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Just finished the episode, got home late, will post my thoughts tomorrow as I am exhausted. Although remember Angela said that Nathan was "given" powers because Arthur was upset that he didn't have any powers. Arthur's archetype is more like Magneto because of the superiority complex that is showing. More tomorrow...
 
If they were building a big lineup of villains, I would have rather seen Adam Monroe in there than the bald pyrotechnic. Tonight was a waste of the character. But I guess somebody has to go if they're going to keep paying Malcolm McDowell to guest star.
 
Maybe its just me, but I hate when characters get nuetered! Im a Dragon Ball Z kinda guy. I like more power as a series progresses. They had two uber supes (peter and Sylar) that sat on opposite sides of the coin. They didnt need a power check, just a better rivalry.

Its like Superman and Doomsday. You can have two near God characters and still have lesser Supes out there as long as one is GOOD, and one is EVIL. Heroes is definately losing my interest.
 
One of the best episodes yet I thought. Too bad for Adam but I really like the new puppet master character. And I actually like the direction Syler is taking now.

I found it odd that the puppet dude didn't question why Claire's mom pulled the trigger until it actually fired though, or did he make her do that and I missed it.
 
One of the best episodes yet I thought. Too bad for Adam but I really like the new puppet master character. And I actually like the direction Syler is taking now.

I found it odd that the puppet dude didn't question why Claire's mom pulled the trigger until it actually fired though, or did he make her do that and I missed it.

The only part of the show I actually enjoyed to be honest. I think the dude was just cracked. logical morality wasnt really his strong suit. It would be like Hitler questioning the actions of the KKK.
 
The only part of the show I actually enjoyed to be honest. I think the dude was just cracked. logical morality wasnt really his strong suit. It would be like Hitler questioning the actions of the KKK.

Not from a moral standpoint of course. The dude was definitely sinister. I mean just from a "what are they trying to pull now" kinda questioning. You'd think he'd be a little suspicious since they're trying to capture him to begin with and now the girls mother makes it a point to pop a cap in her on purpose.
 
Another great episode... I was kind of loosing interest a few episodes in, but the show has me back interested again. Still little annoyances from characters making really ridiculous choices, but overall good stuff.
 
I didn't care for Hiro's stabbing Ando being freezing time, I'm not really sure how Daphne was unable to speed herself up to beat it, but I guess she already has to be in fast motion when he slows it down for her to be immune. It was also disappointing that Adam went out the way he did, he was a great character so I wish they could have found another way for Arthur to heal.

I really liked Hiro getting hit with the shovel twice, and Parkman's "High Five Turtle" line. Good comic relief there.
 
I really liked Hiro getting hit with the shovel twice, and Parkman's "High Five Turtle" line. Good comic relief there.

:lol I liked those parts too. Hiro is such a fun character to have on the show but I look forward to seeing him as Peter did in the future on the train.
 
Yeah, the comedy in that episode worked a lot better than in some previous ones. "High Five Turtle" was really funny.
 
Peter Losing His Powers Again = :banghead

GOD, how making frakkin' times are they going to do that. Honestly, I thought they were going to take Adam Monroe's blood and use it on Papa Petrelli, wouldn't that have been easier? Or did Papa Petrelli want the healing power himself, I guess he can steal.
 
If they were building a big lineup of villains, I would have rather seen Adam Monroe in there than the bald pyrotechnic. Tonight was a waste of the character. But I guess somebody has to go if they're going to keep paying Malcolm McDowell to guest star.

Adam Monroe was used as a severe example of how Arthur Petrelli's power works. He has the ability of Power Absorption and by removing Adam's power his body instantly ages hundred of years and he turns to dust. Its an interesting way to permanently remove a character but definitely a waste of a charismatic character. There were other ways they could have gone with it to keep Adam in. Of course this creates a huge plot hole. In Season 1, it was noted that Arthur Petrelli committed suicide six months before "Genesis". Then in Season 2, we learn that Adam Monroe was always a pain in the ass of the Company because of his immortal status and the inability to kill him, yet Arthur Petrelli, who would have always had this ability, finished him off in two seconds. There has to be more explanation on why Arthur let him live all this time when he could have killed him, we got some of that when he said "I could still be some use to you" before dying but its a hole that definitely leaves your head scratching.

One of the best episodes yet I thought. Too bad for Adam but I really like the new puppet master character. And I actually like the direction Syler is taking now.

They are definitely moving Sylar into the anti-hero position although they are allowing him to make too many fatal errors and flaws that we didn't see with Sylar before. He was always calculated and focused before, in part to his ability to see how things work, he'd have the superior intellect to figure out how plans would and wouldn't work and he has lost all of that with his turn towards the "Light Side".

I found it odd that the puppet dude didn't question why Claire's mom pulled the trigger until it actually fired though, or did he make her do that and I missed it.

No, she pulled it. Three times to be exact before getting the final shot. He could have assumed that she was trying to rid the bullet from the gun so then he has no weapon but it didn't fit with how sinister he was being. It didn't make a whole lot of sense in the grand scheme of things.

I didn't care for Hiro's stabbing Ando being freezing time, I'm not really sure how Daphne was unable to speed herself up to beat it, but I guess she already has to be in fast motion when he slows it down for her to be immune.

Exactly, she has to be in current quick speed in order to surpass and even then she can be caught off guard as we saw at Hiro's father's company. She didn't expect him to do it so she had no motive to speed up and catch Hiro off guard.

Peter Losing His Powers Again = :banghead

This is a sign that the writers have made Peter too powerful and need to contain him, the same to some extent is happening with Sylar. They don't know what to do with him. The thing is Peter has a huge Hero Complex and the ideals that make him kin to Superman in a lot of respects. Instead of focusing on the saving of humanity and bumping heads with others on how that is done and making Peter the Boy Scout of the crew, they went the other way and gave him a "bloodlust" that drove Sylar. The thing is with his powers coupled with a bloodlust it makes him too powerful so to continue to have the bloodlust storyline they need to "neuter" him.

The writers missed a golden opportunity by Peter not realizing that the future's destruction seems to always revolve around him and making him more of a tortured character, one who has all of these abilities but is afraid to use them unless absolutely necessary.

As for the episode itself, I enjoyed it, I liked the Sylar/Peter fight, well at least the beginning of it and liked the fact that the reason why Daphne and Matt get together isn't fate but his intervention from a future vision. A time paradox where it occurs because of the preview of a possible future and not always slated to occur without that piece. Suresh is continuing to get on my nerves by him being semi-evil as if the writers don't have the balls to just turn him into a villain and Peter's naive ways are starting to grind a bit. As an Empath if he felt something occurring, as Arthur's power drain took about a minute or two, he should have immediately countered by using Arthur's power which he would have already gained against him and just shot them away from one another like two magnets repelling. It was Peter's "even though I'm in the Villain's lair, this is my dad it must be alright" attitude that caused him to be punk'd for better lack of a word.
 
I thought it was a pretty good episode. The shovel bit was very funny. It is awkward how they keep having to neuter Peter and Sylar, but here I thought it kind of works to have Dad steal his powers.

But removing Adam's healing powers shouldn't cause him to age, it will just stop any future damage to his body from being repaired. If it undoes any effect that the power has had on a person, then Peter should have died from all the injuries he's sustained (like being blown up).
 
This may sound really stupid, but I take Arthur to be something like a vampire who can steal powers, but he can also completely suck up a person's life force (I don't know if I made that up or where it comes from) so with Peter he only stole his powers. With Adam he sucked the life out of him.
 
I thought it was pretty obvious what happened with Arthur. Just like his sons (Peter and Sylar), he's got the ability to take other people's powers. Whereas Sylar needs to study a person's brain in order to gain their abilities, Peter just needs to be in close proximity to acquire them. But with Arthur, he has to get into physical contact with the person, and instead of just acquiring their powers, he absorbs them completely.

For Adam, this was fatal as it was his powers that were keeping him alive, delaying the aging process indefinitely. Once those powers were removed, however, his body grew and aged as was normal for someone his age. Too bad for him that age just happened to be over 500 years old.

Not sure if that's the official answer, but that's how I chose to understand it, anyway.
 
I thought it was pretty obvious what happened with Arthur. Just like his sons (Peter and Sylar), he's got the ability to take other people's powers. Whereas Sylar needs to study a person's brain in order to gain their abilities, Peter just needs to be in close proximity to acquire them. But with Arthur, he has to get into physical contact with the person, and instead of just acquiring their powers, he absorbs them completely.

For Adam, this was fatal as it was his powers that were keeping him alive, delaying the aging process indefinitely. Once those powers were removed, however, his body grew and aged as was normal for someone his age. Too bad for him that age just happened to be over 500 years old.

Not sure if that's the official answer, but that's how I chose to understand it, anyway.

I think I'll go with that answer. Pretty good way to explain it!! Good job man!
 
That is the answer. Remember when Adam first died and then it was realized that he was the "murderer" it was said that the repeated death is what kept his body young because the cells were "frozen" gaining a type of immortality. Removing his power unfroze the cells and sent them into 500 years of catching up. It had really little to do with healing as the immortality was always mentioned as a byproduct of the original power....
 
I think I'm done with this show. Its obvious that the writers don't know where they are going. They've already destroyed everything that happened in season 2. They obviously don't know what to do with Sylar, Peter, and Adam (so they killed him). They have so many storylines going that it's impossible to follow.

I may check out some other episodes but the excitement is gone. I missed 20 minutes of one episode because of my DVR and I missed 3 different storyline changes. They need to slow the show down and focus more on character instead of twists and new developments.

So sad because Season 1 was just soooo good.
 
Adam was killed because David Anders had to leave the show due to other commitments. He only joined this season as a "Special Guest Star" so they could wrap-up his storyline (i.e. kill off his character).
 
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