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[DarthDiggler]

Of course you're right, the whole movie was a joke.

 

[DarkMagic]

yeah that's what I mean about the Nolan movies in general. they just totally lack any memorable humouress comic book moments. this is why I will always prefer the original Supermans and Batmans over the "modern" ones. the older ones had a balance of humour and serious story, for the most part. the new movies seem so hell bent on being ultra serious/gritty whatever that it makes the movies NOT FUN to watch and does not lend itself to repeat viewings like the older movies do.

remember when Hollywood used to TRY to entertain you? nowadays theres so much pretentious self righteousnevss especially in the comic book community that they have forgotten how to entertain and make memorable films. I honestly preferred it when the studio's didn't give a sh** what the fans thought and the directors were allowed to have there unique visual image on screen. nowadays batman is probably the blandest looking superhero ever, thanks to Nolan and his *lack of* vision.

There's a difference between not liking a movie/series which is fine, and straight bashing it. You really didn't see any humorous moments in the Nolan movies? What did you want exactly, slapstick, belly-aching laughter comedy? Then of course you'll be disappointed. Some of the funniest moments in both the Burton and Nolan series were muted, or morbid comedy, not laugh out loud stuff. Joker laughing over an extra crispy charred body "I'm glad you're dead!!" Yeah...HILARIOUS stuff right there, great for kids as well as adults, right? It's just as dark as the Joker's "magic trick" or "tryouts" scene in TDK...except that they actually graphically show the results of the Joker's violence on his victim's body in Batman 89.

In both series, the funniest stuff warrants at most a chuckle, Batman is not a comedy. The interactions between Alfred and Bruce are the best. Yes, the Nolan movies are grittier, but to say there are no humorous moments in the Nolan series however much you prefer the Burton series, shows either a willful ignorance of the lighter, funny parts...or just a total tone-deafness/lack of sense of humor.

A few of the moments that the entire theater chuckled during TDK:
"It was a BIG dog."
"...and your plan is to blackmail this person? Good luck."
"Accomplice? I'll tell them the whole thing was your idea."

Sorry that these subtle jokes and light moments didn't do anything for you, but plenty of people found humour in the writing and delivery of these scenes.

 

[batfan08]

Don't forget: "Didn't you get the memo?" and "Jesus, your face, I thought you were dead? 'Half.'"

 

[Frank]

This is important, and is exactly why Sallah's claims that reboots happened before the modern cinematic era are false. "King Kong" may have been made several times, but they weren't "reboots."

Yeah I never meant for my view to be the undisputed "truth". No need to start sifting out false claims man. Much respect to Sallah, he's done alot more homework than me on the subject.

Beyond reboot/restart/era whatever have you, the atmosphere leading up to 89 Batman was absolutely primed for a new take. Combined with the considerable upgrade in budget and cultural changes that took place since 1966, it was the perfect storm. To get that same effect now, we might have to wait until Bats hits his centennial. I'm not quite that insane to seriously suggest we wait that long. but it goes to show you how big an event it really was.

 

[DarkMagic]

Don't forget: "Didn't you get the memo?" and "Jesus, your face, I thought you were dead? 'Half.'"

Right on. I wasn't going to make an exhaustive list, but there are several humourous moments in these films. I'm very curious to hear the Burton moments that Batfreak thinks were much funnier than these.

 

[DarthDiggler]

Right on. I wasn't going to make an exhaustive list, but there are several humourous moments in these films. I'm very curious to hear the Burton moments that were much funnier than these.

Also:

"Let her go."

"Very poor choice of words. mwhahaha!"

 

[batfan08]

Yeah, I mean, the Burton films were just as dark as Nolan's films back in the day, if not moreso in some instances, but I think people mistake the way they embraced the more fantastical elements and didn't take the grounded approach that Nolan did for them being more "light hearted" in some respects, which really isn't the case.

I mean the "your nose is gushing blood" joke in Returns was like dark, dark, for a Batman film.

 

[sallah]

Yeah I never meant for my view to be the undisputed "truth". No need to start sifting out false claims man. Much respect to Sallah, he's done alot more homework than me on the subject.

I appreciate that man... And I hope you don't think my little tirade reply to haytil was in any way referencing you.

Right on. I wasn't going to make an exhaustive list, but there are several humourous moments in these films. I'm very curious to hear the Burton moments that Batfreak thinks were much funnier than these.

Well, I'm not Batfreak... But here's a few I still laugh at from the Burton films (and do indeed find funnier, but that is my opinion):

-(Batman)"You weigh a little more than 108"
(Vicki) "Oh really?"

-(Joker)"...My face on the one dollar bill."
(Vicki) "You must be joking"
(Joker) "Do I look like I'm joking?"
(Vicki) *shrugs* "Well...."

-(Joker)"My balloons...He stole my balloons! Why didn't somebody tell me he had one of those.... Things. Bob- Gun". *shoots Bob*

-(Penguin)"True. I was their number one son, and they treated me like number two."

-(Catwoman) "I thought you were just going to scare the Ice Princess?"
(Penguin) "She looked pretty scared to me!"

-(Clown Goon) "I mean, killing sleeping children. Isn't it that a little, uh..."
(Penguin) "No! It's a lot uh!"

-(Penguin)*After choosing a non-lethal umbrella* "Ah, ****... I picked a cute one."

Many. many more for me. Those just popped in my head.

Yeah, I mean, the Burton films were just as dark as Nolan's films back in the day, if not moreso in some instances, but I think people mistake the way they embraced the more fantastical elements and didn't take the grounded approach that Nolan did for them being more "light hearted" in some respects, which really isn't the case.

I mean the "your nose is gushing blood" joke in Returns was like dark, dark, for a Batman film.

I would somewhat agree... The humor (in Returns especially) is a little dark, maybe darker than Nolan's bits of humor. But like you said- It is in how it is grounded. In the fantasy, "comic book world" that Burton created, you aren't in reality. You are somewhere else... So things like this aren't "real life", giving us the ability to shrug them off and laugh at them. Penguin hasn't been turned into a "real guy", so him almost biting someone's nose off doesn't seem real- it seems like humor. In Nolan's strive to make his character's as "real" as possible, he checks out of the fantasy element, so Joker stops being a comic character and becomes a "real person", and the things he does (like the pencil through the eye) aren't as easily laughed off.

Again- Just my view.

Sallah

 

[TheFiend]

There's a difference between not liking a movie/series which is fine, and straight bashing it. You really didn't see any humorous moments in the Nolan movies? What did you want exactly, slapstick, belly-aching laughter comedy? Then of course you'll be disappointed. Some of the funniest moments in both the Burton and Nolan series were muted, or morbid comedy, not laugh out loud stuff. Joker laughing over an extra crispy charred body "I'm glad you're dead!!" Yeah...HILARIOUS stuff right there, great for kids as well as adults, right? It's just as dark as the Joker's "magic trick" or "tryouts" scene in TDK...except that they actually graphically show the results of the Joker's violence on his victim's body in Batman 89.

In both series, the funniest stuff warrants at most a chuckle, Batman is not a comedy. The interactions between Alfred and Bruce are the best. Yes, the Nolan movies are grittier, but to say there are no humorous moments in the Nolan series however much you prefer the Burton series, shows either a willful ignorance of the lighter, funny parts...or just a total tone-deafness/lack of sense of humor.

A few of the moments that the entire theater chuckled during TDK:
"It was a BIG dog."
"...and your plan is to blackmail this person? Good luck."
"Accomplice? I'll tell them the whole thing was your idea."

Sorry that these subtle jokes and light moments didn't do anything for you, but plenty of people found humour in the writing and delivery of these scenes.

Yeah, there were plenty of things the Joker said that made me chuckle in TDK. It comes down to taste and preference really. To say the Joker had ni funny lines or wanst funny simply isn't true. All you because certain people didn't find things humorous doesn't mean it wasn't intended to be. In most every scene he's in he said something that warranted a chuckle. Besides, I've never guffawed at anything the Joker said no matter what iteration of the character.

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[DarthDiggler]

Yeah, there were plenty of things the Joker said that made me chuckle in TDK. It comes down to taste and preference really. To say the Joker had ni funny lines or wanst funny simply isn't true. All you because certain people didn't find things humorous doesn't mean it wasn't intended to be. In most every scene he's in he said something that warranted a chuckle. Besides, I've never guffawed at anything the Joker said no matter what iteration of the character.

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That was the sheer epicness of Ledger Joker, terror and comedy rolled into one.

 

[sallah]

That was the sheer epicness of Ledger Joker, terror and comedy rolled into one.

I feel this way about Nicholson's.

That was the sheer epicness of Nicholson Joker, terror and comedy rolled into one.

It is all opinions.

Sallah

 

[DarthDiggler]

I feel this way about Nicholson's.

That was the sheer epicness of Nicholson Joker, terror and comedy rolled into one.

It is all opinions.

Sallah

Agreed.

And Nicholson Joker was awesome in his own right.

 

[Frank]

I feel this way about Nicholson's.

That was the sheer epicness of Nicholson Joker, terror and comedy rolled into one.

It is all opinions.

Sallah

89 Joker also had a scheme that you could reasonably trace it's implementation, had the trademark Joker black humor, AND had the potential to kill far more residents of Gotham. Ledger's had more twists and turns and in the end he killed a more pivotal character in Rachel. Truth be told though Rachael didn't have anywhere near the charm or femininity that Vale did to elicit more than a headscratch. What did Bruce see in this chick?

Then there was BR and I can say with complete confidence that Keaton got the hottest chicks in his movies. Helped that he and Pfeiffer had a history too.

 

[sallah]

Agreed.

And Nicholson Joker was awesome in his own right.

Sallah

 

[sallah]

Then there was BR and I can say with complete confidence that Keaton got the hottest chicks in his movies. Helped that he and Pfeiffer had a history too.

Sallah

 

[DarthDiggler]

...I can say with complete confidence that Keaton got the hottest chicks in his movies. Helped that he and Pfeiffer had a history too.

Keaton really did. I do love Anne Hathaway (celeb crush of mine) and Holmes is cute and all, but you do have a big minus 1 for Maggie Gyllenhaal.

Keaton on the other hand: Basinger and Pfeiffer in their prime= CLEAR WIN.

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

Keaton really did. I do love Anne Hathaway (celeb crush of mine) and Holmes is cute and all, but you do have a big minus 1 for Maggie Gyllenhaal.

Keaton on the other hand: Basinger and Pfeiffer in their prime= CLEAR WIN.

Don't forget about Marion Cotlliard. She is gorgeous. And I would pick Maggie over Katie but that's just me. To each his own. I want a Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman!!

 

[sallah]

Keaton really did. I do love Anne Hathaway (celeb crush of mine) and Holmes is cute and all, but you do have a big minus 1 for Maggie Gyllenhaal.

Keaton on the other hand: Basinger and Pfeiffer in their prime= CLEAR WIN.

That is one I can't hide from the wife... Pfeiffer's Catwoman is easily the hottest female movie character for me.

...and Basinger is no slouch either.

Sallah

 

[DarkMagic]

I would somewhat agree... The humor (in Returns especially) is a little dark, maybe darker than Nolan's bits of humor. But like you said- It is in how it is grounded. In the fantasy, "comic book world" that Burton created, you aren't in reality. You are somewhere else... So things like this aren't "real life", giving us the ability to shrug them off and laugh at them. Penguin hasn't been turned into a "real guy", so him almost biting someone's nose off doesn't seem real- it seems like humor. In Nolan's strive to make his character's as "real" as possible, he checks out of the fantasy element, so Joker stops being a comic character and becomes a "real person", and the things he does (like the pencil through the eye) aren't as easily laughed off.

Again- Just my view.

Sallah

The pencil to the eye scene is brutal, but it's not anywhere near as graphic as the "I'm glad you're dead! HAHA!" murder scene, the magazine photos of the bodies in Corto Maltese ("now THIS is art!"), Joker's cracked skull on the pavement, the nose gushing blood or Shreck's charred body. I don't see how any of the Nicholson Joker's murders or the graphic violence in the Burton films are any more easily "laughed off" than the Ledger Joker murders. In fact, for all the violence of Nolan's Joker, we see surprisingly little blood or gore when he kills. I think the fake Batman hanging from the noose is the only dead Joker victim where they even show any blood.

I don't know how you can simultaneously just "laugh-off" the murderous violence of Burton's Joker and Penguin because it's in a "fantasy comic book world" AND feel "terror" from his performance. Wouldn't you just laugh off and easily dismiss the feeling of terror too because that world just looks like a fantasy, not realistic place to you?

Well, I'm not Batfreak... But here's a few I still laugh at from the Burton films (and do indeed find funnier, but that is my opinion):

-(Batman)"You weigh a little more than 108"
(Vicki) "Oh really?"

-(Joker)"...My face on the one dollar bill."
(Vicki) "You must be joking"
(Joker) "Do I look like I'm joking?"
(Vicki) *shrugs* "Well...."

-(Joker)"My balloons...He stole my balloons! Why didn't somebody tell me he had one of those.... Things. Bob- Gun". *shoots Bob*

-(Penguin)"True. I was their number one son, and they treated me like number two."

-(Catwoman) "I thought you were just going to scare the Ice Princess?"
(Penguin) "She looked pretty scared to me!"

-(Clown Goon) "I mean, killing sleeping children. Isn't it that a little, uh..."
(Penguin) "No! It's a lot uh!"

-(Penguin)*After choosing a non-lethal umbrella* "Ah, ****... I picked a cute one."

Many. many more for me. Those just popped in my head.

Right, and you're proving my point:

In both series, the funniest stuff warrants at most a chuckle, Batman is not a comedy.

I gave a few examples of humor in the Nolan films, and you gave examples from the Burton ones. Both have muted humor, but I'm still not seeing any laugh out loud stuff in either. Sure, you found that Burton stuff funnier (and like you said, that's personal preference), but was ANY of it really worth more than a chuckle?...any of it laugh-out-laugh hilarious to you?

 

[DarthDiggler]

Don't forget about Marion Cotlliard. She is gorgeous.

I did!

She is a beautiful and talented actress. Loved her in Inception.