Cinemaquette - Darth Vader

[demorathis]

Seriously? Look at the back of the helmet, how high it sits. It's too short.

Sorry man, the more I look at your comparison photos, the more I think you've been smoking some cones.

If you think the CM pic below is the same as the shot from the film, your eyes must be painted on...

Didn't say it was the same as the pic above just merely to show the differences as now you are reading into things...and getting punchy...plus the attakus seems to be the weak on of this group...despite the pose...

 

[demorathis]

I've not seen it in real life, so I can't give an educated comment on the stance, but in the photos it looks off. However, I could probably live with the stance if they had have got the helmet right.

Here's my issues, highlighted with red dots.

Helmet sits too high with a clearly visible short back lip.
Because of the above, the back "clamp" things are visible.
Even on my SSC Diplomatic Mission the eyes are painted to have the correct "red" tint.
The face looks likes it has been pulled (stretched) forward as seen on the "cheeks" and again, highlighted below (and yes, I know the photo is on a different angle to the film shot, but the cheek shape is clearly different).

Saying all that... the finish (paint apps, etc) look amazing.

The anh helmet is different than the esb ...the ESB does sit higher..can someone who knows how to freeze frame that scene when vader enters echo base for the first time pls post his pic...the helmet sits higher...

That don bies assembled helmet from lucasfilm sold for charity sits higher...

Your comparison is flawed as the angles are different in relation to camera both rotation and low vs high...not o mention the way the paint is on the esb correctly so the silver doesn't align to the nose contour correctly as does the Anh which is a big paint difference...also the
This is an exact scan of the face and i do mean exact...down to the tiny s curve in the cheek...but it isn't have the crispness of a life sized mask so edges are rounder...

I said the helmet is indeed seated higher in the figure but its not something we've never seen...seated correctly it sits above the shoulders, but realistically due to the weight and the wide neck it sits closer to the shoulders as there is no rear neck brace like the cm or rots helmet...

 

[demorathis]

No offence dude, but you can justify it all you want; I personally don't see Vader in this piece...ESPECIALLY for the horrendous price, I would expect something far more accurate.

The helmet sits WAY too high - even above his eyes you can see it. Plus the length of the back looks too short, hence the bob haircut. Even your photo above with the Mythos version next to it, highlights how short the back is.

His shoulders sit too low and make him look like a skinny dork is wearing the suit.

He's too puny overall and does not convey the strength of Vader. Look at the photo I posted of Vader and you can see there is a huge, solid, body builder under there.

And the stance is a joke - again, it doesn't convey strength, it conveys someone who is uncoordinated, who is trying to look tuff, and be powerful.

But hey, that's just me.

Btw the mythos is just as short in the dome...now you're just splitting hairs

 

[demorathis]

Here is vader with a seeming short dome. It's rare that we see this placement of the helmet, but here it is... A real screen shot...ESB

 

[Mandible]

Here is vader with a seeming short dome. It's rare that we see this placement of the helmet, but here it is... A real screen shot...ESB

All really good points you've mentioned, and no arguments here.

This shot above is both revealing and interesting; and as this is the only shot where Vader looks like this in all three of the OT films, then CM should have based their statue off the more "normal" look - the look that everyone normally associates Vader to look like.

But anyway, enough said. The main thing is that the owners are enjoying it...

 

[demorathis]

In terms of the faces cheek being stretched, its merely the angle n paint apps which are variable...the face is almost identical here...the face is closer than any licensed vader figure to date...because it is an untampered direct scan from LFL archives of a production prop...provided by LFL...not one of gentle giant's tweaked scans

 

[demorathis]

All really good points you've mentioned, and no arguments here.

This shot above is both revealing and interesting; and as this is the only shot where Vader looks like this in all three of the OT films, then CM should have based their statue off the more "normal" look - the look that everyone normally associates Vader to look like.

But anyway, enough said. The main thing is that the owners are enjoying it...

Correct andlook at the pic on the right...dome looks longer...it's part of the same continuous shot...the main reason vader s helmet is not lower on the cm is because it cannot be...not with a neck brace on the back...the esb n Jedi and any helms sit lower bc there's no neck brace to prevent it from sitting lower ...til the reveal

That said I wouldn't say it's based on this scene but rather the natural idea that the neck sits on the shoulders...truth be told, vaders neck always sat at and below shoulder height...contrary to what logic would automatically dictate...

If you've ever worn a don post helmet, it will invariably sit lower on your shoulders by there's no rear brace

Wear the rots version n it will sit higher on your shoulders...

Not to mention vaders cape at the nape has a subtle hump obvious in most shots, likely to hide the actors neck ...or could be an illusion of the shoulder armour's bunching the fabric...

This cm really has to be seen up close part of the warping is size compared to the lens it's basically a miniature vader so it'll warp the way the 1/10 artfx koto looks far worse under the non telephoto lens ...

It is really a sight to behold without the camera distortion...

 

[Mandible]

Correct andlook at the pic on the right...dome looks longer...it's part of the same continuous shot...the main reason vader s helmet is not lower on the cm is because it cannot be...not with a neck brace on the back...the esb n Jedi and any helms sit lower bc there's no neck brace to prevent it from sitting lower ...til the reveal

That said I wouldn't say it's based on this scene but rather the natural idea that the neck sits on the shoulders...truth be told, vaders neck always sat at and below shoulder height...contrary to what logic would automatically dictate...

If you've ever worn a don post helmet, it will invariably sit lower on your shoulders by there's no rear brace

Wear the rots version n it will sit higher on your shoulders...

Not to mention vaders cape at the nape has a subtle hump obvious in most shots, likely to hide the actors neck ...or could be an illusion of the shoulder armour's bunching the fabric...

This cm really has to be seen up close part of the warping is size compared to the lens it's basically a miniature vader so it'll warp the way the 1/10 artfx koto looks far worse under the non telephoto lens ...

It is really a sight to behold without the camera distortion...

Cool. Where's my invite over to your place to have a look?

 

[demorathis]

Cool. Where's my invite over to your place to have a look?

Unfortunately mine had to go back into storage since I moved

I only took pics of the helmeted variations n head but its on my other phone so I will try to post in a couple ...check out one of our fellow cm collector's vids on YouTube... amazing display

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oncuFEJObTQ[/ame]

Sorry it's from my tablet hopefully the link works

Or just do a cinemaquette vader search ... Still enjoyable

 

[Patriot666]

Here is vader with a seeming short dome. It's rare that we see this placement of the helmet, but here it is... A real screen shot...ESB

Thanks for posting these screen shots demorathis. I just watched ESB, and I noticed different helmets. I'm no expert, but those pics make this CM look spot on to me. Do you own the Koto 1/10 Cloud City Vader? I'm thinking of buying one to make a diorama. I love the sculpt and pose...and price..on that one.

 

[chRd]

funny how then the CM opted to go with a vader helmet that's not the popular / iconic one. had that screenshot been the vader that's shown in 80% (yea yea rough figure) of the movies, he would've been excluded from the all-time favorite villains

 

[demorathis]

funny how then the CM opted to go with a vader helmet that's not the popular / iconic one. had that screenshot been the vader that's shown in 80% (yea yea rough figure) of the movies, he would've been excluded from the all-time favorite villains

It's not that simple...logic dictates that the neck rests on the shoulders like any design

Vader did not actually have a rear neck portion like in the reveal (and the cm) and thus sits below the shoulder line...
so that defies the natural logic of placing the helmet at the "correct" position when the reality is contradictory to what you would naturally expect.

Just so happens that the actor has the helmet pushed up against his neck in the shot...perhaps it's not dave prowse in the shot, could be an insert with bob Anderson ?

Either way if you've ever worn a don post helmet it can sit right on your shoulders or sag below like in most shots

In fact when vader first enters tantive iv in anh it sits higher as well...check it out

An iconic scene ironically same type
Invading the rebels' hiding places...

 

[demorathis]

Thanks for posting these screen shots demorathis. I just watched ESB, and I noticed different helmets. I'm no expert, but those pics make this CM look spot on to me. Do you own the Koto 1/10 Cloud City Vader? I'm thinking of buying one to make a diorama. I love the sculpt and pose...and price..on that one.

I do own the cloud city vader...well all vaders from koto ...they have a real knack for vader but their Sith version is pretty weak...they couldn't get the gist of that one but it feels more ot...

The artfx+ figures are really worth buying... and displaying if course

I posted some comparisons in the rebelscum koto thread...

https://forum.rebelscum.com/t1066213-17/

 

[demorathis]

Here's vader's very first appearance in anh...in comparison
Domes not too low here is it? He is not bowing his head either since he is essentially bending at the waist but thats a minor variable since his helmet looked like this in the whole scene...But it is short in other shots and oftentimes longer looking in different frames in the same shot like in the ESB echo base invasion shot...the angles of the dome are also tricky especially when the front edge of the dome's skirt seems to continue into the bottom edge, it appears

Both bottom right right pics:
This slightly lower angle of helmet, despite the high placement if the helmet (like the ss bust) appears to have a longer dome as the front edge of the dome's skirt slides smoothly into the bottom edge...

 

[chRd]

good point. just the same, if there's talk about something being off, then there probably is, either with the head or his arms - regardless of what it is, since there's a need to put certain references to it. it's going be about preference at the end of the day since I have yet to own the definitive vader collectible (well excluding of course the eFX vader helm). like some of us here, you can never have to many vaders but this is one thing i will have to pass. good statue though.

 

[Mandible]

good point. just the same, if there's talk about something being off, then there probably is, either with the head or his arms - regardless of what it is, since there's a need to put certain references to it. it's going be about preference at the end of the day since I have yet to own the definitive vader collectible (well excluding of course the eFX vader helm). like some of us here, you can never have to many vaders but this is one thing i will have to pass. good statue though.

GREAT point. I've got that helmet as well and no one (in their right mind) could criticize it (other than the usual eFX quality/shipping issues).

It is superb, and personifies Vader to me. I also agree that no one has made the definitive version of him yet, but if I were spending $2500, I would want it pretty damn close. The bob haircut and puny arm would do my head in.

Again, gents... each to their own.

 

[woozie0]

Does CM ship to Canada? Im really considering this and was trying to get a quote on their site by doing up an order but Canada didn't show up...

 

[demorathis]

Does CM ship to Canada? Im really considering this and was trying to get a quote on their site by doing up an order but Canada didn't show up...

They should, they ship everywhere else it seems...
But if you do want it, better get a move on cuz there's gonna be less of these than even the legend eFx vader...although personally I'd prioritize a legend efx before this one if I were you...if you can find one close to retail...they are fetching almost double the price these days

 

[woozie0]

They should, they ship everywhere else it seems...
But if you do want it, better get a move on cuz there's gonna be less of these than even the legend eFx vader...although personally I'd prioritize a legend efx before this one if I were you...if you can find one close to retail...they are fetching almost double the price these days

Thx. Ya, I missed out on the Legend efx helmet and now it's gonna cost me...

 

[Patriot666]

Does CM ship to Canada? Im really considering this and was trying to get a quote on their site by doing up an order but Canada didn't show up...

You should give them a call to find out if CM ships to Canada, but it looks like US only..

https://www.cinemaquette.com/dealers