Breaking Bad

[meth head]

That episode blew my mind! Even though I had prepared myself for Hank and Gomey's demise, it was still a shock and pretty sad when it came.

For some reason, and I will be honest and say it, I have no idea why quite a lot of you started to dislike Hank. I personally really liked Hank. I don't quite understand why many people think he also broke bad? Hank was a good-hearted man, who loved his 'family' and went out of his way to do what was morally correct.

I thought Rian Johnson did a superb job with this episode. I especially loved the very beginning.

I was a little surprised at how easy Walter gave up his money

I take it now the neo nazis have that money, effectively they have no reason to cook meth now? I assumed Todd spared Jesse's life to have him cook meth and therefore impress Lydia

It really is going to be another long week

 

[hydrobud]

Spoiler

I'm on a short break so I have not looked through all the post.
it has dawned on me that Walt is not dead but rather, he put on the Heisenberg mask in order to protect skylar from prosecution . he knows the police were there and he understood why she stood her ground and attacked him. he's always loved Skylar despite the fact she banged Ted . he will always protect his family at all cost. my apologies if this thought has already been discussed

 

[Nintenjoe]

I went looking for something else, I found this...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDXTxmUqy80

That was great. The impression is spot on!

I hope the final showdown is at the car wash. I want Walt to say "Have an A1 day" as he's blasting dudes. It'll be his "Say hello to my little friend."

That would be an awesome outtake or alternative cut.

 

[averagejo]

Spoiler

I'm on a short break so I have not looked through all the post.
it has dawned on me that Walt is not dead but rather, he put on the Heisenberg mask in order to protect skylar from prosecution . he knows the police were there and he understood why she stood her ground and attacked him. he's always loved Skylar despite the fact she banged Ted . he will always protect his family at all cost. my apologies if this thought has already been discussed

Yes I agree. I thought he was so angry and distraught that his family turned against him that he lashed out to Skylar on the phone out of pure spitefulness. Now I see what he did that to look like a controlling, abusive meth king to keep her from taking the fall as an accomplice.


Wow I just read a bunch of outlandish spoilers. So off I wonder if someparts could actually happen! A lot is obvious bs, but I can't help but wonder if it was part of the missing script but just got switched up since it was never found in case someone leaked it.
Ill post later.

 

[Deckard]

That episode blew my mind! Even though I had prepared myself for Hank and Gomey's demise, it was still a shock and pretty sad when it came.

For some reason, and I will be honest and say it, I have no idea why quite a lot of you started to dislike Hank. I personally really liked Hank. I don't quite understand why many people think he also broke bad? Hank was a good-hearted man, who loved his 'family' and went out of his way to do what was morally correct.

I thought Rian Johnson did a superb job with this episode. I especially loved the very beginning.

I was a little surprised at how easy Walter gave up his money

I take it now the neo nazis have that money, effectively they have no reason to cook meth now? I assumed Todd spared Jesse's life to have him cook meth and therefore impress Lydia

It really is going to be another long week

Hank did break bad. He is the head of the DEA and running illegal operations using department money. He's not telling his superiors because he wants to avoid repercussions on himself. He's wasting resources and using wiretaps or tracers illegaly against the constitution he's supposed to uphold and without a judge's warrants. He's putting witnesses in danger and flat out saying it'd be great if the witness was murdered. He doesn't follow any proper procedure or call for backup. He knew Walter was trying to murder Jesse and would probably be armed or have help. All because he took what Walt did personally. Nothing Hank has done since his discovery has been heroic. It was all a personal vendetta and it cost him his life. I'm not saying "Hey **** Hank, what a pos." I'm just being realistic. He put himself in that position, he got himself and Gomez killed and Jesse abducted. It was all his half-baked plan and not calling it in for backup and instead making a bragging phone call to his wife that caused his own demise. He did it for his family is a meh arguement, if he were really so desperately concerned for the children he could have called and had them taken out at any time but it'd have ment he'd be in trouble and he didn't want that. He had to figure out a way to take down Walt and protect himself at the same time. Even Skyler knew Hank wasn't all about just helping and was upto no good. "AM I UNDER ARREST?!"

 

[meth head]

Hank did break bad. He is the head of the DEA and running illegal operations using department money. He's not telling his superiors because he wants to avoid repercussions on himself. He's wasting resources and using wiretaps or tracers illegaly against the constitution he's supposed to uphold and without a judge's warrants. He's putting witnesses in danger and flat out saying it'd be great if the witness was murdered. He doesn't follow any proper procedure or call for backup. He knew Walter was trying to murder Jesse and would probably be armed or have help. All because he took what Walt did personally. Nothing Hank has done since his discovery has been heroic. It was all a personal vendetta and it cost him his life. I'm not saying "Hey **** Hank, what a pos." I'm just being realistic. He put himself in that position, he got himself and Gomez killed and Jesse abducted. It was all his half-baked plan and not calling it in for backup and instead making a bragging phone call to his wife that caused his own demise. He did it for his family is a meh arguement, if he were really so desperately concerned for the children he could have called and had them taken out at any time but it'd have ment he'd be in trouble and he didn't want that. He had to figure out a way to take down Walt and protect himself at the same time. Even Skyler knew Hank wasn't all about just helping and was upto no good. "AM I UNDER ARREST?!"

I understand what your saying, but I guess we have different definitions of 'breaking bad'.

Like I said, I don't see what Hank did as 'breaking bad'. I seen it as a passion and a desire to capture a drug lord, meth king. There have been more than a couple of times over the seasons where Hank was told to let the trail go, to move on. It was Hank that knew something wasn't right when Fring died. The DEA was happy to wrap it all up, thinking they had got their man. I certainly don't blame Hank for following his instincts and maybe working outside of the 'legal framework'.

The only time I felt Hank's actions were contorversial/wrong, was baiting Jesse to capture Walt. He knew full well that could end in Jesse's demise, but he didn't care in the least. I am actually not a massive fan of Jeese's character, but I realise that is the wrong course of action to take.

Gomez is a very straight laced character, yet he supported Hank. Sometimes there was a little friction, but he knows Hank is a good man, out to get justice. Gomez would not have been side by side with Hank in the dessert if he was not happy and supportive of Hank's plans.

Skylar was just being overprotective in the diner. That has no reflection on Hank. She just wanted to protect Walt, and by asking if she was under arrest, meant she could walk away and take stock. I don't think that has anything to do with Hank if I am being honest.

 

[Deckard]

Both Walter and Hank start off with the best intentions and both become so corrupted by their own egos they break bad. That's how I see it.

Hank was investigating Walter for 5 seasons with no idea and had almost died several times as a result. The punch in the face, not calling it in, letting Jesse live in his own home and not some random motel. Hank absolutely took this all personal and in order to "catch a meth dealer" broke the law and became a criminal himself. Illegal wiretaps, tracers, Jesse with no lawyer. All because he was desperate to find any evidance because if he didn't his *** was the one on the chopping block. He didn't want to lose his job so he was willing to lie and even let Jesse and other innocent civilians in public at the square be put in danger. And Walts done. He knows this for a fact because thats why he had no evidance, he isn't cooking anymore, so he's not out to get meth off the street, thats bs. It's personal, he's not gonna get away with it stuff. Hank is so blind and desperate for anything he lets Jesse's vendetta drive him into half cocked plans to enrage Walt when he knows he's already trying to kill Jesse. Even if Hank had succeeded Saul could have had a field day with so many breaches of proper procedure I kinda doubt that Walt would have even made it to trial, you know if he weren't also dying of cancer which Hank also knew. I feel Skyler realised this clearly at the Diner, that Hank wasn't being himself and only wants revenge and that was when she began to act out.

If Walt died and than it came out that Hank was going to parties and bbqs with him and Walt was Heisenberg, Hank himself said he'd have been done at the DEA. A cop became a criminal and broke the law to settle a vendetta and got himself into that situation where he was killed. If a cop breaks the law, it isn't evening the odds, it's changing who he is forever and compromising all of his values and morales. THat is breaking bad.

 

[CelticPredator]

Hank was willing to let someone who was helping him willingly die.....he crossed the line.

 

[meth head]

Hank was willing to let someone who was helping him willingly die.....he crossed the line.

That is the only time I didn't agree with Hank. That is where he crossed the line for me. The rest, I see that as him doing his job, inside or outside the 'legal framework'.

 

[Deckard]

Then you have some terribly misguided ideas about what is or isn't ok for a man running a government agency and sworn to uphold the law to do. The fact is the moment Hank put an illegal tracer on Walt's car without a warrant he lost the case. The only way Hank could have actually kept Walter in jail would have been to lie through his teeth.

 

[averagejo]

For Hank I feel it was a personal vendetta to capture Walt as soon as he figured out he was Heisenberg. He no longer cared about the accolades of the capturing the biggest meth king around, because deep down he knew his career would be over. With Marie taking the money and the fact that Walt was right under his nose all along Hank didn't care anymore about the law really and that's why I think he used whatever means possible at any expense (Jesse's life) to capture Walt. Hank felt the end justified the means at whatever cost.

 

[Deckard]

Walters not selling, cooking, teaching people to cook. He's not hurting his kids, or his wife. He's running a car wash and dying painfully. There is no reason Hank needs to take him down the way he does short of ego. He made Hank look like an ******* for several years, even though in reality Walter is the reason Hank is where he is.

 

[batfan08]

"In the end, minerals collected Mr.Schrader."

 

[CelticPredator]

"Walt....you're the smartest guy I know. And you're too stupid to see... He made up his mind 10 minutes ago..."




"Do what you gotta d-BANG"....

 

[meth head]

Why is Hank's career at the DEA over because his brother in law is Heisenberg? I never did quite understand that. Is he guilty through association? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If nobody else was suspicious that Walt was Heisenberg, why would Hank be any different?

 

[batfan08]

I haz a sad, now. Hank had an ego, and, in the end, nothing good can come of obsession, but he was still a good man.

 

[batfan08]

Why is Hank's career at the DEA over because his brother in law is Heisenberg? I never did quite understand that. Is he guilty through association? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If nobody else was suspicious that Walt was Heisenberg, why would Hank be any different?

I think it was more about reputation; "the biggest Meth Kingpin in New Mexico was having dinner with you for years, and you couldn't see it?"

 

[316what]

Why is Hank's career at the DEA over because his brother in law is Heisenberg? I never did quite understand that. Is he guilty through association? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If nobody else was suspicious that Walt was Heisenberg, why would Hank be any different?

Hank and Marie took meth money from Walt and Skylar.

And the family association between Hank and Walt is enough. Hank has been hunting Heisenberg for years while he's been right under his nose. It just smells of a cover up to everyone outside the viewers.

 

[Deckard]

Why is Hank's career at the DEA over because his brother in law is Heisenberg? I never did quite understand that. Is he guilty through association? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If nobody else was suspicious that Walt was Heisenberg, why would Hank be any different?

Because the rest of the agency was going to Walt's house and giving him updates about the case. They weren't running the arm of the DEA charged with capturing their own brotherinlaw who they dine with every week. Combine it with Walt's "confession" and it'd be more than enough to bring down heavy suspicion. Now say Hank had succeeded, again he'd have to lie about illegal wiretapping, not giving Jesse a lawyer, lying to Huell, saul's bodyguard, and about when he found out and how he apprehended him.

If you're gf and best friend had an affair for 5 years and suddenly everyone knew, you don't think everyone would think you were a little dense? Now imagine you were supposed to be a great detective on top of it. So good you got the promotion over others who wanted it to head of people tasked with finding drug dealers.

 

[meth head]

Walters not selling, cooking, teaching people to cook. He's not hurting his kids, or his wife. He's running a car wash and dying painfully. There is no reason Hank needs to take him down the way he does short of ego. He made Hank look like an ******* for several years, even though in reality Walter is the reason Hank is where he is.

Are you kidding me? Did you skip over a couple of seasons or something?

You don't think ordering the hit on 9 of them prisoners warrants Hank taking him down the way he does?

He knows Walt was responsible for the phone call he received about Marie's tragic accident, leading him away from the RV. That was a dirt *****king trick.

He also knows Walt was in some way responsible for the killing of Gail.

He would also be smart to think that he was responsible for the attack on him by the twins.

What more do you need out of curiosity?