**Beware SPOILERS** Obi-Wan Kenobi Series on Disney+ **Beware SPOILERS**

[matticus]

Looking at the length of these posts, this is clearly The Book of Obi-Wan Kenobi.

 

[matticus]

 

[a-dev]

I'm sure that was uhhh....deepfaked

 

[ZE_501]

I hope you can continue to enjoy the new stuff just as much going forward. Maybe it'll eventually rub off on some of the rest of us.

 

[Bravomite]

Confirmed that George follows the Bravomite Canon (currently confining Rogue 1 to elseworlds). Only the six Lucas movies are canon and perhaps some other media might be allowed.

 

[ZE_501]

[...]

A little shade for Trek there.

 

[Bravomite]

A little shade for Trek there.

Ironically it became just like Star Trek complete with JJ alternate timeline movies

 

[ZE_501]

Confirmed that George follows the Bravomite Canon (currently confining Rogue 1 to elseworlds). Only the six Lucas movies are canon and perhaps some other media might be allowed.

A scholar could devote a lifetime of study to The Life & Fall From Grace of Saint George.

The Revelation of The Force - Star Wars

First Apostasy - Holiday Special; scholars generally agree this was a weak man's descent into temptation and vile sin, but from this debasement a community of disciples -- some of whom would go on to sainthood themselves -- arose and helped bring about:

Redemption & Sainthood - The Empire Strikes Back

Lost Years - Return of the Jedi; it was here that St. George began to lose his way again although the decline was slow; many pinpoint this as the moment that Palpathleen began whispering in his ear.

Second Apostasy - The Ewok Adventure & Battle For Endor; generally considered as debased as the First but not as vile, written at a remove from the Original Canon.

... 1997's amendment to the scriptures now widely considered apocryphal ravings of a broken saint; chief amongst them a questionable rewriting of the Life of Han Solo and his encounter with the bounty hunter Greedo ...

... followed by the Great Schism aka Prequel Apocrypha ...

(Apocrypha are the biblical books received by the Church as addenda to the Original Trilogy, but not included in Orthodox or Progressive worship, being excluded from the canon. Their position in Star Wars usage has been ambiguous since the Great Schism.)

... the Rise of Palpathleen and the Dark Times is widely considered to be where Saint George's story ends, populated instead by false prophets like Filoni the Pretender and Favreau the Deceiver, Johnson the Destroyer and Abrams the Devourer, amongst others. The presence and domination of these false prophets is now believed by many to indicate the End Times of Star Wars is upon us.

*prays fervently for the liberation of all Deceived during these End Times of Star Wars*

 

[Bravomite]

A scholar could devote a lifetime of study to The Life & Fall From Grace of Saint George.

First Apostasy - Holiday Special; scholars generally agree this was a weak man's descent into temptation and vile sin, but from this debasement a community of disciples -- some of who would go on to sainthood themselves -- arose and helped bring about:

Redemption & Sainthood - The Empire Strikes Back

Lost Years - Return of the Jedi; it was here that St. George began to lose his way again although the decline was slow; many pinpoint this as the moment that Palpathleen began whispering in his ear.

Second Apostasy - The Ewok Adventure & Battle For Endor; generally considered as debased as the First but not as vile, written at a remove from the Original Canon.

... 1997's amendment to the scriptures now widely considered apocryphal ravings of a broken saint; chief amongst them a questionable rewriting of the Life of Han Solo and his encounter with the bounty hunter Greedo ...

... followed by the Great Schism aka Prequel Apocrypha ...

(Apocrypha are the biblical books received by the Church as addenda to the Original Trilogy, but not included in Orthodox or Progressive worship, being excluded from the canon. Their position in Star Wars usage has been ambiguous since the Great Schism.)

... the Rise of Palpathleen and the Dark Times is widely considered to be where Saint George's story ends, populated by instead by false prophets like Filoni the Pretender and Favreau the Deceiver, Johnson the Destroyer and Abrams the Devourer, amongst others. The presence and domination of these false prophets is now believed by many to indicate the End Times of Star Wars is upon us.

*prays fervently for the liberation of all Deceived during these End Times of Star Wars*

Who knew that the 'War' in Star Wars would come to define the internal battles between the fanbase, the external battles between fans and the current 'custodians' of IP, fans and the media and most importantly the endless war between Khev and AJP over BOBF.

Followers of the Khev ideology have perhaps the toughest time of all as they never know on a daily basis what their chief Khev may decry as being excommunicated from his Star Wars canon or worse included (or indeed which one of his canon's he is following at that time)... pray for poor Jye it has been a difficult time for him what with BOBF and all (rumour has it he was last seen secretly attending service at the holy seat of AJP clutching a black series boba fett figure).

 

[ZE_501]

@Bravomite cultists and splinter sects are another sign of the End Times. Although for all practical purposes you're a Pantheist, as a Progressive I can at least see where you're coming from. Cultists like @Khev should serve as a cautionary tale.

Let us pray.

 

[Khev]

I'll address this ROTJ section first, and then I'll go into my response about the unquoted remainder regarding BOBF and why I think it's a totally different deal.

There was a ton of footage shot for that ROTJ Fett scene, and most of it was cut. That photo you attached looks nothing like what made the actual movie. If you want to see where Boba Fett was aiming when he landed in the final cut that we got (which is what I go by, obviously) it was this:

View attachment 564123

I encourage you to watch the scene and see for yourself. And if you're wondering what I'm getting at with all this, there have been rough storyboard drawings that are rumored to be legit which show Boba Fett actually shooting Chewbacca (yes, *connecting*) first thing. What we see in the movie looks to me like it's still Boba aiming at Chewie, but they had Luke slice the blaster before a shot could be fired.

To me, it's clear as crystal that Fett wasn't aiming at Luke. If you want to disagree, that's fine with me, but I hope you can at least understand why I see it the way I do (especially if you're willing to consider how the sequence may have been originally planned via the rumored storyboards). And you can see the allegedly legit storyboard drawing here:

https://www.bobafettfanclub.com/mul...rpics/10001/rotj-storyboard-draft-page-24.jpg
All I can do is try to make sense of what the scene shows me. And what I see is Fett aiming at Chewie, then Luke slicing his blaster, then Fett *not* using lethal force on Luke when he could have. I take all of that and make the best sense of it that I can. And that's the interpretation I posted earlier. If you see it as incompetence instead of intention, I don't blame you one bit! Most (maybe all) fans do as well. Just not me. What can I tell you?

But even if I saw that scene the way you do, it was *one* scene that would piss me off, and not an entire series full of stupid moments that pissed me off. You justify those moments because you liked this show and what it set out to accomplish. I didn't. And because I didn't, I have no interest in justifying things that I perceive as poorly conceived and horribly executed. That's not the case with ROTJ, which is (and always has been) an enjoyable watch for me where the things that bother some don't bother me much, if at all.

Now, the BoBF view.

Your words don't fall on deaf ears with me, and I'm not dismissing your take when I disagree with it. But all I can do is acknowledge that you're being genuine and sincere about your views and interpretations. What I *can't* do is agree with your interpretations if I genuinely and sincerely have a polar opposite takeaway. And if you want my honest opinion, I thought the show was awful for most of the first 4 episodes, and hit all new lows for stupidity via plot conveniences in the finale. I found it insultingly lazy in that respect, and in its setup-to-payoff aspects with plenty of contrivances used. That doesn't make me right or wrong, it just expresses my honest opinion.

The number of instances in that finale that had me saying, "Oh come on! That's so stupid!" were staggering!

In total, where you see a compelling character arc, I see a sloppy mess of incongruous associations. Where you see Boba Fett's motivations being well defined, I see a guy who wanted proper tribute payoffs one minute, and then claimed that he didn't care about money an episode or two later. You see a guy who was motivated to change his life, and I see a guy who must've suffered from Stockholm syndrome after being *enslaved* and later didn't even understand his own motivations or what his actual agenda was from the throne. Even after the conclusion of the season, I have no idea what Boba Fett wants. Is it to be a caretaker for Mos Espa? If so, how did spending time with his inner circle get him there from taking over the throne of a crime lord?

He was a nice guy pretty much the whole way through; even as a slave of the Tuskens he showed compassion on more than one occasion. It just makes no sense to me. And apart from that, it's a complete 180 degrees from what would ever make me interested in seeing a show about Boba Fett. Why the hell would I want one of my favorite villains to go soft and turn over a new leaf without getting to see him be a bad guy first? I didn't spend years imagining Boba Fett the bounty hunter to then get a show about him and be glad to get a 60-year-old man tumble around in his underwear, snort lizards, walk the desert for a tree branch, tell a Bantha to go make babies, lower the price of water in the town, and recruit cyberpunks without any demonstrable qualifications to be in his posse. The whole thing was just bizarre.

I'm hoping that what little you know about me via these threads is enough to understand that I'm not a hater. In fact, I haven't been riding higher on SW in the last 5 years than I was after episode 6. But that finale made me feel embarrassed to be a fan. When the mechanic rolled through a warzone with Grogu on a rickshaw, I might've actually flipped off my screen in disgust. I don't want to see that kind of sitcom absurdity when I'm supposed to be feeling tension over a key battle. It has a lot to do with why I hated Jar Jar and his antics. I can't tolerate that crap because the OT never played to me like an episode of Three's Company, and I never want it to. This show, being a Saturday morning cartoon in terms of plot logic and absurdities, is not my brand of SW and never will be.

I don't say any of this to diminish your point of view. Your take is entirely as valid as mine. If I went through each of your rationalizations, I'd just be offering you what I base my contrasting opinions on. I think you just have certain preferences and tolerances that I don't which allow you to see gold where all I see is mud. It's not because I'm failing to apply justifications like I do for the movies/shows that I enjoy; it's that so much of this series turned me off that there's no reason or desire at all for me to try to reframe the dozens of objections that I have. It's just too much to overcome; and again, this style of cartoony SW will never sit well with me.

Make no mistake, I prefer that you enjoy it. I'm not someone who needs my misery to have company. The way SW has been making me feel is something I don't need other fans to feel. You're not wrong for liking BoBF, and you state perfectly valid interpretations of the same plot points and themes that I thought were underwhelming or just flat-out bad. It happens. I hope you can continue to enjoy the new stuff just as much going forward. Maybe it'll eventually rub off on some of the rest of us.

I know that that Sarlacc scene obviously wasn't a film still but like you I posted it to give an additional picture of what was intended for that scene. Obviously only what appeared on film "counts" but I always took Fett raising his blaster as pointing it at Luke (the only unbound and armed threat on the skiff) and not Chewie. Since his gun is raised a little bit when Luke chops it you could certainly imagine it as aiming at Chewie. For me it still raises all the same tactical questions (why not blast Chewie from the safety of the barge, etc.) and calls into question why he would aim at a shackled Wookiee when a freaking Jedi with a swinging lightsaber is four feet away but eh, I don't see any need to belabor the point, like your response to my interpretation of BOBF, I understand it even if I don't agree with it.

Going back to BOBF my last mega-post will probably serve as my definitive take on the series (randomly posted in the Obi-Wan thread, lol) which was fun to fully elaborate on even if it doesn't appear that anyone else is on board with my take. But with SW having so many different takes and offshoots obviously there will be things that pop up that we don't agree on. It'll be interesting to see how Kenobi turns out!

 

[Khev]

@Bravomite cultists and splinter sects are another sign of the End Times. Although for all practical purposes you're a Pantheist, as a Progressive I can at least see where you're coming from. Cultists like @Khev should serve as a cautionary tale.

Let us pray.

I don't think this cult is really getting off the ground, lol.

"BOBF freaking rocks, who's with me!"

 

[Wor-Gar]

"BOBF freaking rocks, who's with me!"

 

[The Buffinator]

"BOBF freaking rocks, who's with me!"

Gotta love this minimalist (non) response.

Sorry Khev, but you & ajp lost the rest of us several dissertations ago. I fear that you're both suffering from terminal darthkostis....

 

[Khev]

Sorry Khev, but you & ajp lost the rest of us several dissertations ago.

 

[Khev]

Getting back to Kenobi, lol.

 

[ZE_501]

I usually don't feel comfortable mocking real people with the misfortune to become memes, but ...



... hope dude got ... therapy or something.

 

[Khev]

I usually don't feel comfortable mocking real people with the misfortune to become memes, but ...



... hope dude got ... therapy or something.

Well he did get Mark Hamill to come to his defense IIRC so I'm sure he appreciated the limelight at least for that. But yeah definitely not something that I'd want to be known for, lol.

 

[ZE_501]

Well he did get Mark Hamill to come to his defense IIRC so I'm sure he appreciated the limelight at least for that. But yeah definitely not something that I'd want to be known for, lol.

If I was Mark I would too. The Internet is a vicious place filled with cowardly bullies, and maybe dude had actual issues, I don't know. But it doesn't change my overall reaction as not-Mark Hamill to what I perceive as a modern sickness wherein we're all soft and comfy enough to take fandom and blow it out of all proportion. Disney just licks its chops.

 

[Wor-Gar]

The Internet is a vicious place filled with cowardly bullies

You're all weak.

Someone puts themselves out there like this, they deserve their "fame"...