David Ayer's Academy Award winning "Suicide Squad"

[ironwez20]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

This counted for a whole lot of something.

How can you even judge if you haven't seen the flick yet? I thought Smith pulled the character off just fine.



Nope, go back and read the source material. Harley and Deadshot's relationship is borderline **** for free. Smith did a great job as the new 52's DS.

Actually Harley uses dead shot and puts a joker face over him. They never had sex unless your talking bout the animated movie

 

[bboy]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Marvel just sux cuz marvel sux. I kid I kid

 

[Victοr]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Will smith became a superstar with his "action comedy" chops and then slowly disappeared into different roles. 2016 is a great time for him to come back to his roots and lead the suicide squad, its really as simple as that. And he was great in the role or in this version of deadshot, whatever you want to say

That's the thing about opinions, they're widely different and we're all allowed to have our own. If you enjoyed this downgraded Deadshot, good for you, and for everyone else. And he might as well be enjoyable, that's not what I'm saying. He's a daparture from the source material, he's lost most of the things that made him unique, and that is something I don't like. I don't need to go through the damn Inquisition about it...

They don't give a backstory to him but he really isn't happy go lucky throughout the movie. There are times he's serious and mopey even, and then there's times he's dropping great one liners. Will might not play him 100% mopey but thank god he didn't, he would have been too similar to Rick Flagg in this movie.

Deadshot is always mopey and serious, that's the thing. He's such a good assassin because he doesn't care about his life. More often than not he wants to kill himself. As it stands, it's not a good translation, at least as far as I'm concerned.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Good here.


So you're telling me that lines like "you jokers must be crazy", "let's go save the world" are not in the movie? You're telling me that he's not a relatively jokey guy, but he's actually a nihilist with a death wish? You're telling me there are allusions to his dark past? You're telling me he's a mopey douche? All of these things are intergal to Deadshot, thereby making him unique, but they're all missing. From the leaks and the trailers I know his personality is wildly different.

There are allusions to his past. He may have some comedic relief but every character does, I'd say DS is the most serious when it comes to the characters in the flick.

To be honest it's about 50/50

I thought he was half of that, especially earlier on in the film, and the other half is Will Smith carrying the movie with his charisma. Honestly if he was 100% how you described Deadshot to be, I don't think this movie would be watchable


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Exactly, you can't have a movie full of characters you don't even like...

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Even the scene where he pretends to shoot Harley you aren't sure if he's really going to kill her.

he's not a nice man.

I know deadshot is cool and all in the original comics blah blah, but lets face it he is a c list villain nobody knows about outside of comic fans. He's the perfect character for an a list star to take over and become synonymous with. Is deadshot will smith, is will smith deadshot??? who cares he was a great and interesting character in the movie, and will smith carried the movie well with margot Robbie. I know it sucks for fans of him in the comics but hes still a perfect aim and a hitman who has it out for batman. That's pretty much all he needed to be in order to lead the squad and be deadshot.

Exactly, this isn't a deadshot movie. If we ever get the character's full story we might see more of what we expect. The only thing DS needed in this movie is a reason to not leave the squad besides having the detonator in his neck, which is his daughter. they pretty much say he's nonredeemable, a "serial killer who takes credit cards" and even when

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Enchantress is tripping him out, the thing he wanted most was to kill batman.

In short, he's the ******* from the comics. It's not the movies fault people can't get passed the face who's playing him.

Deadshot and his brother were manipulated by his mother into killing his abusive father. the result was that Floyd missed, killed his brother and his father escaped. Later down the line, his mother kidnapped his son, and in the end killed him. Deadshot is an extremely dark character, and in this mopey universe he's the one they decide to make all happy-go-lucky? I'm sorry, but I just don't like it.

That's too much backstory for a movie loaded to the brim with characters for us to see. Maybe we'll get lucky and get all of his past in another SS or DS movie, but as I stated before the only motivation he needed was his daughter.

This U is clearly set in a world where big events have happened already to the characters. So your wish might already be true, we just haven't seen it yet. I'll be the first to say, Smith can pull of the darker stuff. and you see moments of that character in the film.

 

[ironwez20]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Yes please!!!!!!



Final fight scene, these two fighting Batman!

Which brings me to another question. Waller said that dead shot is the most dangerous assassin in the world. Well where the hell is deathstroke? Isnt he supposed to be number 1 and then dead shot?

Also another nitpick from what walker said. Harley Quinn is not ..... Not! Crazier than the joker. If she was crazier she would of never worked with the squad. Joker could never play nice with others.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Actually Harley uses dead shot and puts a joker face over him. They never had sex unless your talking bout the animated movie

I know this, that's why I said "boarderline"

 

[Victοr]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Exactly, this isn't a deadshot movie. If we ever get the character's full story we might see more of what we expect. The only thing DS needed in this movie is a reason to not leave the squad besides having the detonator in his neck, which is his daughter. they pretty much say he's nonredeemable, a "serial killer who takes credit cards" and even when

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Enchantress is tripping him out, the thing he wanted most was to kill batman.

I know about the spoiler, and that's not really within Deadshot's characterization. More often than not, he pulls his punches when that person is concerned, which has been canonically stated.

In short, he's the ******* from the comics. It's not the movies fault people can't get passed the face who's playing him.

Again, it's not about Smith, as I said, I like him and I think he can pull it off. I don't even have a "problem" with film version, I'm just not a fan of taking such a complex character and turning him into a more watered down version of himself.

That's too much backstory for a movie loaded to the brim with characters for us to see. Maybe we'll get lucky and get all of his past in another SS or DS movie, but as I stated before the only motivation he needed was his daughter.

This U is clearly set in a world where big events have happened already to the characters. So your wish might already be true, we just haven't seen it yet. I'll be the first to say, Smith can pull of the darker stuff. and you see moments of that character in the film.

Eh, fair enough. I never expected his backstory, I'm just saying, that comic-book Deadshot is such a dark character, that if the movie wanted to follow suit, he shouldn't really be cracking jokes.

Either way, I'm not changing my preference, so it should probably end here. I like my DS dark, with a death wish and with no jokes. SS' version is not within those parameters, and if there's another movie, I'd like to see him morph into the original character.

 

[RIDDICK]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

It's bad...in a good way.

That's all I

for.

 

[pturtle]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

That's fair but just how often do we get an actor giving us a 100% perfect portrayal of these characters? I really can't think of any to be honest. Charlie Cox is probably the closest I've seen at pulling it off.


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[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Either way, I'm not changing my preference, so it should probably end here. I like my DS dark, with a death wish and with no jokes. SS' version is not within those parameters, and if there's another movie, I'd like to see him morph into the original character.

Again, I doubt we'll see the DS's personality you're hoping for- his back story maybe. This is the DS we are getting, one that actually wants to be apart of the Squad, it is his deathwish. There's no other alternative for him to get out but dying so he embraces it... and has some funny moments as well.

As far as your worries about them "watering him down" they kinda have to to make room for the other characters. At least in this movie.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Harley's fantasy of a normal life makes no sense...and I think I know why it makes no sense. I read that in the original cut of the film, Joker tries to kill Harley during the helicopter scene.

“Joker and Harley get into an argument after he rescues her in the hijacked helicopter. In early cuts he reportedly pushes her out to kill her, then the helicopter gets shot down. This was apparently reworked into the helicopter getting shot down first and Joker pushing her out to save her.”

Which explains why Harley takes off her "pudding" dog collar after the helicopter crashes. It wasn't because she thought Joker was dead...it was because she felt betrayed by Joker. She realized he didn't really loved her.

That's why when Joker shows up later with the burned face to get Harley (his property), she refuses to go with him and stays with the team.

Therefore, when she has the fantasy at the end, she wants a normal life with a loving "normal" Joker and family.


The current cut of the film ruined that dysfunctional relationship, imo.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Harley's fantasy of a normal life makes no sense...and I think I know why it makes no sense. I read that in the original cut of the film, Joker tries to kill Harley during the helicopter scene.



Which explains why Harley takes off her "pudding" the dog collar after the helicopter crashes. It wasn't because she thought Joker was dead...it was because she felt betrayed by Joker. She realized he didn't really loved her.

That's why when Joker shows up later with the burned face to get Harley (his property), she refuses to go with him and stays with the team.

Therefore, when she has the fantasy at the end, she wants a normal life with a loving "normal" Joker and family.


The current cut of the film ruined that dysfunctional relationship, imo.

Don't read too much into that, Ayer said in the first week of photography the scene where

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Joker breaks Harley out, the last scene in the movie

was shot.

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The movie ends with Joker and Harley getting away, was that always the intention, was that always the way it was in the script since day one?

AYER: We shot that during the first week of photography

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If events were supposed to happen the way you mentioned it this scene doesn't make any sense

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Why would Harley refuse to go with him at the end of the finale, but then all of a sudden go with him 5 minutes later when he breaks her out? Harely was always going to go with the Joker.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Because her "piddin" came back for her. It's the battered woman syndrome. She always will go back to him if he does something nice, no matter how bad he is to her. Makes the ending and their relationship even more messed up.

 

[xipotec]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Honestly this thing is a 4-6/10 at best.....

Now I see the jolly ranchers out in movie land handing out their 8 or 9/10"s for this over-hyped/over stylized studio led mess....

9/10?????

So long as we have the
"it was a good way to waste 2 hours" and
"I don't care cause its DC" and
"Rotten Tomatoes is Rigged" crowd,
Studios will continue to churn out films like this.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Because her "piddin" came back for her. It's the battered woman syndrome. She always will go back to him if he does something nice, no matter how bad he is to her. Makes the ending and their relationship even more messed up.

So she won't go with him the first time he comes back for her, but does the second time, literally like 5 minutes after she refuses and stays with the team? that would just be sloppy movie making and not make sense from a story telling point.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

So she won't go with him the first time he comes back for her, but does the second time, literally like 5 minutes after she refuses and stays with the team? that would just be sloppy movie making and not make sense from a story telling point.

Because he tried to killed her. When Joker gets her for the second time at the very end it doesn't happen 5 minutes later. More like 20 minutes later...and who knows how much time has passed in the actual story. I think it makes sense.

 

[greygoose]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

So long as we have the
"it was a good way to waste 2 hours" and
"I don't care cause its DC"

I haven't read that on here...

 

[karamazov80]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Harley's fantasy of a normal life makes no sense...and I think I know why it makes no sense. I read that in the original cut of the film, Joker tries to kill Harley during the helicopter scene.



Which explains why Harley takes off her "pudding" dog collar after the helicopter crashes. It wasn't because she thought Joker was dead...it was because she felt betrayed by Joker. She realized he didn't really loved her.

That's why when Joker shows up later with the burned face to get Harley (his property), she refuses to go with him and stays with the team.

Therefore, when she has the fantasy at the end, she wants a normal life with a loving "normal" Joker and family.


The current cut of the film ruined that dysfunctional relationship, imo.

Because her "piddin" came back for her. It's the battered woman syndrome. She always will go back to him if he does something nice, no matter how bad he is to her. Makes the ending and their relationship even more messed up.

That would all make a hell of a lot more sense. When she first fell, my first reaction was to assume he pushed her. Because that's what a Joker/Harley relationship is like! But instead he's upset and weepy--totally out of character for Joker. Stuff like this was jarring. Her taking the collar off made no sense the way it was set up, and I thought so at the time. Another one of those things that suggested edits reared their ugly head. Trying hard to make Joker a feel good crazy clown murderer guy. And of course, it also fits with their relationship for him to try to kill her to save his own skin, then come crawling back and have her reject him, only to have her accept him later on in another circumstance. Not what we saw in the movie. They ain't Bonnie and Clyde.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Because he tried to killed her. When Joker gets her for the second time at the very end it doesn't happen 5 minutes later. More like 20 minutes later...and who knows how much time has passed in the actual story. I think it makes sense.

still wouldn't make sense, the last time we'd see the two together is her refusing to go back, and stays with the team. then all of a sudden she's game to go the next time they see each other?

it's set up as if the breakout scene is right after the requests with Waller, which is about 10 minutes.

plus, this way the sequel is set up for the squad to get Harley back on the team and pursue joker as the main threat. it wouldn't make sense of both scenes were included, so it was one or the other.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Fits totally in line with Harley from the Animated Series. She'll have a knee-jerk reaction against him, then when he comes crawling back later she always goes back. That is what battered women often do. And it does seem like it was weeks or months later in the prison scene.