Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[bboy]

The Saw franchise is the MOST FUN you'll have at the movies!
Saw movies are fun fun fuuuun for the whole family!!!!!!!!! Saw is a good birthday movie to watch with friends ( or to watch in new years eve)

I also love watching se7en and silence of the lambs as fun movies to just have fun.

So yeah, this could be fun that way lol.

well yeah saw is torture **** and seven is a crime thriller. I still think BVS is a big superhero beat em up with a cheesey villain and basically a+b=c plot. The most interesting thing about all of this is the Civil War trailer playing before BVS movie and having a very similar plot and looking very serious and unjoyful. I swear I could hear people rolling their eyes. I understand comic book fans are all hyped, but people who don't know anything really think they are copying BVS. My sister turned to me after the trailer and said something along the lines of "really, another one?"

* not to mention the avengers have been fighting each other in almost every movie since the beginning

 

[IrishJedi]

Yeah, are we really comparing the darker tone of BvS to SAW and SE7EN?

 

[crows]

You'll be happy to hear that Goyer is gone. He's been gone since the first shooting draft of BvS. JUSTICE LEAGUE has been scripted entirely by Terrio. Goyer wasn't even involved in the story meetings for that. It was Zack, Terrio and Affleck (and Geoff Johns a couple of times, I believe). If Goyer gets a credit at all on JL it'll be because of some contractual or legal thing.

Who was credited for the BvS script? I felt that was probably the main thing holding the movie back. I was extremely surprised how messy the plot was considering they for Terrio and held the movie back a year.

I still highly enjoyed it even with its flaws

Goyer wrote the first draft or two (based on a basic story idea by him and Zack). Then he left the project when Chris Terrio came in to handle rewrites and subsequent drafts. Both are credited.


Yeah, you can imagine the frustration among Zack and his team. WB continually shoots down ideas (like a post-credits stingers) because "that's what Marvel does", then their own crack team in Marketing does what Marvel does and blows the shot of the heroes all together in a trailer.

Sometimes I do wonder if those rewrites were a good or bad idea,
I mean sure goyer sucks, and a lot of people place the blame on him.

Also I was rooting for the rewrites, but it makes me wonder if rewriting it is what hurt it
Maybe the goyer version was more clear and more consistent,
I can't believe I'm saying this but I do wonder if maybe it would have been better if there were never any changes.

Maybe the rewrites were the time where unnecessary things were added.

 

[e30ernest]

well yeah saw is torture **** and seven is a crime thriller. I still think BVS is a big superhero beat em up with a cheesey villain and basically a+b=c plot. The most interesting thing about all of this is the Civil War trailer playing before BVS movie and having a very similar plot and looking very serious and unjoyful. I swear I could hear people rolling their eyes. I understand comic book fans are all hyped, but people who don't know anything really think they are copying BVS. My sister turned to me after the trailer and said something along the lines of "really, another one?"

* not to mention the avengers have been fighting each other in almost every movie since the beginning

I was actually wondering if DC/WB released BvS (skipping the backstory for the other chars) to preempt Civil War.

TBH though, if Civil War ends up making more than a Batman and Superman film, then Marvel would have gone a really long way.

 

[bboy]

I was actually wondering if DC/WB released BvS (skipping the backstory for the other chars) to preempt Civil War.

TBH though, if Civil War ends up making more than a Batman and Superman film, then Marvel would have gone a really long way.

I don't even think there is competition. Parents will quickly bring their kids to marvel movie based on past movies where as it is the opposite for a batman movie (based on the Nolan movies).

 

[IrishJedi]

I was actually wondering if DC/WB released BvS (skipping the backstory for the other chars) to preempt Civil War.

No, when WB moved BvS from 2015 and settled on the March 2016 release date CIVIL WAR was only known to be CAPTAIN AMERICA 3. And they actually had the same release date for a week or two, before Disney/Marvel moved CW to May.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

My favorite Zack trailer is still the original WATCHMEN one.

300

 

[greygoose]

I don't even think there is competition. Parents will quickly bring their kids to marvel movie based on past movies where as it is the opposite for a batman movie (based on the Nolan movies).

Putting Spider-Man in the trailer just added some more $$$ to CW's box office. The CW trailer was infront of BvS and some kid shouted out in joy when Spidey showed up. That's the way Marvel is though, their movies are more family friendly even if the CW trailer gives off a more dramatic vibe. Imagine Spidey popping up during the Batman-Superman fight!

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Yeah, I wondered if Lex' blood diluted his invulnerability somewhat. I did have the "Death of Superman" issue way back when. Didn't Supes and Doomsday just kill each other by doing simultaneous uppercuts or something stupid like that? I do prefer the Thorin/Azog deaths that they had in BvS.

Superman was poisoned with kryptonite

 

[karamazov80]

Putting Spider-Man in the trailer just added some more $$$ to CW's box office. The CW trailer was infront of BvS and some kid shouted out in joy when Spidey showed up. That's the way Marvel is though, their movies are more family friendly even if the CW trailer gives off a more dramatic vibe. Imagine Spidey popping up during the Batman-Superman fight!

 

[Gully Foyle]

It's left to interpret, but it is indeed Man-Bat.

I interpreted it to be Gary Oldman's suit from Coppola's Dracula:

Snyder can whip up a dark desaturated stew, but his ingredients come from better chefs.

There was a lot of deep &$@$ going on in this movie however I think a lot of people missed it.
And then the painting being turned upside down where the demons are now coming from above instead of below, basically representing the foretelling Darkseid's parademons coming to earth was ingenious.

If by "&$@$" you mean "cheese" and by "ingenious" you mean "obvious," then I'd agree.

DC is playing catch-up and they threw in A LOT to set things up for Justice League.

Yep. DCCU hurriedly copied Marvel's homework in the hallway before class and managed to squeak out a C minus.
But they have yet to put in the time & effort to do their own homework and earn an "A"

I'm not gonna say anyone was fired or anything, but the team that put that trailer together will not be doing it for any more of these movies.

Yet the WB execs who approved that trailer for release probably got raises.

You fire the engineer who approved the plans, not the workers who followed them.

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[bboy]

a little more subtlety with the painting and the Martha thing would have been nice. Who knows? maybe people wouldn't understand it if it wasn't forced down our throats.

 

[bboy]

the first time seeing the opening flash back I kept thinking why in the hell would Thomas say "Marrthhhaaa" with his dying breath meanwhile his poor son is standing there not knowing what to do. Which later, obviously Martha became a major plot point. But they again felt the need for a flash back to the headstone

 

[crows]

well yeah saw is torture **** and seven is a crime thriller. I still think BVS is a big superhero beat em up with a cheesey villain and basically a+b=c plot. The most interesting thing about all of this is the Civil War trailer playing before BVS movie and having a very similar plot and looking very serious and unjoyful. I swear I could hear people rolling their eyes. I understand comic book fans are all hyped, but people who don't know anything really think they are copying BVS. My sister turned to me after the trailer and said something along the lines of "really, another one?"

* not to mention the avengers have been fighting each other in almost every movie since the beginning

Yeah, are we really comparing the darker tone of BvS to SAW and SE7EN?

Ok just hear me out,
You guys are only thinking of the gore aspects of the movies right?

Take out the gore aspect, (obviously) take out the blood and the scary parts, the torture aspect

But leave the cop stuff, leave the dark serious detective stuff and leave the moody suspenseful tone to it and yeah, I do honestly feel like I was watching the non gory parts of se7en or saw In some parts of the movie. The cop parts of both, (the detective stuff on both movies is very similar)
This movie has grim aspects to it that felt Way too dark for a superman movie, the fact that none of the characters seem to have any joy in se7en or saw, no one seems to feel any happiness, but the characters feel to always be on edge and always depressed and moody. This movie made me feel like that a little.
That grim tone works well for something like spawn or punisher or..... WATCHMEN.....which ironically felt like se7en or saw (the non gory parts) whenever Rorschach was on screen.......

It's funny how that was something I loved of watchmen and Rorschach, how Rorschach parts of the movie were dark and serious like that,
But that just didn't work for me here.
That can work for batman by himself.

You would not say Rorschach was FUN.............. Right? You wouldn't call the Dr Manhattan parts of watchmen .... Fun....... No?

I understand people liking this movie but I do cringe a little when i hear " fun" being used for this.
The only kinda fun part was at the very end with wonder woman showing up.
The doomsday fight was fun.

Everyone in this movie always seems to have a grim attitude towards everything. (just like the characters of watchmen did)
I know dark knight returns is far too but that's why superman being lighter was so important.
To work as a contrast,
There was no contrast here.

 

[karamazov80]

maybe people wouldn't understand it if it wasn't forced down our throats.

Yet they also included the dream sequence stuff, which was totally baffling on some levels. Surrealist stuff that was the opposite of forcing something down your throat. Which, again, facilitated the jumbled, unfocused nature of the final product. One approach or the other can work, but when your brain expects one thing but gets pulled in a totally different direction, it makes a film much harder to really "get" IMO. If I go into a David Lynch movie and expect something paint-by-the-numbers from Brett Ratner, I'm bound to have some cognitive difficulties as the movie progresses.

 

[bboy]

I'm sorry but the batmobile scene was totally joyfully fun. The batman warehouse scene (while yes set-up with the really creepy saving Martha scenario) was straight-up fun, every move batman did had people laughing and oohing and ahhing. And same goes for the finale fight

 

[bboy]

Yet they also included the dream sequence stuff, which was totally baffling on some levels. Surrealist stuff that was the opposite of forcing something down your throat. Which, again, facilitated the jumbled, unfocused nature of the final product. One approach or the other can work, but when your brain expects one thing but gets pulled in a totally different direction, it makes a film much harder to really "get" IMO. If I go into a David Lynch movie and expect something paint-by-the-numbers from Brett Ratner, I'm bound to have some cognitive difficulties as the movie progresses.

yeah I found this interesting too. But on my first viewing it flowed pretty well for me, even the knightmare sequence I immediately assumed it was some form of future or alternate reality where the phrase Batman V Superman had taken on a much bigger meaning. I even thought the Martha stuff was done well. Then on repeated viewing I coudnt take how force fed the Martha stuff was. Even though I still think it was the perfect way to end the fight between them. It seemed to fit batman as a character very well.

 

[I Am Toys]

If by "&$@$" you mean "cheese" and by "ingenious" you mean "obvious," then I'd agree.






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I like how this is the only part of my post that you quoted and ignored the rest. Lol. Nice try. It's may have been obvious to people like me and you who read comics (I'm assuming you do), however it wasn't so obvious to others. That scene was meant for people like us, almost an Easter Egg if you will, which I was grateful for, and Lex's explanation of this painting was what made it even more intriguing, when considering what is on the horizon. So yeah, even though it may have been obvious to me or you, I definitely thought the delivery was clever imo. You obviously hated this movie anyway, so not sure why you even commented. Lol.

 

[greygoose]

That was miles better!

 

[bboy]

Also the first half of the movie is pretty much centered on clark and bruce which I thought was a brave move. And their scenes were also fun in their own ways (bruce meeting Diana, bruce bantering with Alfred, clark at the newspaper, clark and lois in the tub)