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Oh and by the way

I haven't said anything remotely hateful to Niltusk.

Nor have i trolled Avengers threads with my opinions of the movie. The movie threads i most visit are ASM2, GOTG, The Wolverine and DOFP. with some other non-superhero ones. If something comes up in the course of that threads discussion for me to voice my opinion on that movie i'll do so and move on.

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They saw Avatar because it was directed by that guy who did Titanic, and The Terminator. Not because it "looked awesome".

Think outside of yourself. I wanted to see Avatar because it was James Cameron's new vision and a technological wonder. Something that no one besides movie fans give a **** about.

Brand recognition sells. It's why we have 5 Paranormal Activity movies, 8 Saw movies, 3 Transformers movies, 6 Fast and the Furious movies, and 3 Hangover movies. Look at the ****ing Box Office for goodness sake...


. Fast & Furious 6 $122M
2. The Hangover Part III $51M
3. Star Trek Into Darkness $48M
4. Epic $44M
5. Iron Man 3

The only original film to come out was number 4. You'd think people would rather see something new, over another sequel. But they won't. Because they don't know what it's going to be. Many people don't actively watch trailers. They see them in the theater, and that's it.

Try talking to your non movie buddy friends. Ask them what they've seen recently, ask them why.
 
Good points Celtic.

The Brand is Marvel Comics and Guardians of the Galaxy. the actors have been chosen. it's all set.

It;s got everything ready to explode as a franchise with viewers, it doesn't need a seperate brand (Avengers, SHIELD or related Earth characters) shoehorned into the story to sell tickets, just good advertising of the brand (GOTG) iteself

Ah, but the thing is, Thor worked out because it ties into The Avengers. GOTG isn't going to be a huge part of The Avengers. I'm sure they'll stop by, but they're not active members of the team.

So it's going to be a really, really, really hard sell without any real connection. So it needs Nick Fury. And you'll just have to accept it.
 
Why would it be a hard sell without the connection? (which Lar'ja pointed out will be heavily displayed in the advertising)

Lets have a look at what it has to offer:

Superhero movie
Marvel Comics based movie
Science Fiction
Colourful diverse characters
Set in Space

Some will go becuase they are fans of the Comcis it's based on
Some will go because they like Suerhero movies
Some will go because they like Marvel Comics based movies
Some will go because they like Sci-fi
Some will take their kids because of the cool looking aliens and characters
Some will go because they like Space movies.
Some will go because of what they see in the trailers and advertising.

Add all that up and it and include those who'll see it because they are fans of James Gunn, Zoe Saldana, Batista ect... and it sounds a recipe for success all by itself.

The connection isn't needed to sell the movie. Just like The Dark Knight trilogy hasn't been connected to sell the Man of Steel Superman reboot to audiences.

They'll acomplish the connection either way with the Marvel Studios logo, Thanos inclusion and references to Earth. SHIELD and Fury would only serve to interfere with the stroy since they're deep space characters away from Earth, they dond't mesh like Thanos does.

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I'm off to bed, night folks :wave
 
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Everything Celtic is saying is pretty much common sense. Marvel is going to go for what gives them the biggest bang for the buck, if they were ok with just throwing something up on screen and seeing how it stuck they would have already recast RDJ because people will "come see it". They are in conquer mode and want to keep churning out hits, who in their position wouldn't? :dunno

It is the exact same reason old licenses are used for movies even though they are sometimes updated beyond recognition, just to use a name that was tied to old movies/TV/toys.

Using Avatar as an example of something fresh that made great sums of cash is just utterly stupid, for every Avatar, theres 100 movies that fail or barely scrape by, Marvel is riding a wave, they are going to do everything they can to keep the wave going, they aren't going to handicap their efforts to keep a couple fanbois happy.
 
The connection isn't needed to sell the movie. Just like The Dark Knight trilogy hasn't been connected to sell the Man of Steel Superman reboot to audiences.

Because GotG is as well known as Batman or as well known as Superman?

Another great example from the mind of Nova. :slap
 
Yeah...most people don't give a **** about the actors or brand. At least not as much as what the actual film is about.

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At least not where I come from. :dunno

No one I know cares about actors or directors. I didn't until I took my first look in the TV & Movies section on this forum.

It's all up to the trailer. If the trailer looks interesting, they're going to go see it. That's how the average audience member's brain works.
 
The connection isn't needed to sell the movie. Just like The Dark Knight trilogy hasn't been connected to sell the Man of Steel Superman reboot to audiences.

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I'm off to bed, night folks :wave

To be fair, hasn't Nolan and THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY been mentioned in every single MOS trailer?
 
At least not where I come from. :dunno

No one I know cares about actors or directors. I didn't until I took my first look in the TV & Movies section on this forum.

It's all up to the trailer. If the trailer looks interesting, they're going to go see it. That's how the average audience member's brain works.

It's not.

Do you know when the audience member sees the trailer? During the movie. And most of them consider it an inconvenience. They'll forget them within a few minutes.

Sure, maybe they'll laugh or enjoy the trailer, but it will escape their mind for the better half of the year until it shows up again.

Case in point, The Hangover III. People laughed during the trailer, and cheered. And yet, it bombed. So there you go.
 
Celtic and Niltusk are right.

Lets just say that Marvel owes RDJ alot!

GOTG will only be a hit if the general audience is spoon fed that it's connected to Avengers.
 
It's not.

Do you know when the audience member sees the trailer? During the movie. And most of them consider it an inconvenience. They'll forget them within a few minutes.

Sure, maybe they'll laugh or enjoy the trailer, but it will escape their mind for the better half of the year until it shows up again.

Case in point, The Hangover III. People laughed during the trailer, and cheered. And yet, it bombed. So there you go.
FYI, you don't just see trailers in the theater. They're on TV as well.

I don't have "movie buddy friends". The few people I hang out with are what I'd consider to be general audience members.

For example my friend Logan loves Bayformers. He has no prior knowledge of the cartoon series. He has no idea who Michael Bay is. He has no idea who Shia Labeouf and Megan Fox are. He also went to see Thor, Ironman and The Avengers. He doesn't know any of the actors names (or at least didn't at the time), nor the directors, and he's never touched a comic in his life. It's all from the trailers.

The Hobbit too. He doesn't know who Peter Jackson and Martin Freeman are. He hasn't seen Lord of the Rings and refuses to because it's "old". I still have a text he sent me saying something along the lines of "dude, that looks awesome we have to see that!".

He is the modern day movie goer of our generation.

The same can be said for just about everyone else I went to school with. The Same can also be said for everyone I've met online from different states/countries excluding the members here.

Movies aren't big deals to "normal" people. They don't care about directors, and only slightly care about actors. The action, the visuals, the characters, the story (well maybe not so much the story), that's all that they see.

Celtic and Niltusk are right.

Lets just say that Marvel owes RDJ alot!

GOTG will only be a hit if the general audience is spoon fed that it's connected to Avengers.
That doesn't make any sense though. :lol It's just like any other sci-fi movie but with more interesting and fantastical characters. It'll be successful regardless.
 
FYI, you don't just see trailers in the theater. They're on TV as well.

I don't have "movie buddy friends". The few people I hang out with are what I'd consider to be general audience members.

For example my friend Logan loves Bayformers. He has no prior knowledge of the cartoon series. He has no idea who Michael Bay is. He has no idea who Shia Labeouf and Megan Fox are. He also went to see Thor, Ironman and The Avengers. He doesn't know any of the actors names (or at least didn't at the time), nor the directors, and he's never touched a comic in his life. It's all from the trailers.

The Hobbit too. He doesn't know who Peter Jackson and Martin Freeman are. He hasn't seen Lord of the Rings and refuses to because it's "old". I still have a text he sent me saying something along the lines of "dude, that looks awesome we have to see that!".

He is the modern day movie goer of our generation.

The same can be said for just about everyone else I went to school with. The Same can also be said for everyone I've met online from different states/countries excluding the members here.

Movies aren't big deals to "normal" people. They don't care about directors, and only slightly care about actors. The action, the visuals, the characters, the story (well maybe not so much the story), that's all that they see.

That doesn't make any sense though. :lol It's just like any other sci-fi movie but with more interesting and fantastical characters. It'll be successful regardless.

What other very successful recent SciFi movies are there really though?

Hell, even Star Trek just bombed!

Avatar, because of Cameron, and D9.
 
What other very successful recent SciFi movies are there really though?

Hell, even Star Trek just bombed!

Avatar, because of Cameron, and D9.
What about all those ****ty alien invasion movies like Battleship and Battle L.A.?

But that's still a poor comparison. Generic robot alien invasion movies versus this:

Guardians_of_the_galaxy.jpg


People are going to pay to see this whether or not it has connections to The Avengers.
 
No they aren't. There's a raccoon and a tree in that picture. To the current audience members, that's stupid and goofy.

Battleship flopped. As did Battle LA. It did alright worldwide. But failed domestically. Not a good example.
 
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