DarkArtist's End of the Line Thread

[Mesa]

Re: DarkArtist's Creations of DOOM!

Note to self: Never try and do awesome custom work and take orders. Seems like a lot of work, a lot of complaints and drama to deal with, and overall a pretty crappy gig.

Good luck Josh on keeping everyone happy.

 

[barryo]

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i like killer turtles

 

[uscmhicks]

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i like killer turtles

Holy crap !.

 

[KBA]

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For the love of the holidays, give this man a rest. He has been beaten, broken, and bloodied. The holidays are already stressful. From what DA has been saying, the stress of his work-load/failure is taking tolls on his CNS.

It's the holidays, leave him be.

 

[uscmhicks]

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For the love of the holidays, give this man a rest. He has been beaten, broken, and bloodied. The holidays are already stressful. From what DA has been saying, the stress of his work-load/failure is taking tolls on his CNS.

It's the holidays, leave him be.

I agree with this.
Try and have a good christmas DA.

 

[kl241]

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Thanks for the update Josh, I wish you could have just told me that earlier. Please keep me up to date. Happy holidays.

 

[zeiss]

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Josh, my heart goes out to you. You have always seemed like a good guy and I have enjoyed my business dealings with you. While I know this is an extremely difficult time, please keep in mind that mistakes can be opportunities for growth and learning. They don't make you a failure if you learn from them. We have all made a million mistakes and each of has probably made one as big as yours (though perhaps not as public). It is not out mistakes that necessarily define whether we are failures (with some exceptions) but rather where each of us go from them.

 

[uscmhicks]

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Josh, my heart goes out to you. You have always seemed like a good guy and I have enjoyed my business dealings with you. While I know this is an extremely difficult time, please keep in mind that mistakes can be opportunities for growth and learning. They don't make you a failure if you learn from them. We have all made a million mistakes and each of has probably made one as big as yours (though perhaps not as public). It is not out mistakes that necessarily define whether we are failures (with some exceptions) but rather where each of us go from them.

excellent post. Thats the best outlook possible for this situation.
Hang in there Josh , you still have friends on here and always will.

 

[TurdFerguson]

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I don't think you're a failure at all.

 

[Badism]

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Are you guys kidding me? This is what you get when you wait for a DA masterpiece. He's the king!

Where you going to buy this stuff? Nowhere. I waited a long-ass time too and it was worth every single month. Unless you're going to die next week just relax and chill. He's a young guy who got in a little over his head, but he's a good person and you will get what you were promised. If you try to pressure him or rush him you may not get his best work and that would be a huge shame, but you'll only have yourself to blame. Believe me, I do understand where you guys are coming from, but you have to just wait. When you get what you paid for you'll be so happy and you'll be apologizing to Josh.

Make him feel good and just apologize now and let him know there's no pressure. You'll be glad you did in the end. Trust me.

Even if it takes another year it's worth it.

 

[praxitas]

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I own a DA masterpiece as well and there is no way he is not finishing my Indy PF heads. My son asks me every once in awhile why Indy doesn't have a head and I tell him true art takes time. I haven't waited as long as some but I'm just as eager. As long as I know I'm getting them I'm cool.

Josh when you get back on here though when can you ship that maxi kit up north??

 

[ProgMatinee]

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Even if it takes another year it's worth it.

I just don't understand why you guys do this to yourselves. Sure its great work, but the problem is people simply accept that "art takes time". Never mind that some items get forgotten about or skipped over for who knows why and cash is continually accepted and the lines keep getting longer.

Paying up front is stupid to begin with, but paying up front AND sending your INDY PF head to sit in someone's drawer for a year? Stupidest thing I ever heard in my life. Since you picked up that Indy PF the value has probably crashed by $50 at least and Indy has cooled to beyond freezing. You just missed out on dispaying Indy for its most exciting time in 15 years. Congrats!

Why in the world couldn't he just say, hey I will do it as soon as I can and when I have time I will let you know and you can Fed Ex me the head at that time. Instead you're left with an undisplayable piece for months. Absurdity.

 

[Badism]

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I say that knowing full well it's not going to take another year. After all, he's not taking new orders.

 

[Reinhardt]

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It kills me to read your posts of late Josh. What started as a really fun hobby has turned into an act of torture. Hang in there bro, and try to stay positive (I know, easier said than done) - you still have a lot of people that believe in you, and while you may be disappointed in yourself, simply feeling sorry for yourself isn't going to help the situation. I imagine once you are past your feelings of guilt and anger, you will start to feel better, which will be reflected in the quantity and quality of your work.

 

[ProgMatinee]

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obama didn't solve it like he said he would did he?

 

[Badism]

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I just don't understand why you guys do this to yourselves. Sure its great work, but the problem is people simply accept that "art takes time". Never mind that some items get forgotten about or skipped over for who knows why and cash is continually accepted and the lines keep getting longer.

Paying up front is stupid to begin with, but paying up front AND sending your INDY PF head to sit in someone's drawer for a year? Stupidest thing I ever heard in my life. Since you picked up that Indy PF the value has probably crashed by $50 at least and Indy has cooled to beyond freezing. You just missed out on dispaying Indy for its most exciting time in 15 years. Congrats!

Why in the world couldn't he just say, hey I will do it as soon as I can and when I have time I will let you know and you can Fed Ex me the head at that time. Instead you're left with an undisplayable piece for months. Absurdity.

He screwed up, he knows it and he's apologized. What else can he do but try to finish everyones stuff and live his life. He's not taking new orders, he's on the right track to sorting this out. Most people don't give a crap about hot times to display. Hell most my stuff is from old movies only guys like us care about. Nobody missed a window of display opportunity.

 

[praxitas]

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Paying up front is stupid to begin with, but paying up front AND sending your INDY PF head to sit in someone's drawer for a year? Stupidest thing I ever heard in my life. Since you picked up that Indy PF the value has probably crashed by $50 at least and Indy has cooled to beyond freezing. You just missed out on dispaying Indy for its most exciting time in 15 years. Congrats!

1. This was the first repaint I ever had done and I did not know what kind of time we were talking.

2. I did not pay up front it was part of a trade including items that I have already received. This is the last thing I'm waiting on.

3. I could give a rats ass if the value of the PF dropped. I got the PF because its a great representation of the character. Trevor did a great job on the sculpt and china did a half ass job on the paint. I am going to display it for me in my movie room. When its done its done. Not one post in this entire thread have I given any indication of being upset. I have other statues standing in his place until its time. So if you think I care about when the HOT time is to display it your sadly mistaken.

Oh and the stupidest thing you could do in your life is throw your two cents into something you don't know the details of..

 

[ProgMatinee]

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i'll admit to being jealous and thats a part of my source of anger here. Josh has been the golden boy of this forum. Every post he made was followed by a dozen gushes. he has talent up the wazoo. he has all the support here anyone can ask for. he has a huge list of clients ready and willing to pay.

but all the accolades and all the praise and all the talent couldn't get him straight and stop taking additional money from people with the belief that the wait would not be so long. I waited a LONG time for my custom and i wasn't one to demand or nag. it is nice, not AMAZING, as I have seen some of his other work, but I don't feel the wait was justified because I think the wait had ZERO impact on the quality. I don't believe for a second he had an artist block that prevented him from painting my Bespin Luke to look just like the others I have seen him do...

i no longer have a dog in this fight outside of "the right thing" and "the right thing" is that people who want money back should get it. the "right thing" is for people who paid and sent items first should get their items back first. "the right thing" is not to always be "whoa is me" because WE ALL have problems. Some of us just deal with it and "do the right" thing. We ask our family to help. We get jobs. We get LOANS. and we pay people back.

How hard is it to go get money from a bank or family or friends to send back to all these people that are heavily complaining? Is it really so hard? Its not like they all come out at once to demand refunds. Its like 2 at a time. Refund the money.

I'm pretty sure I know the details of what the "right thing" is, though admittedly I don't have the knack of speaking the language that would ever have made excuses and allowed me to procrasitnate and delay and utilize people's money while still maintaining so many friends and supporters. I just feel the golden boy status was exploited and thats sad.

Life aint going to get easier with kids either. If you can't afford your life now...god help your family you will need it unless you expect the government to just bail your mistakes in life out.

PS. I guess this anger comes out today because I haven't followed this story in months. And I stumbled upon it today and am in shock that he's still in the same situation as 6 months ago and a year ago and more. People coming out of prison can get their act together quicker than that.

 

[Badism]

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i'll admit to being jealous and thats a part of my source of anger here. Josh has been the golden boy of this forum. Every post he made was followed by a dozen gushes. he has talent up the wazoo. he has all the support here anyone can ask for. he has a huge list of clients ready and willing to pay.

but all the accolades and all the praise and all the talent couldn't get him straight and stop taking additional money from people with the belief that the wait would not be so long. I waited a LONG time for my custom and i wasn't one to demand or nag. it is nice, not AMAZING, as I have seen some of his other work, but I don't feel the wait was justified because I think the wait had ZERO impact on the quality. I don't believe for a second he had an artist block that prevented him from painting my Bespin Luke to look just like the others I have seen him do...

i no longer have a dog in this fight outside of "the right thing" and "the right thing" is that people who want money back should get it. the "right thing" is for people who paid and sent items first should get their items back first. "the right thing" is not to always be "whoa is me" because WE ALL have problems. Some of us just deal with it and "do the right" thing. We ask our family to help. We get jobs. We get LOANS. and we pay people back.

How hard is it to go get money from a bank or family or friends to send back to all these people that are heavily complaining? Is it really so hard? Its not like they all come out at once to demand refunds. Its like 2 at a time. Refund the money.

I'm pretty sure I know the details of what the "right thing" is, though admittedly I don't have the knack of speaking the language that would ever have made excuses and allowed me to procrasitnate and delay and utilize people's money while still maintaining so many friends and supporters. I just feel the golden boy status was exploited and thats sad.

Life aint going to get easier with kids either. If you can't afford your life now...god help your family you will need it unless you expect the government to just bail your mistakes in life out.

This isn't helping, man. The main thing is that he's not trying to screw anybody on purpose. He made mistakes. Isn't not taking anymore orders and trying to finish the work a good thing?

He doesn't respond well to negativity. The "kick in the ass" mentallity doesn't work with most people in real life and only causes depression. If you no longer have any stake in this and are only going to be negative then why not stay out of this all togethor? It's perfectly normal for people to support people they like. For my part I'm just trying to tell people that yes, it's sucky, big time sucky they had to wait this long, but they will get their stuff eventually. I did and it was real good.

If I was in his place I wouldn't be able to borrow jack from my A-hole relatives and have little to no collateral for a bank. If Josh doesn't have the money for $1000 in refunds then all he can do is finish the work and it seems to me that is what he is doing.

 

[DarkArtist81]

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i'll admit to being jealous and thats a part of my source of anger here. Josh has been the golden boy of this forum. Every post he made was followed by a dozen gushes. he has talent up the wazoo. he has all the support here anyone can ask for. he has a huge list of clients ready and willing to pay.

but all the accolades and all the praise and all the talent couldn't get him straight and stop taking additional money from people with the belief that the wait would not be so long. I waited a LONG time for my custom and i wasn't one to demand or nag. it is nice, not AMAZING, as I have seen some of his other work, but I don't feel the wait was justified because I think the wait had ZERO impact on the quality. I don't believe for a second he had an artist block that prevented him from painting my Bespin Luke to look just like the others I have seen him do...

i no longer have a dog in this fight outside of "the right thing" and "the right thing" is that people who want money back should get it. the "right thing" is for people who paid and sent items first should get their items back first. "the right thing" is not to always be "whoa is me" because WE ALL have problems. Some of us just deal with it and "do the right" thing. We ask our family to help. We get jobs. We get LOANS. and we pay people back.

How hard is it to go get money from a bank or family or friends to send back to all these people that are heavily complaining? Is it really so hard? Its not like they all come out at once to demand refunds. Its like 2 at a time. Refund the money.

I'm pretty sure I know the details of what the "right thing" is, though admittedly I don't have the knack of speaking the language that would ever have made excuses and allowed me to procrasitnate and delay and utilize people's money while still maintaining so many friends and supporters. I just feel the golden boy status was exploited and thats sad.

Life aint going to get easier with kids either. If you can't afford your life now...god help your family you will need it unless you expect the government to just bail your mistakes in life out.

PS. I guess this anger comes out today because I haven't followed this story in months. And I stumbled upon it today and am in shock that he's still in the same situation as 6 months ago and a year ago and more. People coming out of prison can get their act together quicker than that.

Wow.... I didn't know you hated me so much man.

I get what you mean, and I respect you for saying it straight and direct. First off... let's approach the loan aspect. Some of us just can't get loans. My credit is horrible, I have nothing to use as leverage and have been turned down for debt consolidation and any other form of loan outside of school loans. So that is a non issue for me, I can't fix it that way.

And nobody has asked for a refund outside of my lost figure, so it doesn't even matter. I've told anyone that wants one to do it though, with the knowledge that I would pay them back however I could.

Also, you don't know me man. You don't know my situation. I can't ask my family for anything, they are a cobbled together group of drug addicts and failures. I'm the one that got away and didn't get pulled down by the legacy. As for doing the "right" thing. ???? you... I do the right thing, I've offered to do WHATEVER necessary to right my wrongs here. I've all but offered my soul to get out of this situation.

As for the figure, and my lack of perfection... that WAS artist's block. I don't care if you don't understand. Ask a professional athlete if they can be perfect every single time they swing a bat, run for a 75 yd touchdown or throw a perfect pass... They will tell you it depends on the day, how they were feeling, the team around them, etc. I'm in a slump, the most severe of my life.

And I NEVER exploited people on this site, I always expected to be able to do the work and get it out to those that paid. Don't try to think you can understand this situation because you read about it here on this web site. I've never given excuses, I gave the truth. I was honest about everything, and have admitted to my failings over and over and over again. I've thought darker thoughts than you can imagine, thought about suicide, this whole mess has caused my Wife and I to have arguments and for me to have multiple complete mental breakdowns.... sobbing on the living room floor... But never once did I blame anyone else but myself. I could be taking orders right ????ing NOW... but I don't. I sell my stuff to pay shipping rather than take anything from anyone, and you call me out here to say I exploited my "golden boy" status. ???? you... you insensitive prick. I never did anything of the sort.

I could have ran off, I could have just taken everything I have right now and never came back. change my internet names, disappear... But I didn't. I have integrity, and I was trusted by those that paid me to do a job. I failed them, and will continue to try and make it right. Don't think for a second that I won't find a way, because I will.