Dude by Rainman

[Entropy]

I wouldn't call the head/clothing sets thinned out. everything is included except the body and secret item.

Maybe Rainman could make that clearer on future sales to avoid any backlash.

Part of it also is that zuno helped co-ordinate the early sales and answer questions, then santajack, now rainman has taken over those duties himself and specifics might not have been as clear this time.

 

[Deckard]

Not as clear?

At no point did anyone come along and say

"OH BTW, these will probably all sell before they go up for sale so you have no ____ing chance."

 

[Cap'n Cook]

I still can't get over the paintjob on the hair and the gotee. It may be the best I've seen.

Fixed that for ya

Indeed! Best painted piece I own hands down.

To become a VIP member you must have spent a certain amount on Rainman products. I'll let Rainman say that number if he'd like but it's more than just a few full sets in value so if you're VIP you've made an investment.

I see. Thanks for clearing that up, I always wondered.



This is an interesting and tricky situation. I for one am not adverse to more being added, perhaps then with a slight decrease in overall cost but I don't have much input in this.

It is for the VIP members and Rainman to decide really.

 

[DarthMagnus]

Dude's I didn't even know I was a VIP or or have any knowledge of such about it till late last night browsing Rainman's page. I think it is great for returning customers to get that bump but I think the general public should have there go too. We were all in Deckard's spot one time or another. I really don't see the big deal in another 10 pieces. These figures will still be rare and sought after. If your only buying these figures for the price inflation then shame on you. Make them extra 10 pieces Rainman! You deserve the extra money for one hell of an awesome 1/6 custom figure!!!!

 

[Entropy]

Rainman is a wonderful artist and considerate businessman, but any business, imo, that changes the specifics of a transaction after money has been exchanged is at best unprofessional and possibly unethical.

 

[intothevoid]

Rainman is wonderful artist and considerate businessman, but any business, imo, that changes the specifics of a transaction after money has been exchanged is at best unprofessional and possibly unethical.

Hard to argue with that, and that is why the VIP members need to resolve this amongst themselves and Rainman IMO as Wofford said

 

[Deckard]

This entire situation is already both. I'm going to smoke a joint, ____ this ____.

At least I didn't sit around til 8pm like a jerk off just to find out the same ____.

 

[MarfMaster]

I hope Scott pokes his head in here...

I know he was doubting the interest level in his Dude release, in light of Rainman's. Doubt no longer.

 

[karamazov80]

To Entropy's post--at the end of the day, you are still getting what you paid for if you've paid for it. The product you paid for is not affected in itself by Rainman's suggestion here. Just its perceived value for not being quite so special.

Admittedly, I don't understand the draw of having a rare thing just because it is rare, but it seems that you could ask for (and be granted) a refund if you were bothered too much by it and chose not to do business with the man. Companies (including Hot Toys) increase edition sizes to meet demand for relatively "limited" collectibles from time to time, and I don't see them being boycotted or called unethical for such.

I think his asking here is a consideration for VIPs, but to suggest that Rainman would be unethical or unprofessional to offer up a handful of other figures for sale is going a little far IMO. I think you have a right to be angry if he did make that change, though, just as I think Deckard has a right to be angry.

 

[meth head]

Dude's I didn't even know I was a VIP or or have any knowledge of such about it till late last night browsing Rainman's page. I think it is great for returning customers to get that bump but I think the general public should have there go too. We were all in Deckard's spot one time or another. I really don't see the big deal in another 10 pieces. These figures will still be rare and sought after. If your only buying these figures for the price inflation then shame on you. Make them extra 10 pieces Rainman! You deserve the extra money for one hell of an awesome 1/6 custom figure!!!!

Thats my take on this also

 

[meth head]

To Entropy's post--at the end of the day, you are still getting what you paid for if you've paid for it. The product you paid for is not affected in itself by Rainman's suggestion here. Just its perceived value for not being quite so special.

Admittedly, I don't understand the draw of having a rare thing just because it is rare, but it seems that you could ask for (and be granted) a refund if you were bothered too much by it and chose not to do business with the man. Companies (including Hot Toys) increase edition sizes to meet demand for relatively "limited" collectibles from time to time, and I don't see them being boycotted or called unethical for such.

I think his asking here is a consideration for VIPs, but to suggest that Rainman would be unethical or unprofessional to offer up a handful of other figures for sale is going a little far IMO.

That is a great post

 

[captainjamesbrooke]

Gosh tricky one this. From my point of view I'd like to see more, I sold some stuff and saved hard to get the money to buy this. It was to be my first Rainman, would have loved some of the others, Fight Club most of all, but this is a real MUST have for me, my fave film ever.
But I can well see the other side of the coin here. If I was lucky enough to be better off and have collected his work over the years and had the chance to get in early I damn well would! And I'm not sure I'd be very happy about the total being upped. What would really upset me was if the lucky few had ordered more than one of the Dude, maybe as they want two, or maybe to sell on an make money. That would seem deeply unfair to me. It's hard to call as I dont know all the info.
Very nice of Rainman to ask us what we think though, he is a nice chap.

 

[Entropy]

To Entropy's post--at the end of the day, you are still getting what you paid for if you've paid for it.
I think his asking here is a consideration for VIPs, but to suggest that Rainman would be unethical or unprofessional to offer up a handful of other figures for sale is going a little far IMO.

I do not mean to imply anything negative about Rainman. Again, he is an amazing artist and he has been a great guy over these years to do business with. I'm talking as a matter of principle on how one should conduct themselves in a business arrangement. Regardless of how you feel about this figure, the people involved or the numbers and such, I don't think anyone here would argue that it is good business to break contracts or change the parameters under which a deal was made.

and no, you are not getting what you paid for at the end of the day, if the conditions you purchased under are changed. and comparing a project like this to Hot Toys has never been a fair comparison.

And my reply to you would be, why make these limited edition at all if your goal is for everyone to have one? why not make 100 or just keep an open edition and make them for years and years whenever a new order comes in?

 

[Cap'n Cook]

I am definitely not in the 'only getting it because it is rare' camp, as I would imagine nobody here is, BUT I can understand the objections to more pieces.

However, I for one do not mind the addition of more, be it with a price reduction or not.

 

[Deckard]

I don't give a flying ____ if he makes 3 million of these, I just want the chance I was told I'd have to get one. That was 1/20. I want it because Lebowski is the man, the movie is the ____, the Coens rock etc. Who gives a ____ if it's limited to 20 and I know there are definately scumbags who don't even like the movie who bought one to resell which pisses me off even more.

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[Hydeous]

I think most people here forget the fact that there's still a clothing + head set that's usually like 15-20, and clothing set + unpainted head that's around 15-20 as well.

 

[Hydeous]

I don't give a flying ____ if he makes 3 million of these, I just want the chance I was told I'd have to get one. That was 1/20. I want it because Lebowski is the man, the movie is the ____, the Coens rock etc. Who gives a ____ if it's limited to 20 and I know there are definately scumbags who don't even like the movie who bought one to resell which pisses me off even more.

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This scene reminds me of GatackFC during the PO of the narrator

Regardless of the condition, there's always someone who missed out on it.

Dude, you need to chill out. There's still a chance for you to score 1 of these.

 

[karamazov80]

I'm talking as a matter of principle on how one should conduct themselves in a business arrangement. Regardless of how you feel about this figure, the people involved or the numbers and such, I don't think anyone here would argue that it is good business to break contracts or change the parameters under which a deal was made.

I'm not arguing against the idea that it would be good business to develop a reputation for sticking to your agreements. But it is going another step to say it is unethical to alter what most would consider to be a small part of an arrangement (that probably wouldn't affect his reputation much if at all). Retailers frequently miscount stock, or mis-list things for the wrong price, or mis-list a product description, or have to make an adjustment due to supplier issues, etc. etc. that require them to offer buyers a refund if they aren't satisfied with the "altered" agreement. Looking for input from affected parties, demonstrating a willingness to adhere to the spirit of the original agreement, and offering the refund is the professional thing, IMO.

When someone accidentally lists an E-Bay auction for $3.99 instead of $399, for example (I saw an HT listing that this happened to last week), are you suggesting it is unethical to cancel the order with the incorrect price listing? If Rainman accidentally said there were "2" instead of "20" available and you placed an order, would you be upset after finding out that this wasn't the case?

And my reply to you would be, why make these limited edition at all if your goal is for everyone to have one? why not make 100 or just keep an open edition and make them for years and years whenever a new order comes in?

Well, you're exaggerating things of course. Rainman's idea is to give non-VIPs a chance, not to let everyone have one. 30 is still extremely limited.

 

[Deckard]

This scene reminds me of GatackFC during the PO of the narrator

Regardless of the condition, there's always someone who missed out on it.

Dude, you need to chill out. There's still a chance for you to score 1 of these.

You'd be ____ing pissed off too if you sold one of your grails.

I let the Arc go for $800 so it'd sell fast, enough to fund a full figure man. I can't get one back for less then a thousand without shipping.

I did it knowing there was a risk 1/20. Not 1/5 or something if I'm lucky. It's BS and it's rainman's fault end of discussion. He never told us any of this VIP ____, only that 20 were available x date and time. He lied.

If I knew the only thing available was a clothing set half the price I wouldnt have needed to sell my ____.

So yea I'm supremely ____ing pissed and will continue to be until I hear from Rainman.

 

[karamazov80]

Also, did Rainman ever come out and actually say this would be an edition size of 20? I'm assuming so since apparently the Professional guy was 25 and folks seemed to be OK with it. I don't see it on his product listing page.