Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

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That's pretty much anything and everything that doesn't have to do with Jesus and has in-your-face Christian imagery.

Yep, one's a forbidden abomination, the other one's a product of incest so, another forbidden abomination.


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exactly, I'm guessing it's because it's what people are familiar with, so they act as if religion is high brow. :lol

BvS really has some spectacular layers once you start peeling the onion. People just can't get past RT and make decisions for themselves anymore. :lol
 
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exactly, I'm guessing it's because it's what people are familiar with, so they act as if religion is high brow. :lol

BvS really has some spectacular layers once you start peeling the onion. People just can't get past RT and make decisions for themselves anymore. :lol
I'm starting to think Snyder does it on purpose, he looks like this EXTREME BRO but he's a sneaky artist, so he distracts and filters out the plebs with RELIGION BRO SO DEEP WOAH so they're easier to spot, but still leaves the real stuff for us to find.

Can't wait until his movies start to speak about the Illuminati and our Jewish overlords and they suicide him for whistle blowing.

Just kidding n,n long live Snyder.
 
BvS too deep for most of you:lol- those who get mad because it makes little sense to the cut and paste superhero movies that glut the genre...
 
Allegories or metaphors have very little to do with good storytelling though. It becomes pointless, when the story is boring, and focuses on characters like Lois Lane. :monkey4 Ultimately, it's a filmmaker's job to tell a good story, and Snyder isn't very good at it...it seems. Flash showing up in some time or interdimensional travel to tell Bruce something while he was dreaming (maybe) with no prior introduction to the concept of time travel in that universe it lazy as ****, and confusing for the general audience who had no idea who the bearded guy in a red metal suit was... :lol
 
Couldn't disagree more. If anything, they help to add depth and meaning.

Like I said in the part you edited out, it becomes pointless if the overall story isn't compelling or entertaining. Any deep meaning or layers that may have been added to a scene as a reference or allegory to a source material or historical even becomes just a failed experiment, IMO.

It's like "meaningful" subtext in a scene where the dialogue and acting sucks, the attempt at substance might be there on many levels that are obvious or not so easily accessible to the audience, but the superficial bad elements makes it difficult to find the subtext interesting, thus it becomes meaningless to some people.
 
i think it just comes down to taste, to some it may be boring, to others interesting.

Yeah, some people find enjoyment in seeing references to ancient tales or historical allegories, and they appreciated, but others just want an entertaining story with characters that they can connect with on some level. Great films usually manage to have a well told, paced, edited and entertaining superficial story while having the other layers and subtext. IMO, BVS only accomplished the latter of the two. I think MOS did a better job balancing the two.
 
,but the superficial bad elements makes it difficult to find the subtext interesting, thus it becomes meaningless to some people.

The last part you said is quite right - if someone isn't enjoying something then they are very unlikely to find its hidden meaning or metaphors.

Shame, really - there is lots to analyse and discover. (I'm very aware of this film's problems and I'm not trying to defend it)

 
I was wondering how long before the "y-yeah I noticed that stuff too, but it doesn't fix the movie"

Allegories or metaphors have very little to do with good storytelling though. It becomes pointless, when the story is boring, and focuses on characters like Lois Lane.
It isn't though, the story is there and the characters are there and are good, in fact much better than the Marvel and Star Wars movies that have been so acclaimed this past year, all of them.

Ultimately, it's a filmmaker's job to tell a good story, and Snyder isn't very good at it...it seems.
That's the meme that's been pushed, fortunately, there are people who can discern better.

Flash showing up in some time or interdimensional travel to tell Bruce something while he was dreaming (maybe) with no prior introduction to the concept of time travel in that universe it lazy as ****, and confusing for the general audience who had no idea who the bearded guy in a red metal suit was...
You need to introduce time travel now? Yeah the general audience had no idea how he was, that left them confused, and that's ok, if the straight forward story of the movie left them confused then I expected no less, but it's not the storyteller's fault.

The flash's identity is irrelevant, it was just a dude warning him from the future.
 
It isn't though, the story is there and the characters are there and are good, in fact much better than the Marvel and Star Wars movies that have been so acclaimed this past year, all of them.

It's subjective. The story is there...literally, but some find it boring. The characters are there, some don't like how they were used in the story. Is it better than the MCU and SW films this year? I don't know. There's no way to factually determine if something is better, but clearly a lot of people didn't enjoy the film. I didn't, and I consider MOS the best Sups so far.



You need to introduce time travel now? Yeah the general audience had no idea how he was, that left them confused, and that's ok, if the straight forward story of the movie left them confused then I expected no less, but it's not the storyteller's fault.

The flash's identity is irrelevant, it was just a dude warning him from the future.

Building blocks. The same reason the MCU didn't release Iron Man and then GOTG with Thanos and a talking Raccoon. There is only one DC film prior to BVS, about an alien on earth, MOS. That's the world the audience knows going into BVS. Batman is a human who sees an alien as a threat, we can understand that because the humans in MOS had never encounter such a phenomenon and some didn't trust Sups. That's well established and specific to this universe, as opposed to people loving Sups in the Reeve films.

So, in a film that deals with these two elements, all of a sudden, a man shows up from the future (supposedly) in what could be a dream or a vision, with no prior set up. The worst part is, a percentage of the audience doesn't even know who or why this guy is showing up, which creates more questions that the story doesn't bother to answer. The same can be said about the Darkseid references. Why include something that will go over people's heads? If it was properly introduced and established like a good story does, it wouldn't be a meaningless or irrelevant dude, it would be FLASH (OMG!) telling Bruce something important that will have some kind of pay off in the movie.

Your film and story should establish the rules and limitation of that world. People have seen time travel depicted in other movies, but it's kind of lazy writing to throw something in BVS, assuming people are familiar with it because they've seen it elsewhere, thus in a way letting other sources do the job the BVS writer should have done better. Honestly, you could cut the Flash cameo from the film and just leave the nightmare dream, and the story in BVS would still work the same.
 
It's subjective. The story is there...literally, but some find it boring. The characters are there, some don't like how they were used in the story. Is it better than the MCU and SW films this year? I don't know. There's no way to factually determine if something is better, but clearly a lot of people didn't enjoy the film. I didn't, and I consider MOS the best Sups so far.
The thing is, critic and audience acclaim seem to be more a red flag than a quality seal nowadays.

I mean people are praising Rogue One but at the same time, they frown upon Michael Bay's movies, which are equally void of characters and story.

Apparently 13 hours is good though, I wanna watch that.

Building blocks. The same reason the MCU didn't release Iron Man and then GOTG with Thanos and a talking Raccoon. There is only one DC film prior to BVS, about an alien on earth, MOS. That's the world the audience knows going into BVS. Batman is a human who sees an alien as a threat, we can understand that because the humans in MOS had never encounter such a phenomenon and some didn't trust Sups. That's well established and specific to this universe, as opposed to people loving Sups in the Reeve films.
Stop right there, not everthying needs to be done the same way.

So, in a film that deals with these two elements, all of a sudden, a man shows up from the future (supposedly) in what could be a dream or a vision, with no prior set up. The worst part is, a percentage of the audience doesn't even know who or why this guy is showing up, which creates more questions that the story doesn't bother to answer.
And that's ok.

The same can be said about the Darkseid references. Why include something that will go over people's heads? If it was properly introduced and established like a good story does, it wouldn't be a meaningless or irrelevant dude, it be FLASH (OMG!) telling Bruce something that will have some kind of pay off in the movie.
You just used the MCU as example.

Something established/previously introduce doesn't = good story, i.e: MCU.

It's not meaningless and irrelevant. There's no difference between random Mexican looking dude in light halo with message from the future and purple dude standing up.

Your film and story should establish the rules and limitation of that world.
Not in a single stroke.

People have seen time travel depicted in other movies, but it's kind of lazy writing to throw something in BVS, assuming people are familiar with it because they've seen it elsewhere, thus in a way letting other sources do the job the BVS writer should have done better. Honestly, you could cut the Flash cameo from the film and just leave the nightmare dream, and the story in BVS would still work the same.
The nightmare alone doesn't leave doubt in the audience, the Flash scene does, it makes you question whether it happened or not, which is the point of it.

Introduce time travel.... Sigh. Sometimes I wonder how you managed to give the Matrix sequels a chance.
 
The thing is, critic and audience acclaim seem to be more a red flag than a quality seal nowadays.

I mean people are praising Rogue One but at the same time, they frown upon Michael Bay's movies, which are equally void of characters and story.

Apparently 13 hours is good though, I wanna watch that.

You have to find a critic with a similar taste as yours, and then take his or her opinion with a grain of sault :lol


Stop right there, not everthying needs to be done the same way.

Most films do in a way. Even BVS sets up certain ideas, like Bruce Wayne's dreams.



And that's ok.

Not always...


You just used the MCU as example.

Something established/previously introduce doesn't = good story, i.e: MCU.

It's not meaningless and irrelevant. There's no difference between random Mexican looking dude in light halo with message from the future and purple dude standing up.

Both MOS and BVS take time to establish certain ideas and conflicts, and ironically, that's what they attempted to do with BVS so that when JL comes out certain things are already established.

Purple dude standing up shows up after 5 films and an alien invasion connected to the purple dude you mentioned and other previously introduced characters, such as The Other and Loki.

El Flasho...not so much.


Not in a single stroke.

Of course not, but WB wanted to rush building an universe, instead on focusing on BvS.


The nightmare alone doesn't leave doubt in the audience, the Flash scene does, it makes you question whether it happened or not, which is the point of it.

I never said the nightmare alone left any doubts in people's minds. I saw you Matrix comment, you going sassy on me again? :lol

The Flash left the audience in question, because it was poorly done. Anyone who is familiar with Flash or keeps up with the movie "news" and spoilers knew who it was and what the film was trying to do.
 
El Flasho...not so much.
But we do know for a fact that el Flasho and Omega symbol dots WILL connect in the future, there is no difference.
I never said the nightmare alone left any doubts in people's minds. I saw you Matrix comment, you going sassy on me again? :lol

The Flash left the audience in question, because it was poorly done. Anyone who is familiar with Flash or keeps up with the movie "news" and spoilers knew who it was.
It wasn't poorly done though, and it served its purpose.

:lol not trying to get sassy, I just really wonder how you managed to get the matrix sequels a chance but you seem to refuse to do the same for BvS, I know you doubt, I know you can see through the memes and you wonder "What if Gaspar is right?" I know you do.

I sense conflict within you.
 
But we do know for a fact that el Flasho and Omega symbol dots WILL connect in the future, there is no difference.

I hope it does.

It wasn't poorly done though, and it served its purpose.

:lol not trying to get sassy, I just really wonder how you managed to get the matrix sequels a chance but you seem to refuse to do the same for BvS, I know you doubt, I know you can see through the memes and you wonder "What if Gaspar is right?" I know you do.

I sense conflict within you.

It's too late for me...wanna touch my chest box? :violin
 
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