Pix, you just made me very happy...
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Pix, you just made me very happy...
Honestly even the stolen sound bites (yes even the Daaaaaaa-LEKS!!!!) have me really excited for the Matt Smith era.
Hold on Brendan! You said you liked Series 2. I am going to hold it to you that at least a small part of you liked David Tennants Doctor.
But I half agree with you there (while I love all the docs) JNT's era as producer saw a very steep decline.
I did like series 2 save for "Fear Her" & "Love & Monsters" but Tennant's schtick was already becoming predictable by the end of that series and he just got worse after that and the part of me that liked him quickly vanished.
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I agree. "Fear Her" is my least favorite episode. Its one I usually skip over in repeated viewings. (I hate the Olympics bit at the end the worst though).
But Love and Monsters is still one my favorite episodes.
But Love and Monsters is still one my favorite episodes.
I bet we could count these on one hand.
Everyone is the same? The horror!
I suppose there are two ways to look at this - production values and storytelling. I think the former is a distinct improvement during the first few years compared to how inflation decimated production values under Williams. JNT certainly knew how to put what little money was available on the screen. From the latter perspective I don't think there's a marked decline for a few years.
It's worth remembering Doctor Who was a mainstream show until the hiatus; even the first Colin Baker season was seen as acceptable at the time based on viewing figures and AI. The last four years are probably more responsible for the way people view JNT than anything else. This is when the series fell from public esteem and when DWB exemplified fan mentality (this too is probably responsible for the cult attitude toward even modest new series criticism). The first half of the JNT era was seen as an improvement in contemporary terms, and even now it's hard to pretend things like State of Decay or Kinda are somehow steep declines next to Creature from the Pit and The Horns of Nimon.
Ironically, the "downturn" post 1985 also saw the show achieve a third creative peak matched only by the Lambert/Hinchliffe eras. The final two McCoy seasons are not very well made, but the creativity and sheer verve deserve far more acclaim than many fans like to admit.
I don't think two rubbish seasons in the middle of a pair of strong creative revivals and the creation of one of the most popular Doctors of all is a bad track record for a guy who produced the series longer than most shows are even on the air. It's like bashing Chris Carter for two rubbish seasons of The X-Files.
I agree all these stories look bizarre in 2009, but that goes for virtually the whole series in my opinion. Only the Hinchcliffe stuff really stands up on its own.
Even the strongest of McCoys stories suffered from the lack of money. Whomever was running the sound of those stories absolutely stunk. Dialogue is really hard to pick up because you can barely distinguish dialog from the passing cars or planes or whatever ambiance noise happened to be sharing a scene. and EVERY story in the final JNT season suffered from it.
Not to mention that they destroyed the TARDIS set before the series was even done! Who the crap would think of that?
Not to mention that they destroyed the TARDIS set before the series was even done! Who the crap would think of that?
I agree. "Fear Her" is my least favorite episode. Its one I usually skip over in repeated viewings. (I hate the Olympics bit at the end the worst though).
But Love and Monsters is still one my favorite episodes.
If I had to pick a favorite Tennant story it would without question be "The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit" as I liked the Ood and the 10th Doctor wasn't yet at the point where I wanted him to be run down by a Kandyman driven bus and then finished off by a Myrka
Yep. Inflation had essentially destroyed the budget by that point. In fact from a production standpoint it is astounding they managed to crank out 14 episodes that looked as good as they did at all. It beggars belief that Ghost Light and The Curse of Fenric are as gorgeously designed and shot as they are once you get a working understanding of how TV is made and the kind of budgets required to make it. This is one of the reasons I throw my hands in the air at the people who complain about JNT. By rights the show should have looked like Silver Nemesis or Battlefield at the very best of times. JNT was a bit of a genius in that regard (look at the sudden upswing in "money on screen" between the 17th and 18th seasons for another example).
I agree. But they were also using new location technology, with no budget and virtually no OB prep time. Several BBC shows of similar vintage exhibit similar problems, with the recording quality improving alongside the budget (time = money).
There was no standing TARDIS set for much of the series run. As early as Troughton they were using hastily assembled photo blow ups. The set was rebuilt multiple times during Pertwee and early Baker. It's only with the Williams era the standing TARDIS set returned to fashion. So I don't think it was an unreasonable move, especially when we consider it was only needed twice in the final 28 episodes!
lerath666
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just out of curiosity, Has there been any more specials since the easter one?
Nope. The next one is in November and the final two are in December. Supposedly.
Memnoch
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Well, the Doctor will be in Sarah Jane Adventures..
Good news I heard today. Richard Curtis is going to be writing some episodes for series 5. 
Good news I heard today. Richard Curtis is going to be writing some episodes for series 5.
The quality of the humor should definitely be better in his episodes.
( See! I can do it!
)
I have a feeling that the episode they are shooting now is it.
Memnoch
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Ya know.. Im mostly in the dark about Smiths series ... and I like it that way. Oh, but Im still reading the spoilers you post Marc so don't stop
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Good news I heard today. Richard Curtis is going to be writing some episodes for series 5.
Sorry Pix, as far as I'm concerned that is about as far from good news as one can get!
So I guess we can look forward to a smug middle class Doctor who strolls around London falling in love... all we need now is the smugger than smug Ben Elton to join in as well!
We shall see.
Darth Caedus
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Was thinking the same thing. BUT, Curtis usually have some good looking ladies in the movies he writes, so it should be interesting. Anybody that looks like Lady Christina is okay in my book
If looking at women is your priority then surely there's more dedicated types of media for that than Doctor Who?
No better place than Doctor Who.... (thinks of Leela and the Nyssa in nothing but their knickers episodes)
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