Hot Toys – MMS183 The Dark Knight Rises Bane Figure

[joda76]

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Regardless of history Bane just looks way better as a baddie to me and I think most people nowadays would laugh at the Penguin imo.

 

[mikericm]

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can we get a dx talia? might as well while we're dx-dreaming here.

As cool as it would be, Dreaming is probably accurate on that. Hasbro didn't even made a 6" or 4" figure of her.


An icon is something, usually one something that, represents something else. Joker is clearly the most well know and iconic Batman villain. And although Venom and Doc Ock and a few other may deserve honorable mention, Green Goblin is the same for Spidey.

So in the broad sense of things, I don't see how any version of Bane or Penguin could be considered an icon in relation to Batman.

And we also forget that we all are using our personal opinions for who and what is iconic. And depending on our age and what version of Batmna and Spiderman, etc we grew up with, that iconic villain could be different.

 

[batfan08]

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I also find it funny how being an associate of Talia's makes him her "*****." The entire film is Bane taking control of Gotham, taking out the Batman, and all of this jazz, and yet, "nope, that's all Talia." If anything, they were both conduits of The League of Shadows, and, by extension, Ra's al Ghul. I do not believe that Talia was the "puppet master," I think that she was the "co-conspirator."

 

[eczamurai]

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Bane may have proven himself a match for the Bat in he world of comics, but in overall BATMAN lore and history, he has no real pedigree when compared to the Penguin.

Also, once again the folks crying "foul" here seem to forget one other unmentioned aspect. This Catwoman and this Penguin was the first time we saw an alternative to the aforementioned Burgess Meredith version of the character...on the big screen to boot. Not true with Bane. That in itself is enough to carry significant weight. DX Penguin...for sure. DX Bane? Possible but unlikely.

Also, let's clear one point up once and for all. Bane is not the villain of the piece. Talia Al Gul is the villain. Bane is, once again, reduced to the roll of henchman.

That's not how I viewed it.

"bring her to me, he will come for her."

Seems like he was handling the orders, and she was spying for HIM. Watch it more times and you'll understand he was calling the shots. It's why he decided to kill the bat at the end, instead of letting him live like she said. Simply because she was wrong.

 

[tommyh84]

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Not really, and the nostalgia is BS. Your reasoning is that Penguin is more iconic because the movie came out twenty years ago. This is me denying that. By that logic, you can say that Bane is more iconic because his film is fresher in the memories of audiences. You walk up to 50 people, of varying ages and backgrounds, and show them a picture of Bane and a picture of The Penguin side by side, the odds are even better that Bane is more recognizable, and thus, iconic, but you'll probably find that, if he isn't more recognizable, they'll be about equal.

You seem to be relying on the "mainstream audiences" to back up you claim that Devito's Penguin is more iconic than Hardy's Bane, and the very fact that they are "mainstream audiences" will betray your idea of what is "iconic."

You might pick flaws in my reasoning but I hope to god you re-read that and realise every flaw you're finding in my argument is more than apparent in your own

You're assuming more people would recognise Hardy's Bane over Devito's Penguin and I absoloutly 100% totally disagree with that, if I was to show my parents a picture of both I guarantee they'll only know who one of the two is and it isn't Hardy's Bane

Batman Returns has lasted the test of time and is still thought of as a classic, your refusal to accept this is the reason why your argument is going nowhere

 

[joda76]

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Yeah but your parents aren't buying 6th scale figs I am guessing. HT will base this on today and who is buying. Even Jack's Joker figure isn't really a huge seller.

 

[tommyh84]

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Yeah but your parents aren't buying 6th scale figs I am guessing. HT will base this on today and who is buying. Even Jack's Joker figure isn't really a huge seller.

That wasn't his argument though was it, he was arguing that more people would know who Tom Hardy is and would recognise his Bane over Devito's Penguin

In terms of which would sell more out of the two in the 1/6 community that's a completely different debate

 

[Jackhepburn]

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He's not bigger. He's smaller, but I think more people know Doc Oc than Goblin, and I'd say Venom is bigger than Goblin.

In the batman world, Bane would be Venom. The one who can stand toe-to-toe. Bane is an awesome villain, no matter how you look at it.

Saying only Joker deserves DX treatment because he's ICONIC is silly. Spiderman didn't even get a DX! :O

Well before I researched more into Spiderman I only really knew the Green Goblin... And by your reasoning Bane deserves a DX but even spiderman apparently isnt iconic enough for a DX..?

 

[joda76]

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That wasn't his argument though was it, he was arguing that more people would know who Tom Hardy is and would recognise his Bane over Devito's Penguin

In terms of which would sell more out of the two that's a completely different debate

It depends who you are asking. If you are asking your parents then yeah they will know Devito over Hardy. Ask someone up on what's going on with movies today and they will know both.

 

[deathbyexile]

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"bring her to me, he will come for her."

doesn't he say that in front of people who don't know who she is? not a line by which i'd judge who's doinking the cat.

 

[Jokes & Bats]

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I'd say that the Joker and Catwoman are the most 'iconic' batman villains - I think even non-Batman fans would be able to identify them.
Then I would say Penguin third followed by Two/Face.

Before Hardy and Nolan, unless you were a Batman comic fan or have a knowledge of the animated versions, I doubt a lot of people (non-Batman fans) would be able to identify Bane. Due to the populairty of the Nolan films; I currently believe a very large number of people would be able to identify Hardy as Bane - but show them a picture of an animated version, either comic or cartoon (pre-Hardy) - I would have my doubts as to whether he would be identified, especially if Batman was not also depicted in the image.

 

[tommyh84]

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It depends who you are asking. If you are asking your parents then yeah they will know Devito over Hardy. Ask someone up on what's going on with movies today and they will know both.

And ask someone who's below the age of say 15 who might have not seen Burton's original films they may only know Hardy's Bane. With all this considered more people will recognise Devito's Penguin

 

[Maglor]

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Maglor, you gonna do any mods?

Wasn't planning on it, but now that the reality of having him in-hand is hitting me I'm thinking of doing a couple...

2. Batman Begins fight in the shipyard when Batman is revealed. Love that.

Good call. That was an awesome scene.

Sewer brawl was good but not my top 2....I can think of a couple from TDK that are better imo. I just thought the whole scene was setup for Batman to completely fail. I didn't like that. I understand you want Batman to lose to Bane the first time they meet but Batman doesn't hurt Bane at all? Come on. Then the next time they meet he completely whoops Bane? Hollywood.

He did not completely whoop Bane in the second fight. He had one successful swipe with his gauntlet blade that pulled out one of the hoses on Banes mask. That is the ONLY reason he won. Bane was still physically superior to Batman.

 

[Maglor]

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It's not that Batman doesn't hurt Bane in the brawl it's just that Bane is taking it and not crying out/yelling like Bale is. Look at the faces on Bane's men when batman is hitting him. They have this look on their face like they're unsure.

And at the end, Batman's not completely beating Bane, he's taking the hits just like Bane did in the sewer brawl. Sucking up the pain just like Bane did

plus by the end, Batman had something to fight for. He wanted to save his city so that "fear" found him again, making him more desperate. Bane had thought he had already won.

Bane vs Batman during the sewer fight.

Besides the fact Batman wasen't in tip top shape, and didn't have the mentality to win; i also thought it was possible that Bane didn't feel much pain at all.

Although its never explained what Bane's mask does, i interperted as a long term pain killer apparatus. Like, his body is so damaged, that long term he needs some analgesic gas pumped into him to function normally.

So Batman going all out, wailing on him only made him more tierd. Bane was just waiting to wear him out and finish him off.

Yep, all of that too.

 

[bigpig]

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Ok Bane is ordered

Went with sideshow even with import fees still working around the same price from China

 

[eczamurai]

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Well before I researched more into Spiderman I only really knew the Green Goblin... And by your reasoning Bane deserves a DX but even spiderman apparently isnt iconic enough for a DX..?

I'm saying if DX meant a character was iconic, then SURELY spiderman would have gotten one. He's the #1 childhood hero of all!

 

[eczamurai]

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It depends who you are asking. If you are asking your parents then yeah they will know Devito over Hardy. Ask someone up on what's going on with movies today and they will know both.

My parents know Hardy's bane. They're 40/50 years old.

 

[joda76]

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And ask someone who's below the age of say 15 who might have not seen Burton's original films they may only know Hardy's Bane. With all this considered more people will recognize Devito's Penguin

I really think it would be a wash. Was the original argument who is more iconic? If it is then it would be hard to prove who is right really. It's a matter of opinion. I would say the Joker is more iconic than either of them. That's more of a no brainer though.
I know my 11 year old who has seen Returns likes Bane way more than The Penguin (BR). Not that it matters as far as being an Icon goes


Like ECZ says above Spidey would have been a DX already if being a DX is based on ICON status.

 

[Maglor]

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Also, let's clear one point up once and for all. Bane is not the villain of the piece. Talia Al Gul is the villain. Bane is, once again, reduced to the roll of henchman.

This is a lie. Once and for all.

 

[neo]

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This is a lie. Once and for all.

yeah, it's teamplay just like .. batman & catwoman!