Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)
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GasparZizou
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Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
Are you kidding me?
those things slowed down when they hit a building, the hulk managed to KO one with a single punch, if it was Supes punching it that thing would've gotten some serious air, it would've been a picnic day for Supes.
Besides, it wasn't just Thor or Hulk fighting them, there was a whole team.
The Teen Titans could've handled the Chitauri with ease.
Not true, they had faced Loki before and each already had plenty of experience on their own, plus they had SHIELD providing them with resources, intel or at least organization.
So could these guys.
And there were more than three.
Are you kidding me?
those things slowed down when they hit a building, the hulk managed to KO one with a single punch, if it was Supes punching it that thing would've gotten some serious air, it would've been a picnic day for Supes.Besides, it wasn't just Thor or Hulk fighting them, there was a whole team.
The Teen Titans could've handled the Chitauri with ease.
Not true, they had faced Loki before and each already had plenty of experience on their own, plus they had SHIELD providing them with resources, intel or at least organization.
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
Don't change the parameters now. You said MOS was "Supes first day fighting beings who could slice through buildings like butter." And that's exactly what happened at the end of Avengers. NONE of them had fought Chitauri Leviathans before (let alone Leviathans with the entire army attacking as well) AND as you noted none of them had Superman's powers.
So weaker guys just as inexperienced against MORE building crushers and...they defeat the bad guys while still saving lots of people. Hmmmmm.
Don't change the parameters now. You said MOS was "Supes first day fighting beings who could slice through buildings like butter." And that's exactly what happened at the end of Avengers. NONE of them had fought Chitauri Leviathans before (let alone Leviathans with the entire army attacking as well) AND as you noted none of them had Superman's powers.
So weaker guys just as inexperienced against MORE building crushers and...they defeat the bad guys while still saving lots of people. Hmmmmm.
jye4ever
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GasparZizou
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Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
I'm not changing the parameters, you're trying to compare MoS Superman who had no relevant fighting experience, who faced various individuals that were just as strong if not more than him and are clearly more powerful than the Leviathans and also had a doomsday device that could flatten half a block of the city at a time...
Vs:
Thor had already fought the ice giants, the destroyer, and god knows what else and that's a huge "what else", Hulk already fought Abomination, Cap had already fought an army, Black Widow and Hawkeye also had a life-time of training and experience.... against a army of borderline mindless beasts that were just about as dangerous as the terrorists on the Lemurian Star just in greater number, a couple of big flying whales that weren't nearly as fast nor strong as the kryptonians and a magic switch that could make it all go away....
Yeah, sounds fair....
I'm not changing the parameters, you're trying to compare MoS Superman who had no relevant fighting experience, who faced various individuals that were just as strong if not more than him and are clearly more powerful than the Leviathans and also had a doomsday device that could flatten half a block of the city at a time...
Vs:
Thor had already fought the ice giants, the destroyer, and god knows what else and that's a huge "what else", Hulk already fought Abomination, Cap had already fought an army, Black Widow and Hawkeye also had a life-time of training and experience.... against a army of borderline mindless beasts that were just about as dangerous as the terrorists on the Lemurian Star just in greater number, a couple of big flying whales that weren't nearly as fast nor strong as the kryptonians and a magic switch that could make it all go away....
Yeah, sounds fair....
GasparZizou
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Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
Not fair I hadn't post my reasoning there yet
I demand a recount!
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Not fair I hadn't post my reasoning there yet
I demand a recount!
jye4ever
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Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
That was a good rebuttal
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That was a good rebuttal
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GasparZizou
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Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
That's bs ref!
That was a good rebuttal
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That's bs ref!
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
Had the Avengers fought Leviathans in a small town earlier that same day? No.
But Supes saw firsthand the destruction that can be caused by a Kryptonian (two in fact.) Did he apply any of the knowledge gained from the Smallville fight when he faced the one remaining villain in Metropolis? Nope.
We get it. Superman was a loser. I'm just saying why camp out on the "first day" stuff. The Avengers didn't use that as a crutch and they were MORE surprised to see Leviathans show up in the city than Superman was. After all the humans that he had such contempt for killed all the Kryptonians except one for him. And the humans did it without destroying half the city!
Had the Avengers fought Leviathans in a small town earlier that same day? No.
But Supes saw firsthand the destruction that can be caused by a Kryptonian (two in fact.) Did he apply any of the knowledge gained from the Smallville fight when he faced the one remaining villain in Metropolis? Nope.
We get it. Superman was a loser. I'm just saying why camp out on the "first day" stuff. The Avengers didn't use that as a crutch and they were MORE surprised to see Leviathans show up in the city than Superman was. After all the humans that he had such contempt for killed all the Kryptonians except one for him. And the humans did it without destroying half the city!
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GasparZizou
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Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
But, why do you ignore all the previous experience they had individually? That's a major point and in fact the part that proves my point, Superman had no battle experience at all, and what if Superman saw what 2 of Zod's henchmen can do? When afterwards Zod turned on the World Engine which was what caused most of the destruction. Zod brought down what? 1 or 2 buildings in the entire fight?... The World Engine cut like 5 buildings in half the moment they turned it on, Superman was severely outgunned.
Seriously, how do you compare the world engine and the kryptonians to the puny Chitauri and the Leviathans?
Because it doesn't work for the Avengers, they had experience, they were a team, their enemies were massively weaker and they had a turn off switch.
It's just not a good comparison.
But, why do you ignore all the previous experience they had individually? That's a major point and in fact the part that proves my point, Superman had no battle experience at all, and what if Superman saw what 2 of Zod's henchmen can do? When afterwards Zod turned on the World Engine which was what caused most of the destruction. Zod brought down what? 1 or 2 buildings in the entire fight?... The World Engine cut like 5 buildings in half the moment they turned it on, Superman was severely outgunned.
Seriously, how do you compare the world engine and the kryptonians to the puny Chitauri and the Leviathans?
Because it doesn't work for the Avengers, they had experience, they were a team, their enemies were massively weaker and they had a turn off switch.
It's just not a good comparison.
GasparZizou
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Silrian
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Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
I really, really love the design if the front mounted gun can be retracted. If they can do that this might genuinely be my favorite ever bar the og 90s tas, which is leagues different.
Only thing is isn't it a bit too ridiculously broad? I know america hacps broad roads but I feel in terms of actualy mobility through a city it's not that practical. The tumblr could at least driver over every ****ing thing in its way.
Still though, now I know its base colour is pure black, ****ing love it. Front mounted gun i the only thing that could be a meh point if unretractable.
If this thing can transform, take flightbor go to water, that'd br so awesome. And I love the splitting roof doors. Might be my favorite aspect of it, never expected that.
I really, really love the design if the front mounted gun can be retracted. If they can do that this might genuinely be my favorite ever bar the og 90s tas, which is leagues different.
Only thing is isn't it a bit too ridiculously broad? I know america hacps broad roads but I feel in terms of actualy mobility through a city it's not that practical. The tumblr could at least driver over every ****ing thing in its way.
Still though, now I know its base colour is pure black, ****ing love it. Front mounted gun i the only thing that could be a meh point if unretractable.
If this thing can transform, take flightbor go to water, that'd br so awesome. And I love the splitting roof doors. Might be my favorite aspect of it, never expected that.
jye4ever
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Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
One thing is certain, nothing can be worse than The Bat.
One thing is certain, nothing can be worse than The Bat.
batfan08
Super Freak
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
I mean first day being "Superman." As Gaspar pointed out, saving a bus when you're a kid is far different than going up against a small militia of Kryptonian renegades bent on destroying the earth. Buses and oil rigs don't hit back, and they don't purposely try to maximize casualties in the name of their cause. At this point, I don't even think it's worth arguing over, though. I have my feelings, you have yours, and no amount of reasoning's going to sway either side.
I mean first day being "Superman." As Gaspar pointed out, saving a bus when you're a kid is far different than going up against a small militia of Kryptonian renegades bent on destroying the earth. Buses and oil rigs don't hit back, and they don't purposely try to maximize casualties in the name of their cause. At this point, I don't even think it's worth arguing over, though. I have my feelings, you have yours, and no amount of reasoning's going to sway either side.
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Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
Come on.
You tried shoveling that manure 30 pages ago, and it was crap then, and it's still crap.
You keep saying that they were his "physical match" but they weren't. They weren't on Earth as long as Hopeman, so they weren't as strong as him. Don't blame anyone for thinking that, the whole, ''acclimation" bit was THEIR stupid idea.
Once again I ask, if they were his "physical match", than how was it they weren't able to hurt him? After the fight HM didn't have a scratch on him. Nothing, not one scratch. He didn't even break a sweat.
When the real Superman fought Doomsday in the comic, Doomsday whooped him pretty good, remember that? Black eye, bloody nose, ripped costume, the works. Killed him in fact.
Now, I know Doomsday was much stronger, but if Snyder wanted to show HM was in any real danger, he could have shown something, anything. HM had none of that, nothing.
And again, most importantly, if Zod was as strong as HM, how was HM ABLE TO BREAK ZOD's NECK?
That's why that whole sequence was full ****** to the nth degree. It didn't bother me so much that he killed Zod, it was that he was able to do it in the first place.
As silly as some of you might think Superman II was, at least they took the time and effort to show that Zod and co.'s powers were taken away before they were able to be defeated, which, you know, made sense. Silly or not, it made sense. POS didn't.
Zod should have just been sucked back into the Phantom Zone with the others (except for the ones he could have saved, besides Lois). But I guess Hack wouldn't have been able to show MORE DESTRUCTION.
Dumb.
The whole World Engine excuse is weak too. That should have never gotten that far either. The guys who did the video "How Man of Steel should have ended" were able to come up with a more satisfying conclusion than GoyDer, and weren't even getting paid.
WB/DC should watch it sometime, and then put them on the sequel.
Come on.
You tried shoveling that manure 30 pages ago, and it was crap then, and it's still crap.
You keep saying that they were his "physical match" but they weren't. They weren't on Earth as long as Hopeman, so they weren't as strong as him. Don't blame anyone for thinking that, the whole, ''acclimation" bit was THEIR stupid idea.
Once again I ask, if they were his "physical match", than how was it they weren't able to hurt him? After the fight HM didn't have a scratch on him. Nothing, not one scratch. He didn't even break a sweat.
When the real Superman fought Doomsday in the comic, Doomsday whooped him pretty good, remember that? Black eye, bloody nose, ripped costume, the works. Killed him in fact.
Now, I know Doomsday was much stronger, but if Snyder wanted to show HM was in any real danger, he could have shown something, anything. HM had none of that, nothing.
And again, most importantly, if Zod was as strong as HM, how was HM ABLE TO BREAK ZOD's NECK?
That's why that whole sequence was full ****** to the nth degree. It didn't bother me so much that he killed Zod, it was that he was able to do it in the first place.
As silly as some of you might think Superman II was, at least they took the time and effort to show that Zod and co.'s powers were taken away before they were able to be defeated, which, you know, made sense. Silly or not, it made sense. POS didn't.
Zod should have just been sucked back into the Phantom Zone with the others (except for the ones he could have saved, besides Lois). But I guess Hack wouldn't have been able to show MORE DESTRUCTION.
Dumb.
The whole World Engine excuse is weak too. That should have never gotten that far either. The guys who did the video "How Man of Steel should have ended" were able to come up with a more satisfying conclusion than GoyDer, and weren't even getting paid.
WB/DC should watch it sometime, and then put them on the sequel.
GasparZizou
Super Freak
Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
It's still valid, you weren't able to refute it
I answered those questions back then, what's up with your memory? "They weren't able to hurt him" they KOd him twice or 3 times, and about the scratches, neither Faora, nor Zod had any scratches, hematomas or bruises at all, so, how does that not say "match"?
In fact, Nam-Ek clearly was more powerful than Supes in sheer brute force.
That was also answered previously and you didn't have a rebuttal for that, the neck is a delicate spot in the body, you end up in a wrong position, and someone twists your neck to the side a little too much, you're done, even if the person doing so is smaller or weaker than you.
You forgot the part where you explain why exactly it's weak, are you saying that the World Engine was less dangerous than the Chitauri? Because that would be dumb
Come on.
You tried shoveling that manure 30 pages ago, and it was crap then, and it's still crap.
It's still valid, you weren't able to refute it
I answered those questions back then, what's up with your memory? "They weren't able to hurt him" they KOd him twice or 3 times, and about the scratches, neither Faora, nor Zod had any scratches, hematomas or bruises at all, so, how does that not say "match"?
In fact, Nam-Ek clearly was more powerful than Supes in sheer brute force.
Yup, that I agree with (but then again, you don't see Thor getting any bruises either), but that has little to do with the topic at hand... We're talking about whether the "Superman 1st day out" stands.
That was also answered previously and you didn't have a rebuttal for that, the neck is a delicate spot in the body, you end up in a wrong position, and someone twists your neck to the side a little too much, you're done, even if the person doing so is smaller or weaker than you.
You forgot the part where you explain why exactly it's weak, are you saying that the World Engine was less dangerous than the Chitauri? Because that would be dumb
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GasparZizou
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Re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
What?
Man this thread sucks, some people hate it when you put up a good argument.
It seems it's better to just nod and not question the status quo.
What?
Man this thread sucks, some people hate it when you put up a good argument.
It seems it's better to just nod and not question the status quo.
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