Hot Toys –MMS120 - Iron Man 2: War Machine full spec and pics

[Darkseed]

War Machine is a 1/6th scale representation, I expect some inaccuracies based on scale. I think War Machine looks great, I find nothing too distracting in this version.

 

[JonWes]

I would also like to state that War machine has the same exact inaccurate heroic proportions as the mkIV which I am all for. Sometimes if you do people to the correct scale in the smaller sizes it looks weird. They end up looking kinda dwarfish. We're looking at these huge pics which don't really give ya a good idea of how they will look in person.

I have to agree. I like that the figures they are doing have more superheroic proportions. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea when they are focusing on realism, but I actually think they'd look slightly less impressive if they were more realistically proportioned. Even though you can pose them, they are pretty much static representations. The reason I think the proportions work in the film is that they are in a dynamic medium. The figures have to achieve that dynamism in other ways, so they have more stylized proportions. It's the same reason superheroes in comics have stylized proportions.

 

[dedguy]

Or even classical statuary.

 

[cr`]

I have to agree. I like that the figures they are doing have more superheroic proportions. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea when they are focusing on realism, but I actually think they'd look slightly less impressive if they were more realistically proportioned. Even though you can pose them, they are pretty much static representations. The reason I think the proportions work in the film is that they are in a dynamic medium. The figures have to achieve that dynamism in other ways, so they have more stylized proportions. It's the same reason superheroes in comics have stylized proportions.

in comics you have stylization over realism because that's the easier way to draw. and you're drawing from your imagination, not basing it on anything real. but if you want to do figures based on films, then realism is definitely key. i dont see the need to stylize it to make cooler. the proportion for war machine n ironman look fine as is on the official movie posters. and poster is a static medium, not a dynamic one btw.

you're making it sound as if ht is purposely stylizing the proportion, instead of trying their best to duplicate it exactly but fall short.

 

[JonWes]

in comics you have stylization over realism because that's the easier way to draw. and you're drawing from your imagination, not basing it on anything real.

Sorry but wrong and wrong. Comic artists don't draw that way because it's "easier." Superheroes are drawn at a very specific proportion because they are mean to be idealized. As someone pointed out above, it's not limited to comics. A typical human is about 6 "heads" high (you use the human head as an easy means of visual measurement) and a superhero is 7-8 heads high.

Also, it's very rare that comics draw strictly from imagination. Most artists use some kind of reference to ground their work in reality. They don't just trace it, but they use it to get the details right and then stylize it for maximum impact.

but if you want to do figures based on films, then realism is definitely key.

In your opinon.

i dont see the need to stylize it to make cooler. the proportion for war machine n ironman look fine as is on the official movie posters. and poster is a static medium, not a dynamic one btw.

What makes you think the proportions haven't been doctored in the poster?

Here's a little comparison of Iron Man to RDJ. Angles of the photos can make some variances, but you can see that Iron Man is a superhero-appropriate 7.25-heads high. RDJ is a reasonably proportioned human and is 6.5-heads high.

you're making it sound as if ht is purposely stylizing the proportion, instead of trying their best to duplicate it exactly but fall short.

Yes, I am suggesting that. Do you really think they could capture every detail so perfectly and then accidentally get the proportions wrong? It's POSSIBLE... I just wouldn't jump to that assumption. I think it's just a stylistic choice. It might not be one you agree with or one you like but I think it's a definite choice.

 

[Biojex]

JonWes that pic made me chuckle. All those Downey heads...

 

[cr`]

Sorry but wrong and wrong. Comic artists don't draw that way because it's "easier." Superheroes are drawn at a very specific proportion because they are mean to be idealized. As someone pointed out above, it's not limited to comics. A typical human is about 6 "heads" high (you use the human head as an easy means of visual measurement) and a superhero is 7-8 heads high.

it's easier to draw something according to your own style than drawing life. everyone has a style(even a kindergarten kid has a chickenfeet 'style'), not everyone can draw things as exactly as they see them.

Also, it's very rare that comics draw strictly from imagination. Most artists use some kind of reference to ground their work in reality. They don't just trace it, but they use it to get the details right and then stylize it for maximum impact.

and stylization does not derive from imagination? having no imagination makes you a lousy artist.

In your opinon.

wait, if you want to do figures based on film, capturing the exact look from the film is besides the point??? i thought that's what hot toys always strive for. i thought that's what they're about. do you work for hasbro by chance?

What makes you think the proportions haven't been doctored in the poster?

Here's a little comparison of Iron Man to RDJ. Angles of the photos can make some variances, but you can see that Iron Man is a superhero-appropriate 7.25-heads high. RDJ is a reasonably proportioned human and is 6.5-heads high.

i dont care how tall downey is compared to the mark suit. the toy is of the mark suit, not of downey. i only care how the mark suit looks compared to the real/doctored/CG/costume/whatever mark suit that's in the film.

Yes, I am suggesting that. Do you really think they could capture every detail so perfectly and then accidentally get the proportions wrong? It's POSSIBLE... I just wouldn't jump to that assumption. I think it's just a stylistic choice. It might not be one you agree with or one you like but I think it's a definite choice.

okay, by that rationale, they could also have purposely made the v1 joker less realistic because they like to stylize things according to you. the fanboys would love that rationale btw. they could chalk every flaws future figures might have to just 'stylization'.

 

[Gaia337]

JonWes that pic made me chuckle. All those Downey heads...

yeah...true. "downy" all the way. creative!

 

[Gaia337]

War Machine is a 1/6th scale representation, I expect some inaccuracies based on scale. I think War Machine looks great, I find nothing too distracting in this version.

me too. Pre-ordered on sight. can't wait to hold it immediately!!
hopefully HT won't make us waited longer than last time.
7 months of waiting, cause many time of manufacturer delays...sigh

 

[JonWes]

JonWes that pic made me chuckle. All those Downey heads...

He's so happy! Lol.

 

[dedguy]

As an artist I disagree that stylization is easier than realism. Stylization is only easier than realism if you're copying someone else's stylization in which case it's not much different from realism which is just copying life. Stylization requires you to think about what you're drawing instead of simply copying.

Now stylized drawings can be faster (although not necessarily) but not easier.

My point about the proportions is that a 1:1 scale person doesn't look the same as a 1:6 scale person even if the proportions are exactly the same. Sideshow often gets proportions pretty close and people complain about how they have giant heads. HT tends to er more on the side of more heroic in everything they do, even their nude bodies.

 

[The Ringer]

Hey Mike, what do you have slung over your shoulder?

 

[Theokan]

Another artist here, and I also disagree when someone said stylize is easier than realism, its just a common misconception. The best artists who do stylized art are usually classically trained anyway and can do realism just as well, it's more about taking one step further and going beyond just capturing what's there.

That being said, I do agree that Hot Toys shouldn't have taken artistic liberty and changed up the proportions. (They obviously did it on purpose by the way. While inaccurate to the movie, it still wouldn't have looked this good if it wasn't done on purpose.)

My wild guess is that they saw how cool the new skin-tight Mark V look from the movie, and just jumped right into doing that proportion for the Mark IV without realizing it would break the story behind it.

 

[Theokan]

About that last comment, I was more referring to the change up on the Mark IV proportions. I think the HT War Machine looks very exacting in proportion to the movie version. It's pretty much as close as it's gonna get for a heavily articulated figure.

 

[plasmid303]

If only it were as easy as on the Big Chap Alien to guess if HT took some liberties with the on-screen IM and War Machine.

 

[cr`]

we're talking about 'comic book' stylization here, right? that was the context. you dont think drawing standard comic art is easier than drawing life? is that why there are countless jim lee imitators in comic world and so far only one alex ross?

 

[dedguy]

Alex Ross isn't the only guy in comics doing realism. There's guys like JG Jones, Jon J Muth, Tim Bradstreet, Adi Granov, etc. That has nothing to do with what's easier though so much as what's more popular. There's countless Jim Lee imitators because that style was immensely popular for a period of time. Probably more popular than any other style I can think of in comics. Many of those imitators do it badly and could copy life just as badly.

I will say this... to the layman stylized stuff is easier to get away with doing badly.

 

[The Josh]

Man, some of you have way too much time on your hands.

 

[dedguy]

If we didn't why would we be posting here?

 

[The Mike]

Man...this forum is getting as bad as the Star Wars one at this point....: