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Just as films in general. They weren't always mediocre, its a pattern that started mildly with Thor (2011) & Cap: TFA (2011) but didn't fully take a defined form until IM3. Now its just the prevalent signature of the films with occasional sporadic bursts of quality material (TWS & GOTG).
Maybe I am asking to much from these movies when , but I have been spoiled by the Nolan movies and more so with the comics themselves were they tend to take on the challenge of these stories and take it to another level. I enjoy marvel movies I am just noticing a formula of sorts with in themselves structure of the movie and it's something I have seen before in their previous movies so it tends to feel that recycled and not fresh. Then when dealing with hundreds of millions of dollars and trying to capture as wide an audience as possible it best to play it safe.

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when dealing with hundreds of millions of dollars and trying to capture as wide an audience as possible it best to play it safe.

Not really. Deadpool is proof of what happens when you don't play it safe. That movie made more money than any MCU movie.

When the MCU begins to tank, Feige's power will lessen and a return to form can happen.
 
Not really. Deadpool is proof of what happens when you don't play it safe. That movie made more money than any MCU movie.

When the MCU begins to tank, Feige's power will lessen and a return to form can happen.
Yeah that's true it did make a ton of money while still be true to it's ranchy self .

Maybe it's just me but for example was disappointed with the force awakens because of that same mentality they played it safe and just rehashed the old movies and repackaged it in to this soft reboot , makes good business sense since we basically don't need to know they history of the previous movies , but it makes for a predictable movie.

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Deadpool is an example of that. So is Catwoman, which was far from a conventional approach to that character. Risk can cut both ways, my friend. And over the course of, say, 20 or 30 films, the less risky approach is the more prudent one.
 
Deadpool is an example of that. So is Catwoman, which was far from a conventional approach to that character. Risk can cut both ways, my friend. And over the course of, say, 20 or 30 films, the less risky approach is the more prudent one.

Bottom line is you can either make a great movie or a safe one. The fact that people are advocating for why Marvel is making safe movies is absurd given that great movies like The Nolan Batman films or DOFP or Deadpool have made alot of money.

You can make billions off great movies. You just gotta try.
 
But bottom dollar does not a great movie make.

I'd really only say out of the Nolan films that only TDK is a great movie. Batman begins is good and TDKR isn't even that.

I think out of the comic film genre...the MCU has at least stayed the most true while still being entertaining. Now I agree, only a few of them I'd consider as great films. But I like civil war more than others in this thread. I add it to a pretty decent list of films that were good additions.

Thor I am split on. I loved the Asgardian scenes. I didn't really care for about the mid-gard scenes. Dr strange I liked but I wanted to love. Ant man was fun...it wasn't fantastic.

But I am expecting black panther to be fantastic. It needs to be rich with quality. Spiderman and thor and got 2, if good, will be more fun than actually tightly developed movies. But BP needs to be the film that transcends that comfort zone. With the talented cast and team, and the unique cultural, they need to capitalize.

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Hum well to each his own I enjoyed it, however if we just look at the movie in comparison they watered it down tremendously and this is the main issue I have will marvel no cause and no consequence. Any issue can and will be resolved like it was just a misunderstanding it's serves the movie world and that is why I prefer the comic since they can handle these topics and take it to another level. I felt the death of Captain America and the scene were Tony is having a confession with Steve body was ,very powerful about how being "practical and comprising" and the opposite with Steve were he was firm and never comprised on what he belived in.


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But captain america didn't die in the civil war comic. It was a different arc. The film version was differentiated from the get-go..

I thought civil war was fine. Aside from things like vision being nerfed or no thor and hulk ([email protected] since they are the big guns) I felt like it balanced well. It was fun at times and super serious when **** hit the fan. But the action scenes were a blast.

If cap or anyone died we know they'd just resurrect them for the thanos battle anyway. Why bother..imo


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That’s very cute. Ah, youth. It’s funny how she has finally peeked behind the curtain and thinks she has discovered something no one else has ever known. It’s not like these characters have not existed since the 1940s. And it’s not like literary archetypes have not been around forever, just like she herself points out. LOL glad you finally caught up! Now that you know the “secret”, enjoy the ride!

I will say she has a good point in saying that it’s a mess when all these similar characters get together. I’ve often thought that in the comics. I remember being excited about the original Secret Wars way back when, seeing all the superheroes and villain all in one place. But when actually reading it, found it really lame. All the characters were reduced to their own personal stereotypes with no depth.

She is adorable though.
>he thinks people here have figure it out
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Jesus.

This girl is a God damn genius. She just beautifully deconstructed why Feige's formula is a steaming pile of dog **** and how the fandom has finally figured out that there's nothing new or original coming out of the MCU anymore.

My fav part is when she compares the future of the MCU to Doc Strange's battle with Dormammu - a bland, repetitive, safe encounter with the same formula over and over and over.

IMO the MCU began its descent into mediocrity with IM3, somehow allowed the fluke of quality that were TWS & GOTG and then pretty much died afterwards with everything since AOU.

I don't know man, I think the MCU has been hit and miss from the beginning. I think phase 2 is about on par with phase 1.

Phase 1:
Iron Man - Very good movie
Incredible Hulk - forgettable
Thor - okay at best
Cap 1 - mediocre
Avengers - in my opinion was horrible and the epitome of playing it safe.

Phase 2:

Iron Man 3 - horrible movie
Thor 2 - horrible movie
Cap 2 - solid superhero flick
Guardians - fun space adventure that felt fresh
Ant Man - bad forgettable movie
Age Of Ultron - horrible movie

Yea, I think Phase 2 might actually be worse, so far phase 3 is okay, I didn't think Civil War or Doctor Strange were horrible movies, but they certainly were forgettable.


That should be the tagline for MCU movies from here on out:

From the studio that brought you IRON MAN, THE AVENGERS & GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY...

Comes a movie that's okay. Could be much better, could be WAAAY worse...

Marvel Studios Presents

SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING

:lol :lol :lol


When people talk about the MCU being formulaic and mediocre, what are they saying about the DC films? Are are we comparing to the fox films? Or the Nolan batman films?

I'd be thrilled if BvS was at decent MCU quality. Nolan Bats is a different level but they don't feel like comic films. Fox has had some winners especially recently, but they've also had some of the worst ever.

Who did the Ghost Rider and FF films?

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FF is Fox, and Ghost Rider movies were Sony I believe.

I agree with most of your post, because at the moment, as much as I criticize the MCU, most of their movies are Oscar Worthy compared to the DCEU in my opinion. MOS and BvS are better than the worst of the worst from the MCU in my opinion, but Marvel hasn't come close to making the abomination that was Suicide Squad.

As bad as the movies Fox and WB have been releasing lately, both studios have released truly great movies in the past and even Sony for that matter. In my opinion, the Nolan trilogy was great, and even if you didn't like those movies, at least it wasn't your standard superhero movie. Fox has released X2, FC, and DOFP, and while those 3 movies have the same characters, and actors, each of those movies felt vastly different than the last, same with the Nolan Trilogy actually, meanwhile with the MCU, you have all these different characters, with different directors and yet, all these movies just feel the same in tone, direction, and scope which is most likely because of Feige and Marvel's in-house writers.

Yeah that's true it did make a ton of money while still be true to it's ranchy self .

Maybe it's just me but for example was disappointed with the force awakens because of that same mentality they played it safe and just rehashed the old movies and repackaged it in to this soft reboot , makes good business sense since we basically don't need to know they history of the previous movies , but it makes for a predictable movie.

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The Force Awakens was certainly mediocre, but so was Return of the Jedi and really that series overall. Only the first two movies are really good in my opinion (Empire is great). I'll take Jedi over TFA Awakens though because TFA Awakens has absolutely nothing going for it, the characters are cliche and boring, the action was forgettable and generic, the score was the worst in the series, the visuals were the worst in the series, plus it holds the worst light saber battle in the series by far.
 
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I think the MCU has been hit and miss from the beginning.

Phase 1:
Iron Man - very solid
Incredible Hulk - forgettable but okay
Iron Man 2 - mediocre at best
Thor - could be much better but okay
Cap 1 - could be better but good
Avengers - the epitome of playing it safe but okay
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Phase 2:
Iron Man 3 - horrible
Thor 2 - horrible
Cap 2 - could be better but good
Guardians - the epitome of playing it safe
Ant Man - could be solid but ended up mediocre
Age Of Ultron - could be solid but ended up horrible
Fixed. And there's nothing wrong with MCU startin' out with mostly safe films because they were buildin' something unique and risky. There's no excuse for Phase Two, it should've been much better and not way worse.
 
Fixed. And there's nothing wrong with MCU startin' out with mostly safe films because they were buildin' something unique and risky. There's no excuse for Phase Two, it should've been much better and not way worse.

Safe films I have no problem with, they haven't actually come close to making a risky film yet, but there's no excuse for all of phase 1 outside of Iron Man (ironically their first film) to be the only good, memorable film they've produced.
 
Safe films I have no problem with, they haven't actually come close to making a risky film yet, but there's no excuse for all of phase 1 outside of Iron Man (ironically their first film) to be the only good, memorable film they've produced.

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Anyone that said to see this in 3d needs to be kicked in the nuts. All those damn reviewers gushing about it. Maybe my glasses were broken at the theater. There was no need for it, no pop out, no depth just like BvS. Movie was 3 out of 5.
 
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