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eFX Darth Vader A NEW HOPE Helmet!
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shocktrooper_au
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That will be it!, I'm just checking shipping not as expensive as thought, but casefresh have the best deal
Man, the clique that makes up most owners of the fan-made ANH Vader helmets is so buttthurt & seemingly threatened by the eFX Legend. 
Those threads on the RPF & Prop Den are hilarious. And man do they almost unanimously hate Gino now.
It's as if a handful of squatters are beside themselves because the landlord finally decided to come clean up the building and put it on the market for others.
Those threads on the RPF & Prop Den are hilarious. And man do they almost unanimously hate Gino now.It's as if a handful of squatters are beside themselves because the landlord finally decided to come clean up the building and put it on the market for others.
What's truly odd is that The Prop Den (which is where the hardcore Vader diehards hang out) actually makes the RPF seem mellow and rational. 
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Man, the clique that makes up most owners of the fan-made ANH Vader helmets is so buttthurt & seemingly threatened by the eFX Legend.
It's as if a handful of squatters are beside themselves because the landlord finally decided to come clean up the building and put it on the market for others.
Couldn't have said it better. One has to understand the motivation, of course, but at the end of the day, the landlord has come, and the show is over.
Now that there is a licensed product at the level of greatness embodied by the eFX Legend/Limited, the policing of the fan-produced alternatives to protect the eFX license will likely spike for at least a period of time. Perhaps after the pre-order, delivery, flipping, and the majority of eBay-ism, etc. has died off, those same characters producing the various non-licensed fare will find a new niche... But for now, they really need to accept reality and move the F on...
icruise
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Sure. If you put your life into something like this, you're going to see this as a threat.
Honestly, I've read all the arguments and sides, on RPF and the den, and I'm convinced there are 2 moulds of varying accuracy. The US mould and the UK mould. Masks coming from the UK mould seem to have a dimensional c-scar. Those from the US mold (Rick Baker mould, EFX) seem to have had that filled in on the original mask prior to the mould being made back in the 70's.
What does it really mean? EFX was fortunate to get access to an original mould, period. Is it the most accurate? Certainly not, and even if it were this will still be a mass produced piece that was to some degree cleaned up by the necessity of making these creatable in a factory. There never was going to be the luxury of a Vader helmet expert creating these individually for us with the same passion as these guys argue with. So, we have a casting (accuracies aside) from the original helm, that does not have the c-scar. No matter what other moulds have, the only options here were to not add the c-scar at all or to paint it on. EFX is painting it on (let's hope subtly and accurately).
Frankly, it really doesn't matter whose side is right and who is wrong. The product would have turned out the same either way. I've ordered the legend version and it will be the grail of my collection.
Part of me wishes I hadn't bothered reading up on the artifacts, cause I would always want the most accurate version. But, prior to all this educative debate, I was ready to buy it just because it looked like Vader and it hadn't been sold out 10 years ago. So, in this case ignorance is probably bliss. But, it sounds like these other masks are hard to get, privy to a select few. I'm not ever going to be offered one. The EFX helmet lets me have most of the raw coolness of having a vader helmet replica, licensed and from the lineage of the original screen used helmet instead of some artists rendition of it. I can't imagine I'd ever get as close to the real thing as a consumer. It's a real treat that I never expected to be offered ever, and I hate that all the bickering takes away from that.
So, unless whatever casting is the best's owner is willing to pony up producing 1000 units of their mask, finally paying the license, and selling it to me for $1000, I don't see how there's really much left to "debate".
What does it really mean? EFX was fortunate to get access to an original mould, period. Is it the most accurate? Certainly not, and even if it were this will still be a mass produced piece that was to some degree cleaned up by the necessity of making these creatable in a factory. There never was going to be the luxury of a Vader helmet expert creating these individually for us with the same passion as these guys argue with. So, we have a casting (accuracies aside) from the original helm, that does not have the c-scar. No matter what other moulds have, the only options here were to not add the c-scar at all or to paint it on. EFX is painting it on (let's hope subtly and accurately).
Frankly, it really doesn't matter whose side is right and who is wrong. The product would have turned out the same either way. I've ordered the legend version and it will be the grail of my collection.
Part of me wishes I hadn't bothered reading up on the artifacts, cause I would always want the most accurate version. But, prior to all this educative debate, I was ready to buy it just because it looked like Vader and it hadn't been sold out 10 years ago. So, in this case ignorance is probably bliss. But, it sounds like these other masks are hard to get, privy to a select few. I'm not ever going to be offered one. The EFX helmet lets me have most of the raw coolness of having a vader helmet replica, licensed and from the lineage of the original screen used helmet instead of some artists rendition of it. I can't imagine I'd ever get as close to the real thing as a consumer. It's a real treat that I never expected to be offered ever, and I hate that all the bickering takes away from that.
So, unless whatever casting is the best's owner is willing to pony up producing 1000 units of their mask, finally paying the license, and selling it to me for $1000, I don't see how there's really much left to "debate".
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I thought the eFX had the c scar on it? It's painted on in the proto pics?
Cool. It fooled me.
jkno
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Before everyone gives verdicts (RPF Vader fans included) we should wait until the helmet is in hand.
Darth Mitchell
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Who's giving any final verdicts?
There is no solid evidence that any of the original molds featured the "C-scar" as a dimensional artifact. There is, however, evidence that at least some of the subsequent UK castings were changed to add that feature... and solid proof that the original Baker mold does not have it.
It's a high certainty that the "c-scar" is nothing more than a topical blemish, as Gino noted and provided solid evidence to support his findings. The Vader Diehard Acolytes are falling over themselves to spin and divert the issue... because what they once believed was their Holy Grail that only a handful of them have has been revealed to most likely be modified. Their whole world just turned upside down, and they are grasping at straws and/or in denial. They can't stand it. This is so obvious when looking at it objectively.
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Right.
I personally think that the c-scar is part of the detailing painted weathering done to the helmet considering all the props are part of this "used universe" notion.
Also the other silver painted "scratches" react to light exactly the way the c-scratch does in scenes and is the same color and hue as the other painted scratches on the same cheek. I don't see any rough patches that reflect on the cheek the way the Uk derived helmet shows...I don't see anything that even hints at an actual gauge or nick in the fiberglass -- otherwise it would catch light the way all the edges on the helmet do - and it doesn't.
I've always believed these to be painted details - if there was a gauge, I'd think they'd clean it up prior to filming. -- of course I could be completely mistaken in my opinion, but I'm open to the possibility.
But if they showed the Uk mold with the scar I'd accept it as fact, until then I'm ok with the Rick Baker Mold...
Truth is all those derived helmets have been patched, cleaned, altered, restored (like the cracked tubes on the uk derived mask) to some length, (I don't think with any attempt to deceive on anyone's part) but personally I'm happiest with an officially licensed, helmet with official provenance and "royal" pedigree the eFX. -
I'd hope that it is closest to the original -- the shape alone looks to be the closest I've ever seen, (but I'm told there's another that has the proper shape and no warpage.) - This lack of warpage is the most telling for me that it is indeed very close to the original source generation-wise =)
Plus the only one that'd be screen accurate would now be the original (if it even exists as was - which I doubt).
So just twidling my thumbs waiting for the shipment --
This for me will be the ultimate ANH Vader to ever be made available for any number of collectors -- at least until the reveal comes out-- and the ESB, and -- dammit -- it'll never end... oh well, more to look forward to =)
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demorathis
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no kidding ... aside from brian muir, i wonder if the old guys have ever gone online and come across anything like these posts...=P
Would prolly be something like this:
"WTF are they on about? I just threw globs of paint on the bloody thing!"
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