Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[Khev]

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"Start the fusion reactor...lose...your mind...."

 

[Deckard]

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[pturtle]

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Took no time to derail this thread again I see

 

[DarkMagic]

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BB to TDK? You could not be more wrong.

"This is how crazy Batman's made Gotham."

The Narrows were "lost". Arkham was lost. Collateral damage everywhere from a massive terrorist attack. Still loose inmates running around according to Gordon. Scarecrow now sells a new drug that destroys people's minds. The mafia is still in complete control and now allied with the other gangs, they are recovering from a freshly murdered D.A. Gordon is several steps behind at all times. They have no faith from the public who wants Batman caught.

Even if they managed to get crime under control a bit, the hundreds of years old skyscrapers don't just magically morph from stone gargoyles to steel and glass towers.

Considering that BOTH BB and TDK were primarily filmed in Chicago, it's not hard to believe that they represent the same city. A lot of the plot of BB was centered IN the Narrows, and a lot of TDK was in the business/downtown district. Plenty of cities have both crappy slum areas and skyscrapers/luxury high rises in different areas.

Also, even in Batman Begins we did see that the city wasn't all old stone buildings. During the shot of Bruce and his parents riding the train to the Opera, we see the glistening glass skyscapers, and there were a few night shots of the city later in the film too.

You've got a selective remembering of the end of Batman Begins / start of TDK. Yes, Gordon said "The Narrows was lost", right before that though, he talks about the positivite effects as a result of Batman's prescence. "You really started something. Bad cops running scared. Hope on the streets." Before the Joker starts his big attacks the public didn't want Batman caught, in fact a lot of people supported him...so much so that they would dress up like him to take on mobsters, while the cops worked "real" hard investigating Batman suspects like Bigfoot and Lincoln.

The Mafia is still in complete control?

Maybe before Batman..."These cops and lawyers wouldn't DARE cross any of you...what happened?...I know why you choose to have your little group therapy sessions in broad daylight. I know why you're afraid to go out at night....Batman has shown Gotham your true colors."

Doesn't look like a mafia still in complete control to me.

 

[DiFabio]

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Superman looks scarier than before. It looks like he's ****ed in the head and will kill me on that rooftop.

 

[karamazov80]

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Guys, can't we just talk about how bad this movie is likely to be without dredging up all the old Nolan debates? C'mon now.

 

[pturtle]

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I’m willing to bet this movie turns out much better than Age of Ultron.

 

[karamazov80]

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Superman looks scarier than before. It looks like he's ****ed in the head and will kill me on that rooftop.

Actually reminds me of this, when SuperRollinsMan starts getting annoyed/pissed.

https://youtu.be/iaysTVcounI?t=1m47s

I’m willing to bet this movie turns out much better than Age of Ultron.

Well, it's a logical extension of Man of Steel, whereas Ultron is an extension of Avengers and subsequent films. If you like Man of Steel more than the Marvel Studios stuff, then you should think this way.

 

[DiFabio]

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That about sums it up. I feel very uncomfortable now.

The only hope for this film is a crusty, old, Ben Affleck (Snyder's words) that throws on a demonic bat costume to further terrorize Metropolis.

 

[pturtle]

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Actually reminds me of this, when SuperRollinsMan starts getting annoyed/pissed.

https://youtu.be/iaysTVcounI?t=1m47s


Well, it's a logical extension of Man of Steel, whereas Ultron is an extension of Avengers and subsequent films. If you like Man of Steel more than the Marvel Studios stuff, then you should think this way.

I actually hated MOS, but I have a good feeling about this movie.

 

[DiFabio]

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Also, I'm with Deckard. Gotham portrayed in the Nolan films is much too sterile for a city that's experienced a depression, poverty, high crime rates, a riot escape full of basket cases, etc.

Begins was a step in the right direction, from the alley the Wayne's were killed in, to the graffiti in the trains and streets, to the homeless people in the dark, dank environment outside city hall when Bruce is spying on Finch and Rachel. Sure, the Narrows soundstage was a bit crappy as well as the CGI, but it still had a visual identity. Gotham was actually a character outside Chicago extras. You had bums outside of a ****** bars, a poor food vendor on a rainy, gritty street. It was a nice blend.

Then we get Dark Knight which looks like Chicago at it's very best (the bank heist prologue alone makes me want to live there) and TDKR that makes Pittsburgh and New York look like the best cities for tourists in the world. They had no style or visual theme because there was no style or visual theme. That's what happens when you shoot on location. Every shot looks gorgeous like it could be on a travel card, not to mention backgrounds that feature Starbucks, Spider-Man 3 posters, Heinz ketchup, giant eagle, Doritos, etc.





This BvS city looks like . . . Generic, grim dark photoshop. Can't really judge it. TDKR promotional posters had that same look.

 

[pturtle]

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Also, I'm with Deckard. Gotham portrayed in the Nolan films is much too sterile for a city that's experienced a depression, poverty, high crime rates, a riot escape full of basket cases, etc.

Begins was a step in the right direction, from the alley the Wayne's were killed in, to the graffiti in the trains and streets, to the homeless people in the dark, dank environment outside city hall when Bruce is spying on Finch and Rachel. Sure, the Narrows soundstage was a bit crappy as well as the CGI, but it still had a visual identity. Gotham was actually a character outside Chicago extras. You had bums outside of a ****** bars, a poor food vendor on a rainy, gritty street. It was a nice blend.

Then we get Dark Knight which looks like Chicago at it's very best (the bank heist prologue alone makes me want to live there) and TDKR that makes Pittsburgh and New York look like the best cities for tourists in the world. They had no style or visual theme because there was no style or visual theme. That's what happens when you shoot on location. Every ahot looks gorgeous like it could be on a travel card, not to mention backgrounds that feature Starbucks, Spider-Man 3 posters, Heinz ketchup, giant eagle, Doritos, etc.

I thought visually it made sense, for TDKR as least, because Gotham was flourishing due to the Dent Act, most of the criminals were locked up which then made it easy to clean up the city. It’s comparable to Harlem, NY in the 90’s and Harlem today.

I could be wrong of course, but thats how I always viewed it.

 

[MagnumOpus]

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Better resolution...

 

[creature4000]

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It's the set of Sin City!

 

[Captain Hindsight]

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He's too dark and broody...

 

[Rorywan]

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Also, I'm with Deckard. Gotham portrayed in the Nolan films is much too sterile for a city that's experienced a depression, poverty, high crime rates, a riot escape full of basket cases, etc.

Begins was a step in the right direction, from the alley the Wayne's were killed in, to the graffiti in the trains and streets, to the homeless people in the dark, dank environment outside city hall when Bruce is spying on Finch and Rachel. Sure, the Narrows soundstage was a bit crappy as well as the CGI, but it still had a visual identity. Gotham was actually a character outside Chicago extras. You had bums outside of a ****** bars, a poor food vendor on a rainy, gritty street. It was a nice blend.

Then we get Dark Knight which looks like Chicago at it's very best (the bank heist prologue alone makes me want to live there) and TDKR that makes Pittsburgh and New York look like the best cities for tourists in the world. They had no style or visual theme because there was no style or visual theme. That's what happens when you shoot on location. Every shot looks gorgeous like it could be on a travel card, not to mention backgrounds that feature Starbucks, Spider-Man 3 posters, Heinz ketchup, giant eagle, Doritos, etc.





This BvS city looks like . . . Generic, grim dark photoshop. Can't really judge it. TDKR promotional posters had that same look.

Agreed about Nolan's Gotham. It became generic realistic city after Begins, Gotham lost it's Gothic.

This looks like a return to the more fantastically designed amalgamation of Gothic influences and futuristic architecture which we have seen before, both in the comics and Burton's movies.
And that's the Gotham I want to see to be honest. Only problem is, it doesn't in anyway relate to the reality shown in Man Of Steel?
To me anyway.

This has french/english looking industrial revolution look, mixed with gothic domes etc? Wouldn't look out of place in Burton's Batman or Sweeney Todd.

 

[Deckard]

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Because it's a different city in a different part of the country?

Gotham never had the money or the power in the hands of politicians who cared enough about the city itself to help it evolve. Simple.

Metropolis on the other hand had all it's buildings knocked down courtesy of Superbro which made way for rich people like Luthor to build the city of the future.

Just pop New York 1900s into google images.

 

[DiFabio]

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Well, I can't judge the look of the city until I see atleast a trailer. There's not enough visual information in there for me to.

Anton Furst's '89 Gotham and Eric Radmoski's dark/art deco from BTAS are my favorite looks for Gotham. If it's anything like that old world 1900's, or hell, and a touch of Begins, I'll be happy. I don't care if it matches MoS, I hate MoS. Besides, two different cities. Honestly, my gut tells me that as far as Batman's "world" or "universe" is concerned visually, it'll be just fine. It wouldn't surprise me if the most disappointing aspect of the film is a desire to see this Batman in his own solo films instead of team up crap. We'll see.

I figure Batman and Superman won't be the only things that are tonally different, their cities will be too. I mean, isn't there a football game scene in this where Metropolis is up against Gotham or something weird like that? I'm sure they're going to hit us over the head with "these guys are different!"

 

[Rorywan]

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I love Furst's Gotham too. And the Returns version of that original design.
And I also hope they go down that route in this. I keep thinking this is going to be like Watchmen more than anything else, which is cool with me.

I don't buy the "different part of the country, different city" thing though. Different reality and time period more like.

@Deckard 1900's NYC? That's spot on, mix in some Victorian architecture as well though. And that's just my point, MOS was contemporary 2013 USA.
So was the Metropolis we saw in the film last year, just a plane ride away from Burton/Furst's Gotham? I think not.

I don't care if they change everything, just commenting on how scrambled WB are with their DC franchises. They keep building and knocking down rather than progressively world building like Marvel.

 

[Khev]

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"Sarah Connor?"