Explosion in Boston?

[Spartan Rex]

And how's the problem of terrorism been since the US entered Afghanistan and Iraq?

A lot worse.

Oh wait, I guess you guys don't consider the 40,000 innocent people killed in Pakistan alone since 9/11 due to terrorist acts as terrorism. They didn't involve American civilians

Firstly, I dispute your figures.
Secondly, I won't shed tears for a country that gave refuge to Osama bin Laden. Most likely knowingly. Then imprisons and tortures the doctor that helped us get him. Some ally, take our foriegn aid and then use it to kill us. Pakistan wouldn't deserve the time of day if they didn't have nukes.

 

[intothevoid]

Which ones should we report? The imaginary 40,000?

Or the roughly 2000 that Islamabad based Conflict Monitoring Center estimates?

Imaginary 40,000?

https://tribune.com.pk/story/527016/pakistani-victims-war-on-terror-toll-put-at-49000/

Oh wait, let Hilarry Clinton tell you herself

https://thestoryexchange.org/hillary-clinton-women-victims-agents-change/

17:21 min mark

'And more than 30,000 Pakistanis have been killed by terrorists in the last decade.'


Don't try to argue about something you don't know head or tail about.

 

[intothevoid]

Firstly, I dispute your figures.
Secondly, I won't shed tears for a country that gave refuge to Osama bin Laden. Most likely knowingly. Then imprisons and tortures the doctor that helped us get him. Some ally, take our foriegn aid and then use it to kill us. Pakistan wouldn't deserve the time of day if they didn't have nukes.

Refer to above post regarding the figures.

Knowingly gave refuge
Preposterous.

Don't need your aid, we've lost an estimated $70bn to the 'war on terror' vs the $20bn aid we've received. No thanks. Take your war with you. Leave us to deal with our problems.

 

[devilof76]

If you'd dealt with them we wouldn't be there.

And I thought you were talking about Pakistanis killed by Americans. I didn't know you meant the ones killed by your neighbors as well.

As if there is even a debate as to who the problem is...

 

[intothevoid]

I thought you were talking about Pakistanis killed by Americans. I didn't know you meant the ones killed by fellow Muslims as well.

I'm talking about all killed since the 'war on terror' began, via drones, terrorist strikes within Pakistan, and Pakistani army personnel killed while pursuing terrorists within Pakistan.

All of this is a result of the war on terror. Al Qaeda and their sympathizers ran from Afghanistan straight into Pakistan's tribal areas following the invasion.

Most of those that 'sheltered' these individuals hadn't even heard of 9/11.

The world isn't always black and white. These are complex problems which require complex solutions. The simple bomb them all or 'you're with us or against us' mentality doesn't and HASN'T worked.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

This is pretty ****ed.




www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2LrbsUVSVl8#!




Yeah, there was a terrorist that they were looking for in the area but I don't think I'd appreciate them slamming my door, opening it, pointing a rifle at me and telling me to put my hands up. Then be told to run down the street to get frisked, then have them go inside my house (in their boots no less) to look through my ****.



I don't want to sound like the people *****ing about "OMG, POLICE STATES", but that doesn't seem right to me. Surely they knew who they were looking for. All that ruckus to catch a 19 year old dumb *** who ended up being less than a mile away from the original area, tired and bleeding out in a boat?


What if one of those people were like, "Nah bro, you're not coming into my house, no one is in here, GTFO", what are they going to do, knock your door in? What if you ****ed up and ran and forgot to put your hands on your head in a panic? Would it be justifiable if they blew you away?






I can see something like this happening if they start taking gun control seriously and start seizing weapons. That'd be nuts!

Wow, did you see how that ******* yelled at the kid for briefly putting his hands down? What a bunch of ****ing douche bags. That was obviously just to intimidate him because he could.

These idiots really need to be trained how to act in these situations. If they can't control themselves, they shouldn't be police officers. My god.

Surprised they didn't see this guy filming it, think he was holding a gun and blow his head off.

 

[The Chaver]

George Bush in the house!

 

[devilof76]

Just stop talking.

The simple bomb them all or 'you're with us or against us' mentality doesn't and HASN'T worked.

You haven't seen a 'bomb them all' mentality put into action.

This isn't a result of the 'war on terror'. It's the result of an unchecked radical element within Islam that has met with no meaningful resistance on its home turf. Egypt folded like a house of cards. The pattern is pretty obvious.

Clean your own house. If you cannot, and it effects us, we will do it for you. Be glad that our government(s) have shown the obscene amount of self-sacrificial restraint that they have. I can tell you that those who support the governments with which you need be concerned have long since lost patience with the amount of credit given where it is clearly not due.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

What's it like living in Pakistan. You guys must see a lot of this stuff, like daily? I feel bad for the good citizens that have to raise thier family amungst all that. I thought the cops did a great job getting these guys. I live a few blocks from that Dorner rouge officer pick up truck x2 shooting incident. Cops get real nervous around cop killers and I cant blame them. They do a job that not many including myself are brave enough to do and all the while take criticism from. the chavers popping off about their job they do while he would be cowering in a fetal position if he dealt w ith or saw what they see.


Your pal,

bodie

 

[intothevoid]

What's it like living in Pakistan. You guys must see a lot of this stuff, like daily? I feel bad for the good citizens that have to raise thier family amungst all that. I thought the cops did a great job getting these guys. I live a few blocks from that Dorner rouge officer pick up truck x2 shooting incident. Cops get real nervous around cop killers and I cant blame them. They do a job that not many including myself are brave enough to do and all the while take criticism from the chavers popping off about their job they do while they would be cowering in a fetal position if he deal with or saw what they see.


Your pal,

bodie

This stuff happens a lot but you learn to live with it. Ultimately it feels like life here is like life anywhere else. There are many that live in their own little safe bubbles but I choose to confront these issues head on. That's one of the main reason's i've moved back to Pakistan after 10 yrs abroad.

@ Devil - You know who the #1 funders of 'islamic' terrorists worldwide is? Saudi Arabia. You know who is Saudi Arabia's biggest bankroller? The USA. A sham government, propped up by US oil money, exporting toxic Wahabism everywhere.

So don't tell me about getting our house in order, worry about your own.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

Props to you, don't think I could get used to that. My little kids have softened me, violence and innocence are such a bad match.

 

[intothevoid]

Props to you, don't think I could get used to that. My little kids have softened me, violence and innocence are such a bad match.

I don't know if I could do it either if I had kids. You know what they say about be the change you wish to see. I'm just trying to do my bit.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

Ripples can make waves.

 

[intothevoid]

Ripples can make waves.

Amen to that brother

 

[devilof76]

@ Devil - You know who the #1 funders of 'islamic' terrorists worldwide is? Saudi Arabia. You know who is Saudi Arabia's biggest bankroller? The USA. A sham government, propped up by US oil money, exporting toxic Wahabism everywhere.

So don't tell me about getting our house in order, worry about your own.

Don't act like Wahbism is the only radical Islamic movement on the planet, and don't act like our government's chicken **** appeasement of the problem is the cause of it. I have ample concern regarding my own house, but what's at issue here is your head in the sand.

 

[intothevoid]

Don't act like Wahbism is the only radical Islamic movement on the planet, and don't act like our government's chicken **** appeasement of the problem is the cause of it. I have ample concern regarding my own house, but what's at issue here is your head in the sand.

Wahabism is the predominant radical Islamic movement on the planet, and with respect to radical Islam within Pakistan, it's pretty much the only one. For example, the Saudis fund madrassas here which brainwash children that killing Shia's takes you to heaven. 35k kids a yr go to these madrassas. But noone in the corrupt government has the ***** to say anything to the Saudis. You see, the American pay masters with the aid money and IMF loans and wouldn't allow it.

So that's why I say, we don't need that money. I am well aware of the problems in my country, and that's why I'm back. It's better that we struggle and are able to deal with our problems ourselves. I don't condone any form of aiding or facilitating terrorists - believe me the problem hits close to home for me on many levels, i've lost a cousin of mine to a terrorist bombing at a mosque. But the solution has to come from within. The less interference from the US or others, the better.

I am glad that you agree on the appeasement point.

 

[CelticPredator]

I thought you lived in London? Did you move?

 

[devilof76]

And Shia radicals poured into Iraq from Iran and Syria to slaughter Sunnis. Now they have Egypt.

I only see one common denominator, and it's not American money. And even though you are free to call Israel a terrorist state, I will refrain from naming the factor that Sunni and Shia share, as it is not my intention to insult you.

 

[user 1190]

See, it's no joke.

Seriously, what the police and FBI did on the search for this ONE guy was high overkill.

To me, this was just a show of force. A demonstation of power and a sort of practice run on what they plan on doing from now on.

Next time they should just wait and hope he turns himself in right?

 

[pixletwin]

Well I think the history shines a lot of clarity on why things are so heated in the Middle East. To turn a blind eye and say that the US bears no responsibility is simply not true. US foreign policy since WWI has planted weeds that our now rising up to smother us (to quote Malcom X, I think). My honest opinion is that we seem to be reaping the rewards of the decisions of our father's fathers with regards to the Middle East.

Remember, it wasn't that long ago that the middle east was considerably more educated and cultured than their western counterparts.

Really the whole situation is so hot and complex I can't see any likely resolution to it. In the end, the US had to act. There was no way to avoid it. But the US has to acknowledge their role in helping to create the problem, that is key, I believe, to beginning to fix this problem. Turning a blind eye will solve nothing.