Guess when Silence won, they were supporting cannibals?
Guess you missed the part about "a systemic problem of producing violence." The climate has changed.
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Guess you missed the part about "a systemic problem of producing violence." The climate has changed.
intothevoid
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Except if anyone sees TDK or TDKR and their main take-away is the fact that they're violent films, then they completely missed the point of the films.
thenammagazine
Super Freak
I don't think you're understanding the quote and the commentors point. They are referencing the Aurora shooting and the debate it's brought back up about violence in our society. Like it or not TDKR will always be linked to the shooting and a part of that debate. Hence "at the heart" of the problem.
Sounds more to me like a crybaby is setting up an excuse for when no nommys come.
Guess you missed the first part of my sentence as well.
thenammagazine
Super Freak
No, I think you're agreeing with someone who's trying to make an excuse as to why it won't get nominated. The shooting won't play into the film getting an award if it's intended to. Black Hawk Down was nominated in 2002 for Best Director and could easily have been linked to an "instigating factor" for 9/11. It wasn't. But I suspect you'll just counter that with another "But the times have changed" post. What did Ledger's Oscar "say about the world" in 2009?
I never said I agree with it. If you're asking do I agree with it I'll say that I can see it being an issue for some voters. It's a discussion that's going on in their community right now, and some people are obviously going to take this stance based on their quotes. Do I think it'll be 'THE' reason it won't get nominated? No, but to say it's not 'A' reason when for 'SOME' it has already been stated it is would be factually wrong.
edit: To answer your edit there is no need to say that times have changed. "Many people" does not equal "All people." Are you denying that some voters won't, don't, or haven't used their ballots in the past, present, or future to make their personal and or political statements? It's the very sentiment you cling so dearly to with your opinion that it's the only reason Heath won.
intothevoid
Super Freak
Oh it will definitely be a reason for some if not many to NOT nominate it. I'm just arguing that such reasoning is fundamentally flawed.
thenammagazine
Super Freak
And I would argue that thinking the shooting should have any effect on opinion as far as voting for TDKR should cost someone their membership in the Academy. I don't think, when votes are cast, people are gonna go, "Well, I don't know. Dark Knight Rises shot up all those people." There are more legitimate concerns like the movie's vast plot holes, being overly dense, having an inconsistent pace, and underwhelming performances (namely by Caine and Cotillard) that come to the forefront.
And I disagree. Heath didn't win for a political statement. He won due to being snubbed. Huge difference.
Considering the fact that 2008's "The Dark Knight" was the literal reason the Academy doubled the amount of Best Picture nominees I think that TDKR is pretty much guaranteed a nomination. It won't win of course but I'm sure it'll make the top ten.
Not so sure about that. I wouldn't be surprised if its one of the 10 nominated, but also wouldn't be surprised at all if it's not. And I don't think it'd have anything to do with the shooting, either. Any Oscar buzz this film has appears to have ended with the pre-release hype. Direct opposite of TDK, where Oscars weren't even an afterthought (except perhaps posthumous Ledger) until after the film was released and started earning accolades.
Here's a look at what it takes for a picture to be nominated. There are just under 6000 Academy voters but for simple math we'll stick with 6,000. Each member is asked to list their top 5 films in order. In a perfect world if every member votes (never happens) you would take...
6,000/10= 600
Every ballot is then counted and to be in contention every film must be listed #1 on at least 1% of the ballots. If any film is listed as #1 on at least 600 ballots it's an automatic nomination and pulled off the list and #2 becomes the new #1. Only this time it has to pass the 5% rule. Meaning it'll have to have at least 300 (5% of 6000) votes to get a nomination.
So for TDKR (or any film) to get nominated it must be listed #1 on at least 60 members ballots.
It would have to be #1 on 600 members ballots to automatically qualify.
If there are still spots available after this round it would have to survive subsequent rounds of at least 300 mentions until all spots are filled.
If there aren't 10 films that get the 300 mentions you'll end up with whatever odd number meets the qualifications.
That's why you can have up to 10 films. If a film has 299 mentions it's one mention short of qualifying and you'd have 9 films nominated.
6,000/10= 600
Every ballot is then counted and to be in contention every film must be listed #1 on at least 1% of the ballots. If any film is listed as #1 on at least 600 ballots it's an automatic nomination and pulled off the list and #2 becomes the new #1. Only this time it has to pass the 5% rule. Meaning it'll have to have at least 300 (5% of 6000) votes to get a nomination.
So for TDKR (or any film) to get nominated it must be listed #1 on at least 60 members ballots.
It would have to be #1 on 600 members ballots to automatically qualify.
If there are still spots available after this round it would have to survive subsequent rounds of at least 300 mentions until all spots are filled.
If there aren't 10 films that get the 300 mentions you'll end up with whatever odd number meets the qualifications.
That's why you can have up to 10 films. If a film has 299 mentions it's one mention short of qualifying and you'd have 9 films nominated.
Yeah, who knows. Not that the Academy goes by "rottentomatoes" scores or anything but I would think a mid 80% wouldn't typically be enough to earn a Best Picture nom. I guess we'll see.
intothevoid
Super Freak
If Avatar can get nominated with 83% on RT, then so can TDKR (and btw I think avengers kills Avatar so by that token even Avengers should get nominated in a field of 10)
Is that all Avatar got?
Well okay then go TDKR.
Well okay then go TDKR.
Contrary to popular belief a lot of the best picture noms don't score that high on rottentomatoes.com. A nominee had a 43% just last year as an example.
Avatar being nominated still hurts my brain
I'd love for Avengers and TDKR to get nominated for Best Picture, just to give me some level of interest in the oscars. Generally its a bunch of films I've never heard of.
Avatar being nominated still hurts my brain
I still think that had more to do with people in the industry wanting to see him lose to Bigelow head to head.
thenammagazine
Super Freak
I still think that had more to do with people in the industry wanting to see him lose to Bigelow head to head.
First time in a loooooooooong time, I outright laughed while watching the Oscars. Even moreso when I found out that Hamilton only threw him the post party to celebrate his loss.
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