Edition size: NRD

[Batman29]

1:2 Endo is not their product.

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the 1:2 endo isn't made by sideshow, they are just distributing it

From my point of view, it does not matter if it is their product or not ... the fact they are

1. distributing a product they full out know the edition size has changed in an unethical business manner means they are condoning it

2. making a monetary profit from a clearly unreasonable edition change also shows they are supporting this move.

The reason why there is an edition size established is to secure the collector, that there is NO RISK from their producers part there will be no more than the number produced, with the unusual exceptions such as what happened with the SS Exc Gray PF Hulk (which in this case is acceptable).


BOTTOM LINE:

A limited edition with a set number, is, between the collector and producer of said items, A CONTRACT that guarantees against the unethical business practice which both SS and HCG are clearly participating in.

Once this contract is broken, and collectors accept this, then limited edition numbers will continue to be broken in this manner for one reason ... profit. One of the major essences of collecting is then violated and the industry begins it's decline in that area with those companies.

 

[Batman29]

While I can't speak for the Endo, I do get a sense of what you're saying...

I may be wrong here but does anyone else wonder if SS has been under different management this past year? There's a way SS has been managing things lately that somehow feels different. I don't just mean about the switcharoo preview pics with the Rogue PF, or the no-show Predator LSF, or the NRD, or the TBD edition sizes, or the greater challenges which appear to have suddenly surfaced when asking for replacements, or the noticeable rise in costs, or even how SS has suddenly replaced its toll free customer service number with a non-toll-free 805 area code number on their website. It's the suddenness of these types of things, all seeming to occur in close proximity to one another. It feels like someone is pulling the strings on this. Then again, this could all be in my mind.

All these points you make, plus the other examples out there, point to two directions:

1. different management who has not studied, or cares about, SS past

2. same management who has grown so quickly they feel justified in cutting corners, overlooking things that should be important but are no longer a priority, etc.

 

[CollectorNC]

From my point of view, it does not matter if it is their product or not ... the fact they are

1. distributing a product they full out know the edition size has changed in an unethical business manner means they are condoning it

2. making a monetary profit from a clearly unreasonable edition change also shows they are supporting this move.

The reason why there is an edition size established is to secure the collector, that there is NO RISK from their producers part there will be no more than the number produced, with the unusual exceptions such as what happened with the SS Exc Gray PF Hulk (which in this case is acceptable).


BOTTOM LINE:

A limited edition with a set number, is, between the collector and producer of said items, A CONTRACT that guarantees against the unethical business practice which both SS and HCG are clearly participating in.

Once this contract is broken, and collectors accept this, then limited edition numbers will continue to be broken in this manner for one reason ... profit. One of the major essences of collecting is then violated and the industry begins it's decline in that area with those companies.

Interesting points. I often find it rather insulting on here or other sites to read posts where they say there is not an importance with knowing the edition size on these high end collectibles. There is an importance as many people want to buy something they LIKE and something that will INCREASE in value. Also, it's one sided. SSC's gets their NRD and you don't get to know how many and when they do announce it, it's too late. My days as a collector are numbered due to this new trend and the fact I just can't keep up with the rising prices.

 

[Batman29]

Interesting points. I often find it rather insulting on here or other sites to read posts where they say there is not an importance with knowing the edition size on these high end collectibles. There is an importance as many people want to buy something they LIKE and something that will INCREASE in value. Also, it's one sided. SSC's gets their NRD and you don't get to know how many and when they do announce it, it's too late. My days as a collector are numbered due to this new trend and the fact I just can't keep up with the rising prices.

My interest also is dwindling in collecting, and SS is making it easier these days to just say no.

 

[risingstar]

My interest also is dwindling in collecting, and SS is making it easier these days to just say no.

It seems like these things have a cycle. I can say the same thing about athletes, rock stars, politicians, and whomever else eventually asks for more once they make it and gives less once they get it. Sideshow certainly didn't create this particular wheel. The time is ripe for another company to make its presence felt, just like Sideshow once did, which eventually resulted in the dwindling numbers of other companies like Bowen, Gentle Giant, Attakus, and most others. However, once a company starts to look like everyone else, it's time for a change, not necessarily meaning from our end, but from a corporate end.

The term "collectibles" isn't something I believe can be redefined whenever someone feels like it. There are certain rules to it.

 

[Atheris]

It seems like these things have a cycle. I can say the same thing about athletes, rock stars, politicians, and whomever else eventually asks for more once they make it and gives less once they get it. Sideshow certainly didn't create this particular wheel. The time is ripe for another company to make its presence felt, just like Sideshow once did, which eventually resulted in the dwindling numbers of other companies like Bowen, Gentle Giant, Attakus, and most others. However, once a company starts to look like everyone else, it's time for a change, not necessarily meaning from our end, but from a corporate end.

The term "collectibles" isn't something I believe can be redefined whenever someone feels like it. There are certain rules to it.

I agree with this...

Chris

 

[fuzzylojiks]

It seems like these things have a cycle. I can say the same thing about athletes, rock stars, politicians, and whomever else eventually asks for more once they make it and gives less once they get it. Sideshow certainly didn't create this particular wheel. The time is ripe for another company to make its presence felt, just like Sideshow once did, which eventually resulted in the dwindling numbers of other companies like Bowen, Gentle Giant, Attakus, and most others. However, once a company starts to look like everyone else, it's time for a change, not necessarily meaning from our end, but from a corporate end.

The term "collectibles" isn't something I believe can be redefined whenever someone feels like it. There are certain rules to it.

Take away the limited appeal and these are just mass produced pieces of resin and cloth that are going for $2000 for a 40" statue that will be available years down the line for cheaper than retail.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Take away the limited appeal and these are just mass produced pieces of resin and cloth that are going for $2000 for a 40" statue that will be available years down the line for cheaper than retail.

yeah b/c they're really gonna sell sooooooooooo many 1:2's

 

[fuzzylojiks]

yeah b/c they're really gonna sell sooooooooooo many 1:2's

Not really anything to do with selling out soooooooo many, just that there is an unlimited supply for years to come for anyone that orders it.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Not really anything to do with selling out soooooooo many, just that there is an unlimited supply for years to come for anyone that orders it.

again...how many people can drop $2K on a statue?

 

[devilof76]

And of those who can, how many would?

 

[Awesome]

You underestimate the amount of people who actually do have money but don't want to support a company that isn't on the right track. I have many friends that stopped buying from Sideshow, and they were huge customers of them. I ask them why they stopped buying from Sideshow and they all said that they shouldn't give a company that doesn't care about their own products anymore money.

They are entirely correct.

 

[risingstar]

I only bought two new Sideshow pieces this year: The Black Cat PF and the Predator LSB. Last year, I bought at least 15 pieces. This is not to say that I've become more selective. I just wasn't as impressed by as many new releases this year. I really hope things change in 2012.

The collectibles market can quickly turn into a "what have you done for me lately" type of market. The objective must always be to look ahead and not rely too much on past efforts to sell later ones.

 

[Awesome]

I was looking forward to the new Berserker Predator bust and they couldn't even do that one right, such an expensive piece and they didn't deliver, and I was thinking about buying it before.

 

[Batman29]

... The time is ripe for another company to make its presence felt, just like Sideshow once did, which eventually resulted in the dwindling numbers of other companies like Bowen, Gentle Giant, Attakus, and most others. However, once a company starts to look like everyone else, it's time for a change, not necessarily meaning from our end, but from a corporate end.

The term "collectibles" isn't something I believe can be redefined whenever someone feels like it. There are certain rules to it.

You underestimate the amount of people who actually do have money but don't want to support a company that isn't on the right track. I have many friends that stopped buying from Sideshow, and they were huge customers of them. I ask them why they stopped buying from Sideshow and they all said that they shouldn't give a company that doesn't care about their own products anymore money.

They are entirely correct.

I only bought two new Sideshow pieces this year: The Black Cat PF and the Predator LSB. Last year, I bought at least 15 pieces. This is not to say that I've become more selective. I just wasn't as impressed by as many new releases this year. I really hope things change in 2012 ...

Awesome and RS, you both nailed this.

For me, since, IMO, SS is not on the right track, I have stopped buying from them with the exception of a few pieces.

Like RS, my buying went from high double digits to low single this year.

And it looks like I will be dwindling that down even further.

 

[inuka]

I have drastically cut back on my purchases. But it's due more to the increasing price points of their new items rather than personal dis-satisfaction with NRDs or business practices.

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

It seems like these things have a cycle. I can say the same thing about athletes, rock stars, politicians, and whomever else eventually asks for more once they make it and gives less once they get it. Sideshow certainly didn't create this particular wheel. The time is ripe for another company to make its presence felt, just like Sideshow once did, which eventually resulted in the dwindling numbers of other companies like Bowen, Gentle Giant, Attakus, and most others. However, once a company starts to look like everyone else, it's time for a change, not necessarily meaning from our end, but from a corporate end.

The term "collectibles" isn't something I believe can be redefined whenever someone feels like it. There are certain rules to it.

The collectibles market can quickly turn into a "what have you done for me lately" type of market. The objective must always be to look ahead and not rely too much on past efforts to sell later ones.

Great posts RS!

 

[fuzzylojiks]

You underestimate the amount of people who actually do have money but don't want to support a company that isn't on the right track. I have many friends that stopped buying from Sideshow, and they were huge customers of them. I ask them why they stopped buying from Sideshow and they all said that they shouldn't give a company that doesn't care about their own products anymore money.

They are entirely correct.

Those statements show they are missing the point entirely of limited edition collectibles and how some customers view them. A Prime example is 28" tall Optimus that sold out of the initial 100 exclusives and then they tagged on another 50 exclusives and sold out of their 500 regulars making a total of 650, all for a $1,200 price tag.

I only bought two new Sideshow pieces this year: The Black Cat PF and the Predator LSB. Last year, I bought at least 15 pieces. This is not to say that I've become more selective. I just wasn't as impressed by as many new releases this year. I really hope things change in 2012.

The collectibles market can quickly turn into a "what have you done for me lately" type of market. The objective must always be to look ahead and not rely too much on past efforts to sell later ones.

Well put.

 

[devilof76]

You...

I have trouble taking seriously people who will pay $2000 for a toy, as well as people who think paying $2000 for a toy is something that should be taken seriously.

 

[Atheris]

I have trouble taking seriously people who will pay $2000 for a toy, as well as people who think paying $2000 for a toy is something that should be taken seriously.

Why is someone who can spend $2000 on a toy not to be taken seriously? Because it has little significance to you or insults your morals for responsible spending?

How about the person that has collectively gathered $2000 worth of toy(s)? are they to be dismissed as people that cant be taken seriously because you dont agree with the dollar value attached to that collection?

Your post makes no sense to me. At what price point do you start considering things to be taken seriously?. I guess it makes no differance because according to you a $8 item is equal to a $8000 item. You can spin your statment 100 different ways and it still makes no sense.

A $100k home is = to a 1 million dollar home
A $1000 car is = to a $100,000 car
A $10 toy is = to a $1000 toy

ect...

So, the person who pays more to get more for something, and not have it deliver has no right to complain?. Yet a person that pays much less for something is allowed to becaue paying less for something meets your standard of "reasonable spending".
Im sorry, thats not how the world works....at all.

Just because you think you sound clever doesnt make you clever.

Gezz, I dont know how you collect anything at all as you have so many limitations and criteria to meet. Its as if you spend just as much time contemplating how a piece makes it into your collection as a person that spends the same time contemplating the quality and detail that should reflect a $2000 piece.

Looking forward to your next witty and clever post.

Chris