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Tonights episode sucked

Really

Sylar keeps bouncing around. Mohinder does absolutely nothing and again shows why he should die. And Nathan is a complete dumb-a$$ ******-bag
 
Soooooooo it dawned on me tonight that Claire had a brother. I know I must have missed an episode where it was explained where he went, so can someone fill me in as to his whereabouts now. It was just bugging me a bit tonight.

Tonight's episode was ho hum. It was nice to have Meyer and Green in the episode. Sylar is going to be bad again....oh, yay. :rolleyes: I'm sure he'll switch back to being good again at some point. :rolleyes: Nathan is officially on my annoying list. Mohinder needs to be written off the show as soon as possible.
 
I actually feel like they are writing and filming these shows week to week at this point. I enjoyed tonight's episode but no more or no less than any others this season but its like they realized there were loose ends so they wanted to pull together. First Gabriel is a Petrelli, now there is new doubt he isn't. Elle and Sylar are in love, then they aren't, then they are but he is evil and kills her. Peter is powerless metaphorically, then literally, then metaphorically now literally again. Claire is weak, then decides to be strong, then realizes she is weak again. 9th Wonders is out of print, then in print, then has to explain how its in print for 2 years past the author's death so they explain that he had all these stories in the pipeline and one mythical story that a bike messenger has. Hiro watches his father give Claire to Noah, now he watches it with Claire.

What drives me nuts is that the potential futures that are shown are almost immediately negated by the actions of the principals in the show in the same episode yet all of these precogs never have evolving futures? Even Matt's vision into Angela's head still had her vision again unchanged despite all the different things that occurred already.

The writing has become amazingly sloppy and cohesive link that was clear, evident and interesting in Season One, was perverted a bit in Season Two seems to be completely lost in Season Three struggling with glimpses of clarity but overall fuzzy and underwhelming.

I love the show. Love the characters. I have faith that things will turn around but in Villains I see opportunities lost more than differences gained.
 
Sylar's good...

Sylar's bad...

Sylar has powers...

Sylar loses his powers...

I think they have these four ideas written on four scraps of paper, and each week they randomly pull one out of a hat and begin to write a new episode.
 
Tonights episode sucked

Really

Sylar keeps bouncing around. Mohinder does absolutely nothing and again shows why he should die. And Nathan is a complete dumb-a$$ ******-bag

agree, however i think BOTH eclipse episodes just plain sucked. Whoop-dee-doo, there was an eclipse and they lost their powers for the time being. WOW was that really supposed to get us to the edge of our seats now that they have their powers back and all they had to do was wait for the damn sun to pass over? Seems like a pointless plotline to me. Didnt do anything to progress the storyline at all, and was a waste of two episodes.

Sylar's good...

Sylar's bad...

Sylar has powers...

Sylar loses his powers...

I think they have these four ideas written on four scraps of paper, and each week they randomly pull one out of a hat and begin to write a new episode.

With so many characters, you'd think these writers could come up with something much better than this huh? To me the show was off to a strong start but started to fizzle the past coupel of weeks. I hope the ending is actually worth it, and not just some stupid cop-out ending like they have been the past two seasons.
 
This show has really embraced the soap-opera melodrama with arbitrary, incoherent character motivations and actions. It's got no real focus and doesn't make much sense when you think about it, but I'm still watching it, only now for the cheese factor instead of the well written show I thought it was going to be back in season 1. I had hopes they'd turn things around in season 3, but now I've given up any hope of this show actually being good or realizing its potential.
 
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Season IV is entitled "Fugitives" and this spoiler has freshly hit the web:

You know how H.R.G. told Gabriel that he was being played by the Petrellis and that he was not, in fact, their son? Circa Volume IV: Fugitives, Sylar begins a new hunt--but he's not seeking to feed his hunger anymore. He's tracking down information on his past...

(Since this is a spoilers thread I didn't feel the need to Spoiler Tag it....)

Also:

*As I told you last week, a blond Hero who's in a new relationship is getting killed, but I've since learned that despite many signs pointing to that Hero's death, all is not lost. There's a coverup at work, and she may well rise from the dead. Holler!


* As you saw in this episode, Nathan Petrelli is at a turning point. He's ready to harness his power, only he's still not sure in whose service he ought to employ that power. What does he decide? Well, let's just say that in 2009 Claire-Bear might have another morally ambiguous dad to disapprove of...
 
It sounds like they are already planning in Season Four to undo some of what will occur in Season Three. What is occurring over at the HEROES camp is the same thing that destroyed the Raimi Spider-Man Franchise.....well wounded it since another IS coming.....they are allowing fans to dicate who are the spotlights. They like Sylar! Bring him back! We have Elle scheduled for 6 Episodes, what? They like her! Bring her back!! Hiro is fun as a blumbling foreigner even though he has spent so much time around those with English accents that even Ando has lost the slight accent that he had as seen in tonight's episode? Keep him that way!

Instead of introducing dynamic new characters and even letting Kring tell new, original origins where he said he'd prefer to go they are juicing the hell out of what it there turning it from interesting to borderline ridiculous.
 
I think someone killed one of the Manatees! God this show is going nowhere fast!!!! I love this show, but it's really starting to get to me!!

Really, a ^^^^ing bike messenger??!! REALLY??!! ^^^^ this show pisses me off sometimes!!

Other than that, I really liked this episode!! Especially when HRG sliced up Sylar! To bad he had Claire's real power. Even though I like Sylar, I wanna see someone ^^^^ing die already!! Well, I guess Elle is gone. Damn.....Good, then bad, then good then bad again!!

Nice twist if Arthur & Angelia really aren't his parents. And I did like the Hiro & Claire meeting thing. But I wish we could get English speaking future Hiro already, as child Hiro is starting to get to me.

Oh well, what can ya do?? I know I'll be watching next week for sure.
 
The show's real weakness is now clear to me:

Tim Kring simply does not know how to plot and guide a serialized drama. Damon Lindelof he is not. Which is probably why he's now talking about doing away with the serialized format and going with one-off episodes. While that might ultimately work, the real problem is not that it's a serial... but that he's just not up to the task. He doesn't know what the ^^^^ he's doing.

Rule #1, Kring: Focus on characters FIRST, plot second. That's where you've gone off the rails.
 
Rule #1, Kring: Focus on characters FIRST, plot second. That's where you've gone off the rails.

Thats exactly what I said before. Characterization should drive the plot. In heroes the plot drives characterization. The heroes are whatever the plot needs them to be which makes for a lowsey ride.

Example: Nathan decides to go side with his father after seeing what ONE man with power can do to a country? It makes no sense! As a senator he should know that the majority of people lack Superman like morality. Giving a large number of people powers is like handing each one a nuclear bomb!
 
Yeah, Nathan's switch to follow his father pissed me off last night. He now has the same superiority complex as his father.

But why didn't Future Hiro just kill Arthur??!! That seems to be the easiest way to stop the bad future from happening!!
 
Because, if he went back in time to kill Arthur then he wouldn't have had any reason to go back in time in the future (since Arthur would be dead).

Although they haven't considered this interdependency loop in other time-traveling events.
 
I think the writers have got in way over their heads with the whole time travel thing. It's too complex of a thing for them to work out correctly when dealing with weekly episodes.
 
Rule #1, Kring: Focus on characters FIRST, plot second. That's where you've gone off the rails.

I agree to an extent, but think that the overall plot of the season/series is more important than the characters. The characters origins and motivations should be established and their actions should drive the narrative, but the plot should ultimately be the center of the show. Personally, I don't tune in to see what Sylar or Claire is up to or to check out what Elle is wearing this week. I want to be told a well crafted, engaging story. LOST certainly works at developing the characters and giving them depth, but the overall plot of the show is the star. Most importantly, the characters shouldn't suddenly, inexplicably shift just to suit the plot. Ultimately, the two should work hand in hand, an overall mapped out plot that arises from the decisions the characters make.
 
Noah just needs to get a axe and chop of these "heroes" heads off and then jump off a bridge with them.
 
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