does kill is a huge deal, Batman killing should be the biggest thing that is highlighted in this film, not odd hints here and there. We hear bits on Batman's 20 years of fighting, how aliens can change good men, hints on why robin was murdered, but I want more on why the Batman is murdering and hey branding people.

The biggest problem on why this film collapses in on itself - BVS were too busy setting stuff instead of trying to be a good stand alone film, which makes this such a frustrating experience. Winter soldier is standard of not setting stuff up, and they threw the movie under the bus for future movies, and the final act really collapsed in on itself

Positives? Batman was great despite only hints dropped on his past, for me I still think Bale's Batman is better fleshed out and written, but Ben has to help carry the weight of a film to heavy to carry and its messy, and its a film burning candle at both ends, Ben needs his stand alone film so I can fully judge his Batman/Bruce. Alfred for me was the best character in the film which I wanted more from him. The first 10 minutes of Bruce giving us the window of seeing his point of view has Zod and Superman rip apart the city give me goosebumps, it was epic from the score, to all the chaos going around Bruce. I liked the political aspect of the film, fighting for power, humans helpless in seeing something so powerful they cannot control, that one individual could wipe out an entire planet with his bare hands. If they stayed within the story line of the political aspect, the Batman and Superman story-line, we may have had one very well made film

I feared this film would be DC's Iron Man 2 slash spiderman 3, and that is exactly what I got

Overall I enjoyed MOS more, because it was being its own movie, not too busy setting stuff up.
 
One thing that I haven't noticed any praise for is the fact that for the first time in live-action since the 1966 film Batman/Bruce has been presented without a love interest. I believe I saw mention of those wishing the Nolan trilogy hadn't gone that route and just "let him be Batman." I thought it was cool to see the most single purposed live-action Batman yet.
 
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