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[ajp4mgs]

If you reject TCW and Rebels due to Force gods and time travel portals then you could say that Mando/BOBF Ahsoka is merely "inspired" by the cartoon version and not actually the same character, the way that Rebels Thrawn isn't the same character from the Zahn novels. That's assuming that you wanted Mando and Episode 6 of BOBF in your personal canon.

Palps' resurrection was rubber stamped by George all the way back in 1991 so I'm surprised that people are so hung up on that occurring in live-action.

As for Fett's competence I've got to imagine that you consider ROTJ canon right? His incompetence there got him killed, whereas in BOBF for all of his unhelmeted buffoonery (since thankfully aside from the door button pushing he was always a badass when his helmet was on) everything still worked out for him in the end. Since he literally achieved everything he set out to accomplish then by definition he technically wasn't incompetent, just silly from time to time.

I'm guessing that you might counter with "well there's a difference between being competent and being lucky" if that's how you perceive him but as William Munny once famously said luck is often a big factor in these types' of characters' success. Plus I'm not so sure that he needed as much help as a lot of people are assuming. Who's to say that after pressing the button on the door for the 5th time that he wouldn't have then just blasted it had Fennec not stepped in, or that he wouldn't have dispatched the seismic charge into the Sarlacc himself (he didn't at all acknowledge that what she did was necessary, quite the opposite in fact) and so on. People just don't want to give him the benefit of the doubt and are declaring him helpless when based on what was shown on screen you can't definitively make that call.

First off, I want to make clear that I appreciate what you're trying to do. And I thank you for taking the time to make the effort. But [in gasping Vader voice]: It is too late for me... Khev.

The Ahsoka in Mando/BOBF is the same as the one who was on Mortis, has the Force god owl following her, and only exists in that timeline by way of a time travel rescue. I don't want to play pretend that her character history in the animated stuff isn't 100% what her live-action history is. I can't truly fool myself. Even though it probably seems like it, I'm not *actually* insane.

Her show will involve Ezra and Sabine in such a way that pretending would end up being sillier in a futile way anyhow. It's just not for me, and I can't see it ever being so.

Palpatine's resurrection being rubber stamped by Lucas is no different than him rubber stamping Luke getting married to Mara Jade. He never considered those things part of his "true" SW story, and he made that clear repeatedly. In fact, those are the two EU storylines that Lucas has specifically cited as rejecting because they undermine aspects of his films. To him, the EU was like a "what if" playground for other creators. Palpatine surviving undermines PT Anakin's destiny of the "Chosen One," and it undermines OT Vader's legacy as the guy who killed him.

As for Fett, yes, ROTJ is absolutely part of my canon! But, as I've explained before, I don't see what happened to him there being entirely incompetence. If he flew his jetpack into the barge on his own, then yeah, that'd be incompetent. But he had no reason to think that a blind Han Solo was going to smack the jetpack and cause him to go flying uncontrollably. The scream and cartoonish visual is unfortunate, but what are you gonna do? These things happen.

Finally, let me address (and I can't believe the show creators made it so that we have to actually have this discussion ) Boba Fett stumped by a locked door (and his incompetence in general). The old Lucasfilm actually took the time to define those blades in the calf pockets of his flight suit being for the purpose of bypassing locked doors. Because a bounty hunter *would* encounter doors getting locked. Boba should know how to recognize a locked door, and also know that you don't open one by repeatedly pressing the red button which is telling him that the door is locked. Just imagine if that's how locks in the SW galaxy worked.

But the door is only one inconsequential example of several instances of Boba's newfound incompetence. There's the point-blank firing his gauntlet into assassin energy shields that knocked himself down. There's his Slave I armor hunt into the Sarlacc pit. There's his bumbling chase of the kitchen rabbit droid. There's putting a bathrobe on instead of reaching for armor or weapons while a Wookiee assassin was still rampaging through his palace. Should I keep going?

#notmyboba; #notmystarwars; #pleasemakeitstop

 

[Sassafras]

My canon is clone wars
Pt
Ot and mando and rogue one
Everything else is utter trash

IMO Rebels isn't trash. I was surprised by the artwork and some fairly heavy themes; also the characters are distinct with their own quirks and failings. Not everything in Rebels is great but overall find it pretty re-watchable with some outstanding villains I wouldn't mind seeing live action, with the right actors.

 

[a-dev]

There's his bumbling chase of the kitchen rabbit droid.

These words accurately describe something that happened in the Boba Fett show.

 

[Sassafras]

It’s always in the execution. People would be far less upset at Palp’s return if it was properly foreshadowed, logically led into his big return, thematically meant something to the original heroes, or wasn’t fleshed out the most in a teaser in Fortnite.

The EU had its problems, but it was soooo much better than “somehow, Palpatine has returned…”

I expect a lot of future tie-in media will be trying to make this all match up and fitting that round peg into that square hole.

Dunno IMO it was just 11 year old fan fiction lame. And so unneeded. Millions of dollars and the best we were expected to believe was that space dust bunnies from an explosion somehow reconstituted - can't even

That's not even having massive ships being built and NO-ONE noticed materials and workman/aliens being ferried in and where did all the Dementors sitting around in the stands come from - did they just float through space?

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

These words accurately describe something that happened in the Boba Fett show.

It's ridiculous beyond belief. Griff Tannen's scooter gang falls into a similar category. Boba Fett actually curses out and threatens Bugs Bunny, and the people making the show thought this was ok.

 

[ironwez20]

IMO Rebels isn't trash. I was surprised by the artwork and some fairly heavy themes; also the characters are distinct with their own quirks and failings. Not everything in Rebels is great but overall find it pretty re-watchable with some outstanding villains I wouldn't mind seeing live action, with the right actors.

O yea and rebels. My bad

 

[jye4ever]

First off, I want to make clear that I appreciate what you're trying to do. And I thank you for taking the time to make the effort. But [in gasping Vader voice]: It is too late for me... Khev.

The Ahsoka in Mando/BOBF is the same as the one who was on Mortis, has the Force god owl following her, and only exists in that timeline by way of a time travel rescue. I don't want to play pretend that her character history in the animated stuff isn't 100% what her live-action history is. I can't truly fool myself. Even though it probably seems like it, I'm not *actually* insane.

Her show will involve Ezra and Sabine in such a way that pretending would end up being sillier in a futile way anyhow. It's just not for me, and I can't see it ever being so.

Palpatine's resurrection being rubber stamped by Lucas is no different than him rubber stamping Luke getting married to Mara Jade. He never considered those things part of his "true" SW story, and he made that clear repeatedly. In fact, those are the two EU storylines that Lucas has specifically cited as rejecting because they undermine aspects of his films. To him, the EU was like a "what if" playground for other creators. Palpatine surviving undermines PT Anakin's destiny of the "Chosen One," and it undermines OT Vader's legacy as the guy who killed him.

As for Fett, yes, ROTJ is absolutely part of my canon! But, as I've explained before, I don't see what happened to him there being entirely incompetence. If he flew his jetpack into the barge on his own, then yeah, that'd be incompetent. But he had no reason to think that a blind Han Solo was going to smack the jetpack and cause him to go flying uncontrollably. The scream and cartoonish visual is unfortunate, but what are you gonna do? These things happen.

Finally, let me address (and I can't believe the show creators made it so that we have to actually have this discussion ) Boba Fett stumped by a locked door (and his incompetence in general). The old Lucasfilm actually took the time to define those blades in the calf pockets of his flight suit being for the purpose of bypassing locked doors. Because a bounty hunter *would* encounter doors getting locked. Boba should know how to recognize a locked door, and also know that you don't open one by repeatedly pressing the red button which is telling him that the door is locked. Just imagine if that's how locks in the SW galaxy worked.

But the door is only one inconsequential example of several instances of Boba's newfound incompetence. There's the point-blank firing his gauntlet into assassin energy shields that knocked himself down. There's his Slave I armor hunt into the Sarlacc pit. There's his bumbling chase of the kitchen rabbit droid. There's putting a bathrobe on instead of reaching for armor or weapons while a Wookiee assassin was still rampaging through his palace. Should I keep going?

#notmyboba; #notmystarwars; #pleasemakeitstop

There is just

 

[Khev]

First off, I want to make clear that I appreciate what you're trying to do. And I thank you for taking the time to make the effort. But [in gasping Vader voice]: It is too late for me... Khev.

The Ahsoka in Mando/BOBF is the same as the one who was on Mortis, has the Force god owl following her, and only exists in that timeline by way of a time travel rescue. I don't want to play pretend that her character history in the animated stuff isn't 100% what her live-action history is. I can't truly fool myself. Even though it probably seems like it, I'm not *actually* insane.

Well yes she's "officially" supposed to be the same Ahsoka just like OT Han, Luke, and Leia are "officially" the same characters that did all kinds of crazy nonsensical things in comics and elsewhere. It doesn't mean you have to accept any of the peripheral non-live-action stuff as legitimate though. I don't think that's being insane, just having a healthy disconnect between live-action films, live-action TV, and everything else. That's assuming you want the disconnect which in this case you're obviously saying you do.

Her show will involve Ezra and Sabine in such a way that pretending would end up being sillier in a futile way anyhow. It's just not for me, and I can't see it ever being so.

Yes her own show will probably double-down on all that Rebels stuff so that's where I'd think you'd want to make the clean break but not with Mando.

Palpatine's resurrection being rubber stamped by Lucas is no different than him rubber stamping Luke getting married to Mara Jade. He never considered those things part of his "true" SW story, and he made that clear repeatedly. In fact, those are the two EU storylines that Lucas has specifically cited as rejecting because they undermine aspects of his films. To him, the EU was like a "what if" playground for other creators. Palpatine surviving undermines PT Anakin's destiny of the "Chosen One," and it undermines OT Vader's legacy as the guy who killed him.

Well Dark Empire was long before the PT so I don't think that when Lucas approved it he saw it as undermining his story, that was a retroactive byproduct of him revising SW so that Anakin became the main character of the Saga instead of Luke.

As for Fett, yes, ROTJ is absolutely part of my canon! But, as I've explained before, I don't see what happened to him there being entirely incompetence. If he flew his jetpack into the barge on his own, then yeah, that'd be incompetent. But he had no reason to think that a blind Han Solo was going to smack the jetpack and cause him to go flying uncontrollably. The scream and cartoonish visual is unfortunate, but what are you gonna do? These things happen.

Okay before I systematically break down every derpy thing Fett did at the Sarlacc pit (flying to within saber reach of Luke, voluntarily putting himself in a literal killbox directly above the Sarlacc where all of Jabba's goons were focusing their blaster fire, shooting his wrist laser a foot above Luke's head while Luke was distracted on the second skiff...okay I'll stop) just what exactly do you mean by "entirely incompetence?" Like he didn't die entirely as the result of his own incompetence, just mostly? Partially? I'd really like to know.

Finally, let me address (and I can't believe the show creators made it so that we have to actually have this discussion ) Boba Fett stumped by a locked door (and his incompetence in general). The old Lucasfilm actually took the time to define those blades in the calf pockets of his flight suit being for the purpose of bypassing locked doors. Because a bounty hunter *would* encounter doors getting locked. Boba should know how to recognize a locked door, and also know that you don't open one by repeatedly pressing the red button which is telling him that the door is locked. Just imagine if that's how locks in the SW galaxy worked.

at "imagine if that's how locks in the SW galaxy worked." Party comes across locked door in Star Wars. Characters at the front of the group press the button once, twice, then three times. "Dammit, Fett get up here and run a bypass!" Fett approaches, presses the button the necessary five times, and the door opens. The rest of the group nod at Fett's expertise as they all rush through the door.

In all seriousness though yes it was a silly and even cartoonish moment but you literally gave an equally cartoonish moment above a pass and again, at least this silly moment was super quick and did not get him killed.

Yes there were any number of cool ways that a badass bounty hunter could have gotten through that door but I think the most important thing to remember is that he was actively trying to not act like a bounty hunter. He was trying to go straight and wasn't taking any crap but I don't know that breaking and entering was what he was going for either. I think that crosses into "ruling through fear and intimidation" territory which he wasn't wanting to do as he had just recently showed when Fennec threatened the mayor's aid and caused him to run in the first place.

I think he just accepted that in order to gain respect and more importantly loyalty that he just recognized that the most direct "acts of competence" that a bounty hunter would do were largely no longer an option for him. I mean if you or I went to someone's house that we wanted to speak to and they refused and locked the door would we be "incompetent" if we didn't kick the door down? No we just wouldn't be psychos. Even moreso if it was a high profile place like the mayor's office in City Hall.

But the door is only one inconsequential example of several instances of Boba's newfound incompetence. There's the point-blank firing his gauntlet into assassin energy shields that knocked himself down. There's his Slave I armor hunt into the Sarlacc pit. There's his bumbling chase of the kitchen rabbit droid. There's putting a bathrobe on instead of reaching for armor or weapons while a Wookiee assassin was still rampaging through his palace. Should I keep going?

#notmyboba; #notmystarwars; #pleasemakeitstop

I don't like the point-blank rocket attack into the assassins' shields. I wish they didn't have him do that and am very curious as to what Favreau and Rodriguez were going for in that moment. Was he trying to kill those guys right off the bat and got knocked on his butt? Was he trying to not kill them and thought that the impact of the blast against their shields would knock them back so that he and Fennec could escape? It was a strange sequence that I'm not very clear on and can only handwave it away as him either being not in his right mind in that moment due to all that he was mulling over or that the last time he'd encountered enemies with shields the rocket did the trick but these were just more powerful or something. Like I said I don't like that moment but these things happen so what can you do.

As for the rest of your funny examples I'm fine with attributing them to him not being fully healed, out of his element, trying to reinvent himself in ways that weren't fully working out until at last the bacta had run its course and he was back in full gear (aka the finale.)

 

[Khev]

These words accurately describe something that happened in the Boba Fett show.

It truly was a surreal experience. What makes it even more bizarre was I had it on in the background with the captions turned on and was shocked to realize that the captions called out that the little droid was "panting" as he tried to escape Fett's wrath. Panting! Was he out of breath!?

Hey little droid:

 

[chrisstbh]

 

[Khev]

Lol at all of jye's "wow" emojis whenever I post something in favor of BOBF.

 

[jye4ever]

Lol at all of jye's "wow" emojis whenever I post something in favor of BOBF.

Dude you are such an amazing advocate that I’m seriously being brainwashed into liking Boba Tard!

Pushing the button 5 times instead of just 3 sent me over the edge lol

 

[matticus]

Is khev trying to say an abortion is a work of art?

 

[Khev]

Dude you are such an amazing advocate that I’m seriously being brainwashed into liking Boba Tard!

Dude if you watch Mando Season 2 then BOBF episodes 5, 6, and 7 then Fett is back to being a full badass. He just takes those earlier comedic episodes to find his footing on the new path he chooses for himself.

Pushing the button 5 times instead of just 3 sent me over the edge lol

 

[ZE_501]

Dude you are such an amazing advocate that I’m seriously being brainwashed into liking Boba Tard!

*prays harder for both jye4ever and Khev's liberation*

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

After the ST and now BOBF I'm convinced Khev could happily live as a Uighur in a Chinese camp and talk himself into believing the guards are just nice men who gave him a job.

These Lucasfilm idiots aren't going to ruin Star Wars for him! Dude could eat a turd sandwich and pretend it's the finest cut of filet. Talk about mind over matter...

 

[ajp4mgs]

Okay before I systematically break down every derpy thing Fett did at the Sarlacc pit (flying to within saber reach of Luke, voluntarily putting himself in a literal killbox directly above the Sarlacc where all of Jabba's goons were focusing their blaster fire, shooting his wrist laser a foot above Luke's head while Luke was distracted on the second skiff...okay I'll stop) just what exactly do you mean by "entirely incompetence?" Like he didn't die entirely as the result of his own incompetence, just mostly? Partially? I'd really like to know.

at "imagine if that's how locks in the SW galaxy worked." Party comes across locked door in Star Wars. Characters at the front of the group press the button once, twice, then three times. "Dammit, Fett get up here and run a bypass!" Fett approaches, presses the button the necessary five times, and the door opens. The rest of the group nod at Fett's expertise as they all rush through the door.

I'm not gonna beat the same dead horse about BoBF incompetence because you and I are going to remain miles apart on that one. But I had to include your hypothetical door opening scenario in the quote because that's freaking hilarious.

Okay, onto ROTJ Fett.

If you just allow for the possibility that he would prefer to take Luke alive, all of those points you bring up get resolved. You're looking for ways that it was incompetence, rather than taking the lasso use and extrapolating that to the character's benefit. I can't explain why, but I've always gone with a more positive view of it.

Whether it was for a bigger payday from Vader or Jabba doesn't matter, but the lasso allows me the interpretation that he was more interested in taking Luke alive than killing him. Deliberately choosing a wrangling method rather than flamethrower, darts, rocket, or any other lethal means at his disposal can either be perceived as incompetent *or* purposeful. I choose purposeful.

With that in mind, the lasso requires close range. I doubt that the damn thing could be used accurately from more than a few feet away (how much cable could possibly be coiled in there? ). And if Boba was projecting a huge reward for wrangling Luke alive, he had no time for optimal circumstances and risk Luke either escaping or getting shot by tons of Jabba goons.

That explains the proximity to Luke and his saber. Fett's armor adds to the rationale for being willing to put himself in the line of fire (your boy in the BoBF did the same thing to rescue Krrsantan because he knew his armor could take it, right? ) And the wrist laser was so off, that I honestly don't know if the intent was that he was aiming for the lightsaber blade.

Just remember that if this justifying seems ridiculous (I concede how it easily would), I only need to do it for *one* sequence in ROTJ. You have to do it for 5 full episodes of BoBF.

Boba's bad fortune in ROTJ is not what bothers me; what bothers me is the aesthetic execution of it.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Go train yourself.

 

[Khev]

I'm not gonna beat the same dead horse about BoBF incompetence because you and I are going to remain miles apart on that one. But I had to include your hypothetical door opening scenario in the quote because that's freaking hilarious.

Okay, onto ROTJ Fett.

If you just allow for the possibility that he would prefer to take Luke alive, all of those points you bring up get resolved. You're looking for ways that it was incompetence, rather than taking the lasso use and extrapolating that to the character's benefit. I can't explain why, but I've always gone with a more positive view of it.

Okay first off my intentions here are to help you understand why BOBF was cool (), not to try and make you hate ROTJ ,) but I have to ask, how do you come to the conclusion that Fett's intentions in flying over to the skiff was to put himself in great danger so that he could potentially capture Luke when the very first thing he did upon landing was point his massive blaster rifle at Luke's face until Luke chopped it in half?

(You know looking at the scene from this angle I never realized that Dickey Beer (Bulloch's stuntman) actually looked a little thicc like TM there, lol.)

But my actual point was that it was only after Luke destroyed his blaster that he started improvising and shooting different things (lasso, wrist blaster) at him.

Whether it was for a bigger payday from Vader or Jabba doesn't matter, but the lasso allows me the interpretation that he was more interested in taking Luke alive than killing him. Deliberately choosing a wrangling method rather than flamethrower, darts, rocket, or any other lethal means at his disposal can either be perceived as incompetent *or* purposeful. I choose purposeful.

With that in mind, the lasso requires close range. I doubt that the damn thing could be used accurately from more than a few feet away (how much cable could possibly be coiled in there? ). And if Boba was projecting a huge reward for wrangling Luke alive, he had no time for optimal circumstances and risk Luke either escaping or getting shot by tons of Jabba goons.

You know I don't have any problem with rationalizations like this, however you want to see it to make the scene cool for you is fine by me!

I'm just surprised that you're totally capable of rationalizing that a guy who easily could have fired his blaster from the safety of the barge but instead decided that he'd fly right up to Luke to point it at his face had somehow planned to capture him from the beginning while dismissing my take on BOBF as not being any way in line with the story that was presented.

You say that his actions at the Sarlacc can be interpreted as incompetent or purposeful and you choose purposeful while I can easily see his less than direct methods in the first few episodes of BOBF as also being purposeful, or more specifically the result of him realizing that the end result of his entire life doing what he was bred to do, following in his father's footsteps and others in his father's profession, was to be ignored and abandoned and left for dead in the belly of the Sarlacc. He lived the bounty hunter's life from birth to death and was not going to go down that road ever again. Since his new path was uncharted waters with no real mentors to guide him he was on his own and repeatedly erred on the side of being less than effective in certain moments as long as it meant that he didn't cross that line. And I'm not just making this stuff up out of thin air I'm literally going by his own stated motivations and desired methods.

Yes they leaned into the "guy out of his element" pretty hard on multiple occasions to the point of comedy which obviously turned lots of people off but I still think his journey was sound, his arc was compelling, and at the end became an incredibly rare character in Star Wars (possibly even unique??) in that he alone took the initiative to simply evaluate his own life and past choices and decided that he was going to do things differently in order to benefit both himself and others like him.

And yes the "others like him," if you're open to any of his desired motivations being cool at all, actually allows characters like the Mods and even depressed Rancor, silly at first glance, to fall into place. The Mods were kids that became criminals who preyed on others because they saw no other option. Fett, plagued by dreams of being a kid who had no guidance because his dad was always jetting off from Kamino until he got killed on Geonosis (both scenarios repeatedly shown in flashback on this show) saw kids going down a similar road as him so he stepped in and gave them a different option.

The Rancor, also young, was again much like him in the sense that it was bred to destroy at the whim and pleasure of its owners until it would one day fall in combat, discarded and alone. Once again he said no, I'm going to give it a chance for something else that no one gave me. Now this is still Boba Fett we're talking about, so he's not domesticating anyone away from combat obviously but as he said to Fennec he's offering them a "tribe" to fight with, brothers and sisters in arms who will be there both in and out of combat.

Below you mention him coming to Krrsantan's aid in the final battle and that's exactly what I'm talking about. If you notice he's coming to people's rescue left and right in that final battle. He rushes out into the open (with his teammates covering him) to rescue Santo, several times he pushes Mando out of the way of the Scorponek Droids' fire, he saves Mando again with the Rancor when the damaged droid was about to crush him, then he and the Rancor blast through the wall next to the pinned down Mods and people of Free Town to save them. What an awesome counterpoint to the Sarlacc battle where even though all of Jabba's goons had common enemies none of them were actually helping each other. They were even prone to laughing when their brothers died horrible deaths as we saw several scenes earlier when the Gammy fell into the Rancor pit.

And that was the life and community that Fett no longer wanted any part of, and he wanted to throw a lifeline to anyone else who was in that life and also wanted out. Almost all of what I initially took as silliness (letting people mouth off to him, lowering his guard to win trust, offering people jobs) suddenly makes complete sense to me now and is totally in line with what I consider to be a really cool arc. Yes they could have refrained from having some of those now classic moments played at his expense but at the end of the day the fact that he stayed the course on his newly chosen path ended up with him saving all of his allies (Fennec, Mando, Mods, Free Town warriors) and a number of people who were initially against him (Krrsantan, Mayor's Aid.)

And he did it in ways that nobody thought he could. Trejo was all "huh, what, you want to ride that thing?" Fennec and Mando were certain that facing the Pyke army head on was suicide, Fennec told him point blank that the Hutt method of ruling by fear was traditionally the easier route.

And on that note (I don't know who's still reading this but here goes, lol) they also gave Fett a really cool spiritual journey that was not completely unalike that of a Jedi. Fennec recommending that he rule by fear as I just mentioned, the quick and easy path that was NOT stronger than patiently and less aggressively winning loyal allies through respect and sacrifice. I think it's kind of awesome how they gave us a version of fear leading to suffering, death and destruction that was not centered around learning to use the Force. By doing that it showed how even non-Force users must learn to pass similar tests as the Jedi with similar results. Heck he even had "go on a quest to find your lightsaber" moment with the tree and the gaffi.

I'm honestly pretty shocked that this show and this version of the character is being so summarily dismissed just because of a few moments in those first four episodes that were admittedly sillier than what we were all expecting for the super menacing dude that was introduced in ESB. Yeah the rocket blast to the shield was dumb, "like a bantha" became an instant meme, the door button pushing, kitchen chasing and Sarlacc crashing. Like I said I'm still not sure what they were going for with the rocket blast, like a bantha was him trying to connect with and train his former captors, locked door was him choosing not to vandalize the mayor's office by blasting the door or destroying the lock, kitchen antics were him showing mercy to a droid just doing its job, Sarlacc pit was him just not in his right mind as he apparently thought that his armor was in there and that he had possibly killed it when he burned a hole through its side.

I'm not saying that those weren't silly moments by any means but they were definitely entertaining for all of us for weeks on end. And they were all just stepping stone moments to him becoming the super badass who has his fellow warriors' backs while steering a Rancor one-handed as he fires a two-handed heavy blaster also one-handed yess and gets the best of guys like Cad Bane.

I know that there are a lot of people here who just mock and insult anyone who likes something that they don't because that's what people do on the internet. But I hope that my longwinded take didn't completely fall on deaf ears for guys like you (ajp) and jye, a-dev, etc., and anyone else who actually respects what I have to say.

Again I'm not trying to challenge you or prove you wrong or myself right. I just hope that maybe you can consider your own take of Fett's performance at the Sarlacc Pit in ROTJ and maybe see that my view of his character in BOBF has some validity too, even if you still disagree in the end.

That explains the proximity to Luke and his saber. Fett's armor adds to the rationale for being willing to put himself in the line of fire (your boy in the BoBF did the same thing to rescue Krrsantan because he knew his armor could take it, right? ) And the wrist laser was so off, that I honestly don't know if the intent was that he was aiming for the lightsaber blade.

Just remember that if this justifying seems ridiculous (I concede how it easily would), I only need to do it for *one* sequence in ROTJ. You have to do it for 5 full episodes of BoBF.

Boba's bad fortune in ROTJ is not what bothers me; what bothers me is the aesthetic execution of it.

I hear you, thanks for elaborating on that.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Okay first off my intentions here are to help you understand why BOBF was cool (), not to try and make you hate ROTJ ,) but I have to ask, how do you come to the conclusion that Fett's intentions in flying over to the skiff was to put himself in great danger so that he could potentially capture Luke when the very first thing he did upon landing was point his massive blaster rifle at Luke's face until Luke chopped it in half?

(You know looking at the scene from this angle I never realized that Dickey Beer (Bulloch's stuntman) actually looked a little thicc like TM there, lol.)

But my actual point was that it was only after Luke destroyed his blaster that he started improvising and shooting different things (lasso, wrist blaster) at him.

I'll address this ROTJ section first, and then I'll go into my response about the unquoted remainder regarding BOBF and why I think it's a totally different deal.

There was a ton of footage shot for that ROTJ Fett scene, and most of it was cut. That photo you attached looks nothing like what made the actual movie. If you want to see where Boba Fett was aiming when he landed in the final cut that we got (which is what I go by, obviously) it was this:

I encourage you to watch the scene and see for yourself. And if you're wondering what I'm getting at with all this, there have been rough storyboard drawings that are rumored to be legit which show Boba Fett actually shooting Chewbacca (yes, *connecting*) first thing. What we see in the movie looks to me like it's still Boba aiming at Chewie, but they had Luke slice the blaster before a shot could be fired.

To me, it's clear as crystal that Fett wasn't aiming at Luke. If you want to disagree, that's fine with me, but I hope you can at least understand why I see it the way I do (especially if you're willing to consider how the sequence may have been originally planned via the rumored storyboards). And you can see the allegedly legit storyboard drawing here:

https://www.bobafettfanclub.com/mul...rpics/10001/rotj-storyboard-draft-page-24.jpg
All I can do is try to make sense of what the scene shows me. And what I see is Fett aiming at Chewie, then Luke slicing his blaster, then Fett *not* using lethal force on Luke when he could have. I take all of that and make the best sense of it that I can. And that's the interpretation I posted earlier. If you see it as incompetence instead of intention, I don't blame you one bit! Most (maybe all) fans do as well. Just not me. What can I tell you?

But even if I saw that scene the way you do, it was *one* scene that would piss me off, and not an entire series full of stupid moments that pissed me off. You justify those moments because you liked this show and what it set out to accomplish. I didn't. And because I didn't, I have no interest in justifying things that I perceive as poorly conceived and horribly executed. That's not the case with ROTJ, which is (and always has been) an enjoyable watch for me where the things that bother some don't bother me much, if at all.

Now, the BoBF view.

Your words don't fall on deaf ears with me, and I'm not dismissing your take when I disagree with it. But all I can do is acknowledge that you're being genuine and sincere about your views and interpretations. What I *can't* do is agree with your interpretations if I genuinely and sincerely have a polar opposite takeaway. And if you want my honest opinion, I thought the show was awful for most of the first 4 episodes, and hit all new lows for stupidity via plot conveniences in the finale. I found it insultingly lazy in that respect, and in its setup-to-payoff aspects with plenty of contrivances used. That doesn't make me right or wrong, it just expresses my honest opinion.

The number of instances in that finale that had me saying, "Oh come on! That's so stupid!" were staggering!

In total, where you see a compelling character arc, I see a sloppy mess of incongruous associations. Where you see Boba Fett's motivations being well defined, I see a guy who wanted proper tribute payoffs one minute, and then claimed that he didn't care about money an episode or two later. You see a guy who was motivated to change his life, and I see a guy who must've suffered from Stockholm syndrome after being *enslaved* and later didn't even understand his own motivations or what his actual agenda was from the throne. Even after the conclusion of the season, I have no idea what Boba Fett wants. Is it to be a caretaker for Mos Espa? If so, how did spending time with his inner circle get him there from taking over the throne of a crime lord?

He was a nice guy pretty much the whole way through; even as a slave of the Tuskens he showed compassion on more than one occasion. It just makes no sense to me. And apart from that, it's a complete 180 degrees from what would ever make me interested in seeing a show about Boba Fett. Why the hell would I want one of my favorite villains to go soft and turn over a new leaf without getting to see him be a bad guy first? I didn't spend years imagining Boba Fett the bounty hunter to then get a show about him and be glad to get a 60-year-old man tumble around in his underwear, snort lizards, walk the desert for a tree branch, tell a Bantha to go make babies, lower the price of water in the town, and recruit cyberpunks without any demonstrable qualifications to be in his posse. The whole thing was just bizarre.

I'm hoping that what little you know about me via these threads is enough to understand that I'm not a hater. In fact, I haven't been riding higher on SW in the last 5 years than I was after episode 6. But that finale made me feel embarrassed to be a fan. When the mechanic rolled through a warzone with Grogu on a rickshaw, I might've actually flipped off my screen in disgust. I don't want to see that kind of sitcom absurdity when I'm supposed to be feeling tension over a key battle. It has a lot to do with why I hated Jar Jar and his antics. I can't tolerate that crap because the OT never played to me like an episode of Three's Company, and I never want it to. This show, being a Saturday morning cartoon in terms of plot logic and absurdities, is not my brand of SW and never will be.

I don't say any of this to diminish your point of view. Your take is entirely as valid as mine. If I went through each of your rationalizations, I'd just be offering you what I base my contrasting opinions on. I think you just have certain preferences and tolerances that I don't which allow you to see gold where all I see is mud. It's not because I'm failing to apply justifications like I do for the movies/shows that I enjoy; it's that so much of this series turned me off that there's no reason or desire at all for me to try to reframe the dozens of objections that I have. It's just too much to overcome; and again, this style of cartoony SW will never sit well with me.

Make no mistake, I prefer that you enjoy it. I'm not someone who needs my misery to have company. The way SW has been making me feel is something I don't need other fans to feel. You're not wrong for liking BoBF, and you state perfectly valid interpretations of the same plot points and themes that I thought were underwhelming or just flat-out bad. It happens. I hope you can continue to enjoy the new stuff just as much going forward. Maybe it'll eventually rub off on some of the rest of us.