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Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I would like to know what the people who signed the petition against Rotten Tomatoes think after they actually see the film?lol

 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I'm not seeing this movie in theaters. There's too much anecdotal evidence supporting the reports that SS was rushed from the start and had multiple editors which resulted in the mediocrity that WB ultimately decided to release. You only get one opportunity to impress me, so I'll wait for the movie that Ayers wanted to make and not watch the vanilla version.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I made a list with all the songs I heard during the movie but I couldn't figure them all out. A lot of songs are not featured on the album:

The Animals - The House Of The Rising Sun
The Rolling Stones - Sympathy For The Devil
Lesley Gore - You Don't Own Me
Rick James - Superfreak
Skrillex & Rick Ross - Purple Lamborghini
AC/DC - Dirty Deeds Done Dirty Cheap (I think? during Cpt. Boomerang's introduction)
CCR - Fortunate Son
Black Sabbath - Paranoid
Kanye West - Black Skinhead
Eminem - Without Me
Norman Greenbaum - Spirit In The SKey
War - Slippin' into Darkness
Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody
Twenty One Pilots - Heathens
Lil Wayne Wiz Khalifa... - Sucker For Pain
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I'm pretty sure everyone thinks Citizen Kane is boring, but critics love it for some reason.

I really have no expectations for this film, I was pretty underwhelmed by the trailers. I didn't like Man of Steel at all, but I thought BvS was decent.

Not me, I agree with the comment below, which most critics still say to this day. regardless it's usually #1 or #2 in any top movie ever list. The thing is, you have to see th emovie multiple times to appreciate it. A first viewing you will miss most everything. Kinda like Usual Suspects...it gets better with subsequent viewings, Citizen Kane is the same way.

Probably because of all the technical innovations that just about every film after copied and are still used today.

the movie RKO 281 is a movie about the movie being made (Kane) and goes into these aspects. Then re-watch Kane, and you'll be amazed.


The movie flowed better when I saw it the second time. About this whole critics thing, just go see it yourself and decide for yourself if you like it or not. Don't blindly trust critics.

I dunno if I could see ANY movie twice in one day, back to back....

No surprise here.....

DC is sending your check in 2 weeks...

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lol

Guess we'll have to wait to see the complete version of the movie in the form of another "Ultimate Edition". :lol

This will be the absolute last time DC gets to get away with this. That just proves the execs know nothing about film making and should stick to their accounting books instead.

I agree that the DC movies so far haven't been very good, and I don't think Marvel is paying off anyone but I think, because they're mostly family fun films that don't really try to be more than anything but entertaining, reviewers tend to be a lot more lenient when reviewing them. A lot of actual problems with those movies are just glossed over just because the reviewer was entertained and to me that's not what the job of a critic should be. They should be noting what the movie does well and what it does bad, but MCU films aren't really reviewed like that. At least not amongst the YouTube critics.

One thing I did notice this year though, was how Spider-Man's role was praised by critics in CW even though he had no business being in that movie, meanwhile Wolverine's role in Apocalypse was criticized for being shoehorned in and not really making sense.

I don't think there's a conspiracy either. There have been other 'Marvel' movies made before and they were all terrible. Captian America was made once in the 90's IIRC, the first run Fantastic Four movies, Daredevil, Elektra, the Ang Lee Hulk movie, all of them I didn't like, and I wasn't entertained. SOMETHING shifted in the studios behind them, they decided to try to make them better, and I think it began with Iron Man and then Capt. America. First Iron Man I liked, Capt. America i was ambivalent on, but it was entertaining, as was the first Thor which was also pretty good.

DC movies have been made here and there as other Marvel ones have, putting aside the Nolan Batman trilogy (which stands on its own) it feels as if each DC based movie that has come on the heels has been less entertaining to say the least. That to me, can only be blamed on the studios more so than the directors. Yeah I think Snyder's style and writing isn't my cup of tea, but he does some fight sequences ok, but you can't have the movie only held up with that.

And for those reviewers who say Ayer's should have his toys taken away from him, have they seen Fury?

Maybe they're doing it due to the success of the BvS extended cut? :dunno
If that's the case, I really don't want to wait 5+ more months to see the full movie.

This. Unless it's WB's plan to milk it dry totally. Release a mediocre theatrical movie, the die hards will be the 5% of the audience who loves it, we'll take their money but then dangle the carrot of 'the real movie' coming out 6 months later on DVD and rake in those sales.

I'm not seeing this movie in theaters. There's too much anecdotal evidence supporting the reports that SS was rushed from the start and had multiple editors which resulted in the mediocrity that WB ultimately decided to release. You only get one opportunity to impress me, so I'll wait for the movie that Ayers wanted to make and not watch the vanilla version.

If SS fails to impress me, it will put in jeaopardy my viewing of WW next year. If virtually every DC movie that has been made in the last 4 yrs has been meddled with in post production by the execs, that does not bode well for the forthcoming movies in my book. It's not fair to the fans to make them wait for the 'good' version of the movie. I think anyone would be ok with a push back on release date to have a better product the first time round.

IF there is any conspiracy running afoot in Hollywood it's that no one wants to pit any movie against any Star Wars movie. The useless and not needing to be made Avatar sequels have been pushed back to NOT fall on Episode VIII's release, Bloomkamp's 'aliens' sequel has been shelved (well told to wait) so Ridley's movie won't interfere (which is wisely being released in the summer vs. fall again probably to not coincide with Star Wars!) Look at all the upcoming marvel movies, NONE would compete for Star Wars....DC at least looks to be avoiding it as well.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I don't think there's a conspiracy either. There have been other 'Marvel' movies made before and they were all terrible. Captian America was made once in the 90's IIRC, the first run Fantastic Four movies, Daredevil, Elektra, the Ang Lee Hulk movie, all of them I didn't like, and I wasn't entertained. SOMETHING shifted in the studios behind them, they decided to try to make them better, and I think it began with Iron Man and then Capt. America. First Iron Man I liked, Capt. America i was ambivalent on, but it was entertaining, as was the first Thor which was also pretty good.

DC movies have been made here and there as other Marvel ones have, putting aside the Nolan Batman trilogy (which stands on its own) it feels as if each DC based movie that has come on the heels has been less entertaining to say the least. That to me, can only be blamed on the studios more so than the directors. Yeah I think Snyder's style and writing isn't my cup of tea, but he does some fight sequences ok, but you can't have the movie only held up with that.

And for those reviewers who say Ayer's should have his toys taken away from him, have they seen Fury?
Your points highlight the importance of a chief exec. in charge who knows what he's doing--who has a vision, has good sense, and is able to put the pieces in place so that his vision can be effectively pursued. Feige at Marvel has done that. Are his films really great? Not always. But I have been entertained with every Marvel Studios film released on one level or another (yes, I know some hate Iron Man 3 or Avengers 2). With WB, I haven't enjoyed really anything they have put out over the last decade+ that wasn't directed by Nolan. And we had strong suspicions back when Green Lantern and Catwoman were coming out that the execs had no idea what they were doing in that regard. The muddling in these new films reinforces that, though just as big of a problem is putting the wrong pieces in place from the get-go. Zack Snyder isn't that great as a creative mind or director. He does great commercials and action scenes, but that suggests they should make him the editor of commercials and a second unit supporting director. Goyer thinks super guys in tights are stupid and that the fans of those comics are dimwits. So, he probably should have left with Nolan. Affleck has great sense and filmmaking abilities, and shockingly has become the best thing about the current Snyderverse. Why not give him that much more creative freedom?

Obviously, it's easy to second guess everything. None of us are there behind the scenes, but the proof is in the pudding. 3 films into the Snyderverse and we're seeing mediocre movie followed by mediocre movie apparently. That's a problem. As for giving Ayer more freedom, that would seem like a good move, but even his track record is mixed. Sometimes the best intentions aren't going to work out, and in those cases, that is when a producer with good sense and abilities should step in. That's what Feige did with Edgar Wright and Ant-Man, and I would say it worked out. But who does WB have to play that role effectively? Clearly Fox and Sony have had pretty bad track records on that front, as well, so it's not just DC that has to deal with those kinds of problems.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Your points highlight the importance of a chief exec. in charge who knows what he's doing--who has a vision, has good sense, and is able to put the pieces in place so that his vision can be effectively pursued. Feige at Marvel has done that. Are his films really great? Not always. But I have been entertained with every Marvel Studios film released on one level or another (yes, I know some hate Iron Man 3 or Avengers 2). With WB, I haven't enjoyed really anything they have put out over the last decade+ that wasn't directed by Nolan. And we had strong suspicions back when Green Lantern and Catwoman were coming out that the execs had no idea what they were doing in that regard. The muddling in these new films reinforces that, though just as big of a problem is putting the wrong pieces in place from the get-go. Zack Snyder isn't that great as a creative mind or director. He does great commercials and action scenes, but that suggests they should make him the editor of commercials and a second unit supporting director. Goyer thinks super guys in tights are stupid and that the fans of those comics are dimwits. So, he probably should have left with Nolan. Affleck has great sense and filmmaking abilities, and shockingly has become the best thing about the current Snyderverse. Why not give him that much more creative freedom?

Obviously, it's easy to second guess everything. None of us are there behind the scenes, but the proof is in the pudding. 3 films into the Snyderverse and we're seeing mediocre movie followed by mediocre movie apparently. That's a problem. As for giving Ayer more freedom, that would seem like a good move, but even his track record is mixed. Sometimes the best intentions aren't going to work out, and in those cases, that is when a producer with good sense and abilities should step in. That's what Feige did with Edgar Wright and Ant-Man, and I would say it worked out. But who does WB have to play that role effectively? Clearly Fox and Sony have had pretty bad track records on that front, as well, so it's not just DC that has to deal with those kinds of problems.

IF it's true that they will make a stand alone Batfleck movie, the rumor is that Ben is co-writing and directing, so that may actually be decent. Agree on everything about Snyder.

As to the CEO, yes yo need somoen in charge who KNOWS something and it's clear that Marvel has it, and DC/WB is kind afloundering trying to figure out what direction and who their target audience is.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Looks like Ayers comment about Marvel is biting him in the butt.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

On its surface, a darker, more sophisticated comic book universe makes all the sense in the world. So, I think they aren't so off-base with that necessarily. But you have to go beyond that basic premise. Superman should not be the focus of the darker films here. If you don't like the idea of what Superman is and what he stands for, don't make him the focus of the films! Have him as a sporadically used counterpoint to the grittiness of the other stuff. You shouldn't have muddled/incomprehensible components to these movies. Don't tack things on and shove things into a movie if it doesn't make sense and if you can't make it work. And for god's sake, don't try to use humor if you don't know how to use humor, and if the humor is inappropriate. These kinds of things are what a sensible person would consider and adjust for along the way.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I made a list with all the songs I heard during the movie but I couldn't figure them all out. A lot of songs are not featured on the album:

The Animals - The House Of The Rising Sun
The Rolling Stones - Sympathy For The Devil
AC/DC - Dirty Deeds Done Dirty Cheap (I think? during Cpt. Boomerang's introduction)
Lesley Gore - You Don't Own Me
CCR - Fortunate Son
Black Sabbath - Paranoid
Kanye West - Black Skinhead
Eminem - Without Me
Norman Greenbaum - Spirit In The SKey
War - Slippin' into Darkness
Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody
Twenty One Pilots - Heathens
Lil Wayne Wiz Khalifa... - Sucker For Pain

When does Kanye play?
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Or you could wait to see it for yourself and form your own opinion? :dunno
Not everyone has the same taste. I'm going in with no expectations whatsoever, so hopefully I won't be disappointed.

You say that, but your avatar and signature suggest otherwise. :huh
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

It helps Marvel massively that they have a singular continuity between tv and movies.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

For those who saw the movie i have a question based off the video review by Grace...

She said the scene of Harley & Joker talking in the Asylum was cut? Is that true? She said a few times "its not there".
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Seen this posted on another forum:

What the hell happened to the Joker scenes?? In the test screening, there was a FULL flashback to Joker and Harley having a little "couple fight" with her pointing a gun straight at his head during an argument then him smacking her hard in the face. Basic gist of the scene was Harley was angry at Mistah J leaving her. Joker then explains, quite gleefully/manically of how he wants to "show you where I was born". This leads into ACE Chemicals where they have the "chemical wedding". A TON of Leto's scenes that actually ****ing explained why Harley keeps coming back to him are just shafted. It was quite jarring to watch this final cut with ALL of that missing. Most of all, the important scene with Joker and Harley in the helicopter was butchered to pieces. That could have made for an amazing emotional catharsis for Harley's character but instead is just a side moment. Also cut is the Joker subway scene where he talks to his gang and intimidates them with a Batman story. Oh and the "I can't wait to show you my toys" line from the trailer? From my memory, it's been deleted as well. With all that gone, the Joker is what the Scarecrow was in 'The Dark Knight' and 'Rises'. Glorified freaking cameos. Think about that for a second.

And... why the hell did they change the opening like that? What purpose does it serve to open with Deadshot? Enchantress should have been the one who sets the story up. It made actual sense. With Deadshot, now it's "oh hey there's Will Smith". Also, why cut the whole story of Boomerang coming back to save the Squad after leaving them? That could have been a great theater moment. And now we have a Flash cameo that makes as much sense as the email sequence in BvS.

ffs WB

I wonder if Leto is upset about that? It seems most of what he did was cut from the film. I'd be upset.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

If you want to see some of the Joker and Harley scenes:

https://www.instagram.com/sahil8080/

CAM quality but on instagram. Let's see how long that guy's ig page stays up :lol

honestly...and I know I"m basing it on clips culled together but you can sorta watch them in sequence....even the one scene it's very disjunct....if the rest of the movie is like that, no wonder the things being said about it are true. It does feel as if something was egregiously cut out, even from that short clip.
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

It's just odd that they used the Joker heavily in the marketing then decided to cut him out. Surely having a Joker heavy movie would have been the safe option?...

maybe the execs got cold feet with the inevitable comparisons that would ensue between Ledger, Nicholson and his portrayal. I take them as individual separate performance/intrepretations of the character. No one is better than the other. IMHO, Nicholson's Joker was more comic if you ask me, Ledger's was creepy insane calm, Leto's is just flat out insane (from what I've seen).
 
Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Looks like Ayers comment about Marvel is biting him in the butt.

Good. Only insecure douches do that kind of ****. Jason Momoa is also guilty.

It helps Marvel massively that they have a singular continuity between tv and movies.

This. The universe is well balanced and explored through multiple lenses.

I wonder if Leto is upset about that? It seems most of what he did was cut from the film. I'd be upset.

Oh he is probably a little pissed but he'll end up being joker in later movies. He was apparently one of highlights so we'll see.
 
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