Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[crows]

I'm sorry but the batmobile scene was totally joyfully fun. The batman warehouse scene (while yes set-up with the really creepy saving Martha scenario) was straight-up fun, every move batman did had people laughing and oohing and ahhing. And same goes for the finale fight

So 3 scenes out of a two hour movie.

Watchmen also had action scenes. But does a couple of action scenes make a movie "fun"
Or does that just make it a grim movie with fun action scenes here and there?

Would u call dr Manhattan's monologues or Rorschach's monologues fun?

Actually it makes me wonder, would u guys consider dark knight rises a "fun " movie? I'm not asking sarcastically, I'm asking seriously, is rises something to be considered fun overall?
Or does the end having action makes rises fun overall?

I don't think fun was ever an issue with rises here in the board.
I don't remember anyone ever defending rises for being fun
( or defending watchmen as a fun movie)

If action scenes make a movie fun? Does that make something like predator or terminator fun? I never really thought of predator or terminator as fun movies though. They are entertaining but still very suspenseful.
Specially terminator

Regardless of plot, do action scenes make up for a suspenseful plot in regards to fun?

 

[IrishJedi]

Would u call dr Manhattan's monologues or Rorschach's monologues fun?

No. I call them AWESOME.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

So 3 scenes out of a two hour movie.

Watchmen also had action scenes. But does a couple of action scenes make a movie "fun"
Or does that just make it a grim movie with fun action scenes here and there?

Would u call dr Manhattan's monologues or Rorschach's monologues fun?

Actually it makes me wonder, would u guys consider dark knight rises a "fun " movie? I'm not asking sarcastically, I'm asking seriously, is rises something to be considered fun overall?
Or does the end having action makes rises fun overall?

I don't think fun was ever an issue with rises here in the board.
I don't remember anyone ever defending rises for being fun
( or defending watchmen as a fun movie)

If action scenes make a movie fun? Does that make something like predator or terminator fun? I never really thought of predator or terminator as fun movies though. They are entertaining but still very suspenseful.
Specially terminator

Regardless of plot, do action scenes make up for a suspenseful plot in regards to fun?

I wouldn't call any of the Nolan Batman films fun, but both The Dark Knight Rises and Batman Begins end on a positive note, and although his films were dark and lacked humor, there was always a sense of optimism, which is one of the things that made his Batman films and his Batman character enjoyable to watch, despite them being so serious and dark. I didn't get that from BVS.

 

[Ropen]

TFA theatrical trailers never showed us who was flying the Falcon on Jakku, never showed us a single moment inside Han's Freighter, never showed us any interior scenes in Starkiller Base. It didn't even reveal that Rey was going to be involved in the Finn/Kylo duel.

TDK never showed us one moment with regard to the ferries or any of the battle in the incomplete skyscraper (other than "Here..we..go..") nor did it show anything of the final showdown with Dent.

BvS should have been all about the supposed battle with Batman and Superman and nothing else. Shouldn't have shown the warehouse fight, WW in costume, Doomsday. They don't even have the excuse of "but they were building an entire universe off of this film so they had to show their hand to ensure people came" because Disney was banking their entire $4 *BILLION* investment on TFA doing well and *they* didn't reveal everything.

I'm so excited for Suicide Squad that I'm tempted to ignore all future trailers and TV spots from here on out. It's the only way to be sure.

I was thinking about this earlier today and Khev's post and I came to the conclusion that in all reality DC knew what they had and realized the movie sucked so they went with the whole reveal everything just because it was the only way audiences would want to see this rather than build up tension...

In all reality we need this type of games with MCU and DCEU and settle everyone's frustration about this

 

[crows]

No. I call them AWESOME.

Well they were pretty awesome.
Rorschach is one of the greatest comic characters made into a movie. Snyder has a really great eye for dark characters (look at how well leonidas was)
300 IS more of a fun movie though, not because of the action but because of the attitude of the Spartans had and the way they talked to each other. As well as the fantastical aspects like the crazy creatures they had. 300 was very fantastical and super stylized

I just don't think that grim kind of take works for superman. Specially when u add batman into the mix,
I ignored the grim version of superman for man of steel and gave it a pass just because I expected superman to get more lighter and hopeful in this.

 

[EVILFACE]

My favorite Zack trailer is still the original WATCHMEN one:


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I can't stand Smashing Pumpkins or the ego and voice of Billy Corgan, but that song made the trailer. Great trailer. And the 'god help us all' pause.

 

[greygoose]

All this last page has done is make me want to watch se7en and Watchmen again.

And there's nothing fun about TDKR, it's a decent film but it's so depressing.

 

[crows]

I wouldn't call any of the Nolan Batman films fun, but both The Dark Knight Rises and Batman Begins end on a positive note, and although his films were dark and lacked humor, there was always a sense of optimism, which is one of the things that made his Batman films and his Batman character enjoyable, despite them being so serious and dark. I didn't get that from BVS.

This makes sense. Makes a lot of sense. I agree that bvs doesn't give u any feelings of hope (which is ironic for a movie of a guy that literally has hope on his chest)

I know people really want to defend this but I am not sure why "fun" was something people are choosing as a defense for bvs.
That's kind of weird because Nolan movies were never defended as "fun" (not even intothevoid tried that defense )
There were a lot of fights about rises but I never saw any arguments about it.

This movie was not fun or hopeful and that's fine, it shouldn't be defended for things it wasn't

 

[bboy]

So 3 scenes out of a two hour movie.

Watchmen also had action scenes. But does a couple of action scenes make a movie "fun"
Or does that just make it a grim movie with fun action scenes here and there?

Would u call dr Manhattan's monologues or Rorschach's monologues fun?

Actually it makes me wonder, would u guys consider dark knight rises a "fun " movie? I'm not asking sarcastically, I'm asking seriously, is rises something to be considered fun overall?
Or does the end having action makes rises fun overall?

I don't think fun was ever an issue with rises here in the board.
I don't remember anyone ever defending rises for being fun
( or defending watchmen as a fun movie)

If action scenes make a movie fun? Does that make something like predator or terminator fun? I never really thought of predator or terminator as fun movies though. They are entertaining but still very suspenseful.
Specially terminator

Regardless of plot, do action scenes make up for a suspenseful plot in regards to fun?

Idk, for me BVS those three scenes weren't the only fun parts. Discovering the justice league (I can see how some thought it was lazy, but I loved it while laughing at it), Discovering the kryptonite (wasn't overly explained and then was stolen by batman!), Lex's music (loved it.. classic villainy music), and wonderwoman being the mysterious femme fatale (epic fun theme song as well). I'm sure I could come up with bunch more.

In regards to your question I just don't know haha. I think terminator and predator are more horror movies (yes horror can be fun but these were more straight up horror movies). Terminator 2? yes fun, joyful and fun. Watchmen is very political and more of a drama ensemble movie ( BVS wasn't even close to this level, the only political point in BVS was "is Superman good or bad" which the movie sort of over complicates, but its a very simple plot). As for TDKR, yes I think it is very fun and in no way can be compared to watchmen. But deep down I hate really long movies so that always drags down the fun factor of these movies. It is a very strange question to try to answer I couldn't really nail my point down.

 

[e30ernest]

LOL saw this on my G+ feed, someone asking if the BvS fight was better than this.

 

[Victοr]

I wouldn't call any of the Nolan Batman films fun, but both The Dark Knight Rises and Batman Begins end on a positive note, and although his films were dark and lacked humor, there was always a sense of optimism, which is one of the things that made his Batman films and his Batman character enjoyable, despite them being so serious and dark. I didn't get that from BVS.

I'd say that Batman gets some sort of different POV in the end. Sure, it's just there for him to assemble the Justice League, but eh, I can kinda see it. I don't think it makes much sense in the contaxt of it all, but it's a "logical" progression from Point A to Point B. It's not an optimistic ending, but it's not a pessimistic one either. It's somewhere in the middle for me.

As I've said already, when the critics say "fun", I think they mean "enjoyable". Why? It varies from person to person, and we've gone over this already. But I don't think anybody went in there expecting Spider-Man level jokes. They just expected something a bit less gloomy and nihilistic. You can use the argument that these are the heroes of today but nah, I don't buy it. Life is a ***** sometimes , yeah, and I've had my fair share of misfortunes (deaths, accidents, illnesses and others), but I don't lose "hope". Since Batman is at his lowest and personifies this feeling of powerlessness, Superman should've been the beacon of light, especially now. Especially now that everything's going to hell, Superman has a bigger reason to be the "light" to Batman's darkness. In a way, they kinda did that, but it just didn't satisfy me.

 

[greygoose]

This makes sense. Makes a lot of sense. I agree that bvs doesn't give u any feelings of hope (which is ironic for a movie of a guy that literally has hope on his chest)

I know people really want to defend this but I am not sure why "fun" was something people are choosing as a defense for bvs.
That's kind of weird because Nolan movies were never defended as "fun" (not even intothevoid tried that defense )
There were a lot of fights about rises but I never saw any arguments about it.

This movie was not fun or hopeful and that's fine, it shouldn't be defended for things it wasn't

WW reveal.
WW v DD
Batman in the warehouse
Batman beating Superman up...

There was 'fun'/excitement in watching those scenes.

 

[LexiKon318]

Loved the moment during the BvS fight when Batman was wailing on Supes and then suddenly punching him in the face had no effect haha


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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Batman beating Superman up...

I felt bad for "Hope"-man in that sequence...plus I found the fight underwhelming. I liked the final fight against DD though.

 

[bboy]

Love reading everyone's opinions. I never thought of TDKR depressing, I always found it hugely uplifting and optimistic. On repeat viewings it doesn't hold up as well but batman making that jump with the bats flying out and zimmers music was great fun and a huge "hero" moment.

 

[karamazov80]

I can't stand Smashing Pumpkins

*adds Evilface to the Ignore list*

 

[Victοr]

I felt bad for "Hope"-man in that sequence...plus I found the fight underwhelming. I liked the final fight against DD though.

Well, as Batman and Moon Knight fan (and this Batman felt like watching Moon Knight dressed up as him), I was smilling from start to finish. I "admire" the Big Blue Boy Scout, but as a "non fan", I was internally cheering "Give me a B, give me an A, and T-M-A with an N for the end"!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Well, as Batman and Moon Knight fan (and this Batman felt like watching Moon Knight dressed up as him), I was smilling from start to finish. I "admire" the Big Blue Boy Scout, but as a "non fan", I was internally cheering "Give me a B, give me an A, and T-M-A with an N for the end"!

Me...internally

 

[Victοr]

Me...internally

Screw that! Moon Bat (that's what I'm calling him now!) should have taken his Kryptonite Batarang and carved a bat in his forehead, ala Daredevil. If you start something, you best damn finish it!

 

[Khev]

And that's a function of [Doomsday] being shoehorned into the very end of a long movie,

To me this is a very odd criticism. If you have Lex Luthor as the bad guy in a movie but no one who can actually withstand a punch from one of the heroes then you're going to have something like the finale of Superman Returns. If you say "well then Superman and Batman should have been the main fight" then I don't see how to good guys going at it then shaking hands would be climactic or satisfying enough. Even if you kept the "save Martha" thing and had Batman fighting off thugs while Superman takes Lex to the cops, again, pretty anticlimactic after two titans like Superman and Batman brawled.

Doomsday's (or some equivalent baddy) inclusion was absolutely necessary IMO. Now if you don't like superhero movies to end with big fights between good and bad guys and prefer Superman lifting islands or Batman just falling off a ledge with Two-Face that's fine, obviously you're going to scoff at something like BvS. But I still remember back in 2006 watching Superman Returns in the theater and being giddy to see what Lex was going to do with the Krypton shards because I assumed that he'd somehow create some monster for Superman to fight. And then he didn't. And then Superman lifted an island into space. And the movie ended. Lame.

I see no difference between Doomsday's final act appearance and the Stay Puft Marshmellow Man appearing out of the blue at the end of Ghostbusters, or the Alien Queen showing up in the final 20 minutes of ALIENS, or Maleficent suddenly becoming a dragon or the T-800 suddenly becoming a stop-motion robot. All films that feature a climax with a completely different visual (and often character like Stay Puft, the Queen, etc.) than what we had seen at any point before the climax. That's COOL. I like it when movies do that. It doesn't make a villain "shoehorned" into the plot it makes for a fun and surprising (if the bloody trailers don't spoil it) final fight.

Now you can say "Well I didn't like Doomsday. He wasn't as cool as the ALIEN Queen or any of those other final act bad guys." And that's fine. But once again they're either going to fight Luthor himself (which would be stupid and last half a second) or Luthor's going to need some sort of muscle bound proxy to fight for him. Enter Doomsday.