David Ayer's Academy Award winning "Suicide Squad"

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)



That was quick.

 

[greygoose]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

That was quick.

Pug eyebrows is a top search on google.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Pug eyebrows is a top search on google.

 

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Yeah, looks like Leto Joker is the Twighlight Vampire guy 2.0. And you know what? I'm happy some folks are into that. Because it's been a couple of years now that they haven't had a character they could really get into on the big screen.

Great observation. And the fact that Twilight and TDK came out the same year solidifies my point even more. Back in the day people accepted a wide range of villains. But Ledger and Edward so imprinted on this one generation that every villain can only be looked at as representing either/or. If a new bad guy isn't exactly Heath Ledger then he's just another emo from Twilight. I'm so glad that I don't judge movie characters against such extremes. And I agree with YoNoSe that the lack of diverse and iconic villains coupled with the necessary hyperbole to stay relevant in the internet age seems to have made it very hard for those growing up in such an era to see things any other way.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Great observation. And the fact that Twilight and TDK came out the same year solidifies my point even more. Back in the day people accepted a wide range of villains. But Ledger and Edward so imprinted on this one generation that every villain can only be looked at as representing either/or. If a new bad guy isn't exactly Heath Ledger then he's just another emo from Twilight. I'm so glad that I don't judge movie characters against such extremes. And I agree with YoNoSe that the lack of diverse and iconic villains coupled with the necessary hyperbole to stay relevant in the internet age seems to have made it very hard for those growing up in such an era to see things any other way.

But the 00's and 2010's have diverse villains. Hell, Loki is the most popular Marvel villain, and he's far from a badass...yet people like him because he's likable...but still very evil. Even Bane is popular...and as badass as he was, by the end he showed a different side. Still people like him despite not being Ledger.

Television has also gotten better in quality and shows like Breaking Bad had great villains that people love.

 

[greygoose]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Haha, nailed it!

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I liked 3 of his scenes. The knife room scene, the kiss the ring scene, and the machine gun part. The pink car scene was cool, until Amanda Waller said, "Harley is crazier and more fearless than Joker"...I can't forget that

Sounds like you liked most of his scenes but ACE, I took that as Waller trying to win over her supreme.

Good interview. Shaving the eyebrows was a good idea.

yeah it was, it almost sounds like Ayer and Leto were looking at this for source material:

he's a mob boss, has the scars up the side of his face, his relationship with harley is closer to what we've seen in the films etc.

 

[greygoose]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

What's that from ZaCH?

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

brian azzarello's "joker". a lot of people thought Ledger's look was based off this too, but the artist came up with the design for the book a few years before TDK. so it's actually vice-versa.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Sounds like you liked most of his scenes but ACE, I took that as Waller trying to win over her supreme.



yeah it was, it almost sounds like Ayer and Leto were looking at this for source material:


he's a mob boss, has the scars up the side of his face, his relationship with harley is closer to what we've seen in the films etc.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the Azarello Joker book, but it was an interesting "realistic" take on the character. I can see the modern "gangster" influence from that book with the Capullo style in SS.

Spoiler

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the Azarello Joker book, but is was an interesting "realistic" take on the character. I can see the modern "gangster" influence from that book with the Capullo style.

Spoiler

exactly, i can see reasons you're not a fan- I really like it because it's so different. but yup the mix of the two and a hint of scarface is definitely part of the product we're seeing. I really like it though, and I was a huge naysayer on the look when those first pics came out.

 

[bboy]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

love the Joker book. I'm pretty sure the main character from the book is hinted as being one of the jokers henchman in suicide squad.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

But the 00's and 2010's have diverse villains. Hell, Loki is the most popular Marvel villain, and he's far from a badass...yet people like him because he's likable...but still very evil. Even Bane is popular...and as badass as he was, by the end he showed a different side. Still people like him despite not being Ledger.

Television has also gotten better in quality and shows like Breaking Bad had great villains that people love.

Magneto, Doc Ock, Kingpin, Red Skull, Galacticloud. I see a fair amount of variation myself. But not many superficially bad guys, who deep down are really just romantic saps. Leto Joker and presumably many Twilight type characters may be it. . .

 

[bboy]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Was leto joker a romantic sap?? I think its important to remember his place in the suicide squad movie is the love interest of a main character and nothing more.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Was leto joker a romantic sap?? I think its important to remember his place in the suicide squad movie is the love interest of a main character and nothing more.

Exactly. Very strange use of such a character. I personally hope that changes down the line. But box office receipts, and the comments on YouTube speak to another likely outcome here.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Magneto, Doc Ock, Kingpin, Red Skull, Galacticloud. I see a fair amount of variation myself. But not many superficially bad guys, who deep down are really just romantic saps. Leto Joker and presumably many Twilight type characters may be it. . .

Magneto is truly a great villain. Even Stryker in X -Men 2 was awesome.

 

[greygoose]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

brian azzarello's "joker". a lot of people thought Ledger's look was based off this too, but the artist came up with the design for the book a few years before TDK. so it's actually vice-versa.

Cheers ZaCH!

 

[bboy]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Exactly. Very strange use of such a character. I personally hope that changes down the line. But box office receipts, and the comments on YouTube speak to another likely outcome here.

yeah I think its pretty much a definite. Hell be a villain in a batman movie, and love interest in suicide squad 2 again.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Exactly. Very strange use of such a character. I personally hope that changes down the line. But box office receipts, and the comments on YouTube speak to another likely outcome here.

Yeah, Joker really doesn't benefit from the Harley relationship in my opinion. Harley started out as a henchman and then they gave her a back story and they started exploring her character because she was in a tv show and they had to make a full season, so exploring other characters besides Batman becomes a thing. For the longest time, her whole identity was defined by her abusive relationship with Joker. That was the character. I was never a fan of that because to me The Joker has better things to do than getting involved in domestic violence. Jack's Joker had a "girlfriend" in the 89 Batman too. He burned her face and ended up killing her when he got tired of her. Maybe we'll see this Joker get tired of Harley and they'll go their separate ways. I don't want to see Harley in the Batman film, but that's just wishful thinking.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Exactly. Very strange use of such a character. I personally hope that changes down the line. But box office receipts, and the comments on YouTube speak to another likely outcome here.

it's not a strange use at all, you can't introduce Harley Quinn without the Joker. He's used to flesh out her backstory. this isn't a joker movie, don't be disappointed because you didn't know that going in.

Cheers ZaCH!