David Ayer's Academy Award winning "Suicide Squad"

[chewblacca]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

After that guard hands Harley the cell phone and yells out that Joker is coming for you while she's surrounded by armed guards, Suicide Squad deserves whatever criticism it gets.

 

[Captain Clown]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

After that guard hands Harley the cell phone and yells out that Joker is coming for you while she's surrounded by armed guards, Suicide Squad deserves whatever criticism it gets.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

After that guard hands Harley the cell phone and yells out that Joker is coming for you while she's surrounded by armed guards, Suicide Squad deserves whatever criticism it gets.

The worst part, we never see the guy again, so the film doesn't even show Joker killing him...or if he's still alive

 

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

The worst part, we never see the guy again, so the film doesn't even show Joker killing him...or if he's still alive

I agree that it was dumb to have all that build up with the guard only to just drop his character entirely.

 

[cmiller99]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

That video about editing is very well done and on point. I've watched two analyses of Skwud (that video, and the Renegade Cut video), and they both made really excellent points about the pacing of this movie, I thought.

He didn't seem like an idiot, in fact him beginning by praising films like RO and 10 Cloverfield Lane told me he has pretty good taste. And poor editing does hurt a movie but doesn't necessarily kill it. The editing hurt SS yes (less so in the EE) but not to the tune of the 25% RT score or whatever it got. It never aspired to be a filmmaking masterpiece and I think it succeeded at being a fun collection of intros and action scenes with likable characters (because that's literally all it is, intros and then instant action. ) And I think there's a place for movies like that even if they'll be scoffed at (fairly or unfairly) by critics or whoever else.

It sure killed it dead for me. The entire first half of the film was so utterly devoid of any real strong forward movement in terms of its pacing that I didn't even realise that the mission they were going on was going to be the entire movie until the film was nearly two thirds through. The introductions were so poorly handled and tacky that I couldn't get on board with anything that was going on. This movie was balls.

After watching Skwwud in the cinema, I watched the first hour of The Dark Knight. The first hour of that movie is an editing masterclass. Every scene leads into one another with pitch perfect beats being hit in every scene. The movie establishes a rhythm in its first scene and maintains it for the entirety of the first act, mainly through Zimmer's score chugging through the background, but also through the rhythm of the cutting in the action and dialogue scenes itself.

It doesn't blow Suicide Squad out of the water, it blows it out of ****ing existence.

After that guard hands Harley the cell phone and yells out that Joker is coming for you while she's surrounded by armed guards, Suicide Squad deserves whatever criticism it gets.

I didn't watch the RLM review but ripping apart a great movie for the sake of making a name for yourself *should* lead to damaged credibility.

C'mon, that's a lot of assumptions in one sentence.

I didn't watch the RLM review but ripping apart a great movie for the sake of making a name for yourself *should* lead to damaged credibility.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

After that guard hands Harley the cell phone and yells out that Joker is coming for you while she's surrounded by armed guards, Suicide Squad deserves whatever criticism it gets.

This never happens.

He slides her a cellphone and whispers "from mr. J." the exact opposite of what you just described.

Harley yells "oh you're sooo dead" but never eludes to why.

Sometimes I think the Rotten Tomato scores describe audience intelligence/attention spans rather than film quality.

I agree that it was dumb to have all that build up with the guard only to just drop his character entirely.

I was sure we would have seen him in that last scene where Joker breaks in. Maybe we'll see him in the future, he was great.

 

[cmiller99]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

This never happens.

He slides her a cellphone and whispers "from mr. J." the exact opposite of what you just described.

I just found a stream of the movie online just to find this scene to check this. It's about the 38 minute mark, not sure which cut.

He nearly yells "IT'S FROM MR. J". No whispering at any point of their exchange.

 

[chewblacca]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I just found a stream of the movie online just to find this scene to check this. It's about the 38 minute mark, not sure which cut.

He nearly yells "IT'S FROM MR. J". No whispering at any point of their exchange.

Thank you cmiller! Like the 50 guards surrounding her could not see or hear this. Well, apparently they couldn't.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I just found a stream of the movie online just to find this scene to check this. It's about the 38 minute mark, not sure which cut.

He nearly yells "IT'S FROM MR. J". No whispering at any point of their exchange.

"Listen, you're being transferred, I don't know where. It's from Mr. J. You gonna tell him I took care of you, right?"

that's the exact line of dialogue. No yelling, he just says it to her. maybe turn down your surround sound?

Thank you cmiller! Like the 50 guards surrounding her could not see or hear this. Well, apparently they couldn't.

Well, they are part of the Military group, not prison guards, they are dressed different and don't let him past the checkpoint. So why would they care? They don't even know who he is. And she is tied down to a wheelchair. What is she gonna do? To them it's probably just small talk. Why would they even care? And the only people who could have heard him would be the ones wheeling Harley- as all the others are preoccupied doing the same for the other members.

The military guys don't even flinch when Crock is getting his nanite bomb, so why would they make a big deal if a guard came up to Harley and said "listen".?

All I'm saying is this is a level of nitpicking I've never seen.

 

[cmiller99]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Nearly yelling - as in he says it loudly and audibly to everyone in a five metre radius.

Surely the military group will have been briefed about who they're transporting? If so, they'll probably have been told something about the Joker. And if not, you'd think one of them would find it suspicious that a prison guard has just covertly given her something and loudly declared "it's from Mr. J" and investigate.

What bomb does Croc get? I haven't seen the movie in months.

 

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I haven't seen the movie in months.

Then cmiller you definitely owe it to yourself to watch it again. In fact my recommendation would be to march right down to Best Buy, purchase it (full price is fine, totally worth it) then invite all your friends over to watch "an epic cinematic experience." Tell them that you'll stake all your credibility on the guarantee of them enjoying the movie. You'll thank me afterward.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Nearly yelling - as in he says it loudly and audibly to everyone in a five metre radius.

Surely the military group will have been briefed about who they're transporting? If so, they'll probably have been told something about the Joker. And if not, you'd think one of them would find it suspicious that a prison guard has just covertly given her something and loudly declared "it's from Mr. J" and investigate.

What bomb does Croc get? I haven't seen the movie in months.

He runs up to her, and is a bit out of breath. Maybe this is what makes you think he's yelling? Why would they be briefed to move highly classified prisoners, and why would joker even be in that conversation? Waller herself says it's a "need to know" to Rick Flag, the leader of the squad. None of these guys know why they are here, let alone transporting criminals.

None of them noticed him slip the celly to her anyways, so there's no reason that even if they heard him say "it's from Mr. J" for them to investigate.

They all get bombs in their neck. Crock being pissed off, and roaring at them. The military guards don't react at all. They don't care, they're just doing what they're told.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

"an epic cinematic experience."

that might be taking it a bit far.

it's definitely on it's way to being a Cult Classic though. I could sit here and argue every negative point brought up, like the horrible editing that everyone seems to bring up after they've read about said editing through clickbait articles, as if they even know what they're talking about.

but there's better ways to spend your day.

Khev knows this all to well though. Anything for clicks! Hence the whole "gay" character ****articles that RO got days after release.

 

[cmiller99]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Then cmiller you definitely owe it to yourself to watch it again. In fact my recommendation would be to march right down to Best Buy, purchase it (full price is fine, totally worth it) then invite all your friends over to watch "an epic cinematic experience." Tell them that you'll stake all your credibility on the guarantee of them enjoying the movie. You'll thank me afterward.

They'd be the same friends with whom I saw the movie in the cinema, right?

He runs up to her, and is a bit out of breath. Maybe this is what makes you think he's yelling? Why would they be briefed to move highly classified prisoners, and why would joker even be in that conversation? Waller herself says it's a "need to know" to Rick Flag, the leader of the squad. None of these guys know why they are here, let alone transporting criminals.

Nonononono, read my post again, I said he was nearly yelling, as in talking loudly.

Isn't the 'need to know' related to their mission, not their transportation? That wouldn't prevent the military from being informed that they're transferring some dangerous prisoners from point A to point B, and gaining some sort of knowledge of what they're doing - especially important when you've got a range of dangerous abilities on display here. I don't buy it for a minute that they wouldn't have had some minor briefing, and Harley being the girlfriend of one of the most prominent psycho criminals in Gotham surely would've been mentioned.

None of them noticed him slip the celly to her anyways, so there's no reason that even if they heard him say "it's from Mr. J" for them to investigate.

Someone saying "it's from Mr. J" actually directly implies he's just given her something. So I'd say investigation is in order.

They all get bombs in their neck. Crock being pissed off, and roaring at them. The military guards don't react at all. They don't care, they're just doing what they're told.

I thought that might be what you were referring to but I don't know what you're trying to say here - of course the military wouldn't necessarily be suspicious of something that they have been directly ordered to do. They should be suspicious of some bloke running up and giving something to a prisoner and loudly declaring it's from her psychotic boyfriend.

You might be fine with it, sure. But it's dumb. It just is.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Isn't the 'need to know' related to their mission, not their transportation? That wouldn't prevent the military from being informed that they're transferring some dangerous prisoners from point A to point B, and gaining some sort of knowledge of what they're doing - especially important when you've got a range of dangerous abilities on display here. I don't buy it for a minute that they wouldn't have had some minor briefing, and Harley being the girlfriend of one of the most prominent psycho criminals in Gotham surely would've been mentioned.

If it was the FBI, or the DOC, sure they'd be briefed, I agree. But this is the military, who's soul purpose in this flick was to take back Midway city. It's a mission where the Squad doesn't even know where they are going or what the mission is. - Only Waller and Flag know. Why would low level troops need to know, or even wonder why they were transporting criminals from Louisiana?

I thought that might be what you were referring to but I don't know what you're trying to say here - of course the military wouldn't necessarily be suspicious of something that they have been directly ordered to do. They should be suspicious of some bloke running up and giving something to a prisoner and loudly declaring it's from her psychotic boyfriend.

See, this is where not paying attention gets you in trouble.

The military doesn't plant bombs in their necks. A Van Crisis employee/Scientist does. The military is just there to escort them to the helicopters.

Why would the military be worried about a prison guard talking to one of his prisoners, and not a huge operation where they are implanting things in inmate's necks and transporting them? Harley and Joker's relationship is hinted at not being that old, so it's not like they'd even know who they were transporting.

You might be fine with it, sure. But it's dumb. It just is.

 

[cmiller99]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

If it was the FBI, or the DOC, sure they'd be briefed, I agree. But this is the military, who's soul purpose in this flick was to take back Midway city. It's a mission where the Squad doesn't even know where they are going or what the mission is. - Only Waller and Flag know. Why would low level troops need to know, or even wonder why they were transporting criminals from Louisiana?

I maintain that transporting high security dangerous prisoners would warrant a short briefing about the inherent dangers of transporting a mutant crocodile man, an expert hitman, a bat**** insane thug, a guy who can generate fire, and a lady who's "Property of Joker".

See, this is where not paying attention gets you in trouble.

The military doesn't plant bombs in their necks. A Van Crisis employee/Scientist does...

... who's in military uniform under his apron. Surrounded by military with guns.

Why would the military be worried about a prison guard talking to one of his prisoners, and not a huge operation where they are implanting things in inmate's necks and transporting them? Harley and Joker's relationship is hinted at not being that old, so it's not like they'd even know who they were transporting.

Hinted at not being that old where? I don't recall any information about how much time has passed between the events of the film and the Joker throwing her into a vat of chemicals.

And I've said it before and I'll say it again, everything about that guard's behaviour in that interaction was obviously suspicious. I don't buy that the military wouldn't have been more attentive and noticed something like that happening. Subtle it was not.

Hey that's my avatar!

 

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

that might be taking it a bit far.

it's definitely on it's way to being a Cult Classic though. I could sit here and argue every negative point brought up, like the horrible editing that everyone seems to bring up after they've read about said editing through clickbait articles, as if they even know what they're talking about.

but there's better ways to spend your day.

Khev knows this all to well though. Anything for clicks! Hence the whole "gay" character ****articles that RO got days after release.

Yeah, the DCEU is definitely "marked" at this point. Now I think a lot of online reviewers are simply trying to one up each other by seeing who can trash the films in the most entertaining fashion. Now that doesn't make BvS or SS awesome movies by default or anything, and I can see diehard fans being upset especially with BvS because it really was the one and only "first meeting of the Trinity" on screen but at worst SS is a harmless romp and nothing to get worked up over. It's far from the worst cbm ever which many are making it out to be.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I think that's partly down to the higher standard of CBMs nowadays.


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[karamazov80]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Yeah, the DCEU is definitely "marked" at this point.

Nice euphemism!

Not sure how a movie that makes such a crapload of money can be a cult classic, though. As by definition, those are not popular initially, but gain a "cult" following later on. Toxic Avenger it ain't, unfortunately.

 

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Zack Snyder, David Ayer, David Goyer, all given reigns to NEW tentpole projects on the DCEU horizon. Man I've got to get a job with WB because apparently once you're in it's *impossible* to get fired.