Noooo! Agyeman was great casting just was shafted royally by RTD writing a shocking character to play, Martha was never given a chance due to the Rose love thing. Barrowman was good in his first two episodes but then once again wrote into a totally worthless add-on character, Carey Mulligan and Sophia Myles were very good as Madame de Pompadour and Sally Sparrow. I agree with the UNIT leader, one of the thickest 'men in charge' characters i've seen.
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Actually you're probably right on Martha, like the 9th Doctor she was another victim of RTD's attempt to make Rose the most important character in the show's history.
If I think about it Barrowman was OK in his first story then gradually got turned into Kenny from South Park.
I don't know about those female characters you mention as I don't even remember the episodes in which they appeared in.
Colonel Mace should have been pushed aside halfway through part 1 of that story by a returning Brigadier who was called in for "one last job".
That RTD didn't think the Brigadier was important enough for a return in the main show and reduced him to a guest role in the kids spinoff is probably the single biggest crime he commited during his tenure especially now that Nicholas Courtney is no longer with us.
( lightbulb goes off above my head )
I've just remembered another bit of decent casting from the RTD era!
Bernard Cribbins was excellent as Wilf who was the only member of the Noble clan I didn't want to clobber repeatedly with a crowbar.
Him and the guy who played the Sontaran commander were the sole bright spots in a dismal 4th series.
And if you take the viewpoint that Tennant was only hired for his looks so that'd he'd bring in the shallow minded female viewers his casting was a HUGE success.
Too bad it was at the expense of the character's overall credibility.
During Rewatching the first series it's pointing out so many flaws I tended to brush over, I love the 9th doctor and some stories are pretty good made better by a very underrated Eccleston. For example Rose pushed as the doctors love leaves her current boyfriend Mickey to join the Doctor without any remorse or second thought yet rings him any time she needs him while he thinks they are still an item, then she starts to fall for the doctor but ends up with a new boyfriend in Adam who she knew for an hour and never mentions again, flirts with Jack, went to Cardiff and joins Mickey as a couple again then back to the Doctor...
RTD then spent 3 episodes pushing his creatures by forcing them on people who rejected them, Moffat established a genuine new decent villain in one episode which didn't even have much of the Doctor in! If anything good came from those episodes it was the last meal scene between 9 and Slitheen.
RTD then spent 3 episodes pushing his creatures by forcing them on people who rejected them, Moffat established a genuine new decent villain in one episode which didn't even have much of the Doctor in! If anything good came from those episodes it was the last meal scene between 9 and Slitheen.
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I'm a fan of the RTD stuff, but the one thing that did really bug me was the way they ruined great moments by bringing characters back.
Rose goes back and has that last moment with her dad in Father's Day, and then they suck all of the power from that episode by bringing in alternate Earth dad.
Rose has inarguably the most moving departure of any companion ever, and then they ruin that by brining her back.
Donna realizing she's going to go back to her old life, and she's never going to remember her time with the Doctor or she'll die is devastating, and then, of course, they bring her back, she remembers and doesn't die.
To this day, I still don't understand why they kept bringing back the Ood. They were great as a parallel to the Robots of Death in Impossible Planet/Satan Pit, but after that it was pointless. And that brain in the hand thing was just stupid.
Rose goes back and has that last moment with her dad in Father's Day, and then they suck all of the power from that episode by bringing in alternate Earth dad.
Rose has inarguably the most moving departure of any companion ever, and then they ruin that by brining her back.
Donna realizing she's going to go back to her old life, and she's never going to remember her time with the Doctor or she'll die is devastating, and then, of course, they bring her back, she remembers and doesn't die.
To this day, I still don't understand why they kept bringing back the Ood. They were great as a parallel to the Robots of Death in Impossible Planet/Satan Pit, but after that it was pointless. And that brain in the hand thing was just stupid.
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I didn't see that at all with Eccleston. For me, 9 was more of a father figure for Rose, rather than a love interest. 10 was absolutely a love interest, but I never once saw 9 that way.
In a few episodes 9 seemed bothered when rose flirted, in boom town for example 9 looked slightly sad as he watched on the monitor rose and Mickey walking off holding hands then shutting it off quickly as jack appeared. There are little moments none as glaringly obvious as 10 but it's under lying throughout the later episodes, unless I misinterpreted it which is probable. The daleks in the parting of ways were pretty brutal, killing everything without hesitation and bombing earth wiping out contintenents thats the last time I can think of where they were that ruthless, after that it was the same old last group of daleks bull...
I'd never really thought of the thing in "Father's Day" but the impact of her original exit in "Doomsday" was totally nuked in series 4 and by RTD's own admission the only reason for the return was because "Billie is good for ratings"
All the reunions in the latter half of his run were lame and the reluctance to kill people off outright showed a distinct lack of balls when it came to doing something that would create an atmosphere of "anything can happen" which all adventure shows need otherwise they become stale and predictable.
Adric will never top a poll of best companions but his exit will always be remembered for the best possible reason........it was unique and at the time it originally aired quite a shocker.
Maybe Moffat will be different but Rory's resurrection in series 5 suggests otherwise.
Rory having the great advantage of being killed...twice
Was it twice? Maybe it'll be 3rd time unlucky then!
Series 6 news,
Michael Sheen is playing a bad guy called Biroc..........could it be the same character that appeared in "Warrior's Gate" way back in series 18 of Proper Who?
During "The Doctor's Wife" the Doctor meets a green eyed Ood with a damaged sphere which he fixes. Upon doing so he's shocked to hear a barrage of odd voices emit from it before it shuts down.
When Amy askes what they were he replies "Time Lords........near here someplace. Lots & Lots of Time Lords".
An exchange between the Ood & the Doctor,
Ood: "Your song is still ending"
Doctor: "You said my song was ending, but my story never ends"
Ood: "Silence is upon all of us. Upon our song. And your story."
The song is still ending =
Michael Sheen is playing a bad guy called Biroc..........could it be the same character that appeared in "Warrior's Gate" way back in series 18 of Proper Who?
During "The Doctor's Wife" the Doctor meets a green eyed Ood with a damaged sphere which he fixes. Upon doing so he's shocked to hear a barrage of odd voices emit from it before it shuts down.
When Amy askes what they were he replies "Time Lords........near here someplace. Lots & Lots of Time Lords".
An exchange between the Ood & the Doctor,
Ood: "Your song is still ending"
Doctor: "You said my song was ending, but my story never ends"
Ood: "Silence is upon all of us. Upon our song. And your story."
The song is still ending =
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Oh Christ, they're bringing the Ood back again?! 
Return of the Time-lords? I am fully behind this idea, as long as it isn't the shocking return they were given in the End of Time then it should seriously rock, I want to see the repercussions of the Doctors actions in the Time War.
Oh Christ, they're bringing the Ood back again?!
Just the one as far as I can tell.
As for the Time Lord thing I'm hoping it's a scenario that resets all that Time War crap and futher distances the Moffat era from the previous one.
The show managed for long enough without an overhyped backstory so it doesn't need one now.
Now the show has a decent budget and visual effects to show more of the planet in detail the production team will inevitably get the itch to go back to Gallifrey at some point but thanks to RTD they've got to come up with a credible reason for why it wasn't destroyed.........hopefully it wasn't towed to safety by a TARDIS.
A caption could pop up that says "Ignore everything mentioned about the Time War as it was all bollocks" and it would be adequate for me.
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11 could wake up and realise its all been a dream induced by the dream lord who tricked him to believing he was really on his 11th incarnation when really he's only on 9. Then the time lords put the Doctor on trial (again) this time for showing willingness to end his people and the force his regeneration (again) which blinds the camera from viewing the action as his liofe force fills the great hall...all goes deadly silent broken only by the echoing cry of the newly regenerated Doctor...."Alonsi!"
I like the Ood. Alot.
I like Time Lords.
I like Matt Smith.
I like Karen Gillan.
I even like Arthur Darvill.
I am pretty sure I will love series 6.
I like Time Lords.
I like Matt Smith.
I like Karen Gillan.
I even like Arthur Darvill.
I am pretty sure I will love series 6.
Hmm........I see what you did there
If the Biroc character is the time sensitive Tharil from "Warrior's Gate" then I think River will turn out to be Romana and maybe they'll bring back the Time Lords and possibly Gallifrey via a timey wimey event in E-Space.
One synopsis for the series I've read suggests the Doctor will meet "an old aquaintance with a new face".........Romana can regenerate.
River also has a similar intellect and penchant for smugness as both incarnations of Romana.
And if you count the fact that Tom Baker was once married to Lalla Ward ( Romana II ) then it could be an amusing swerve on all the hints about the Doctor's wife without actually having to explain anything onscreen thus retaining the Doctor's air of mystery.
Only trouble with this theory is,
1.It makes it far too much sense for Nu-Who....the Time Lords are more likely to have been saved by a flying bus driven by farting aliens and a bisexual Time Agent.
2.The original Biroc wasn't a bad guy as the Doctor,Romana & K9 had to rescue the Tharils from slave traders.
Where are the rumors about Biroc coming from?
It was listed in an account of various things learned at a press event that was originally posted at Gallifrey Base.
The Time Lord bit was an actual clip that was shown of "The Doctor's Wife".
Neil Gaiman has also admitted that the episode is "almost" River free.
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Apparently one of the 4 leads will die in the first episode of the series although whether it's an actual death or a typical Nu-Who non death remains to be seen.
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A Q&A w/ Moffat is going to be posted at midnight (I'm guessing BST): https://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_110404_01/Secrets_of_the_New_Series
edit to save you from googling: that's about 6 hours from this post.
edit to save you from googling: that's about 6 hours from this post.
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