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I don't think this was a wretched POS.. But I think because it was so highly anticipated, and we've seen so many well done superhero movies, that this one had lofty expectations to live up to.

You can pick holes in most movies.. But there are some glaring holes in this one. The reason for the fight for starters and the resolution for the fight are just two big reasons this movie starts to fall for me. Add that to the goofy looking doomsday, the lack of humor, the dreary presentation, the annoying cuts and pacing issues.. You end up with a movie that because of expectations, falls even harder.

I've only seen it once and I'll probably download it when it's released digitally. But it won't change the fact that I only got a little bit of what I REALLY wanted to see.

And on the other hand you have a movie like civil war who presented the characters very well, the pacing and scenes were solid.. The reason for the fight made sense, and the plot of the movie was very interesting.

I think what really hurt this movie is that they introduced two new MAJOR characters, and still needed to include the established one. Had they built this up, given us a standalone batman movie and a standalone Wonder Woman movie prior to this, this movie would've benefitted greatly. It would've afforded them more time to build the conflict and resolve the conflict in this movie.

I'm not one of the people who hates anything DC.. I grew up with batman. I just think marvel came up with a great formula for introducing and using their heroes, and DC tried to do it in a different way with substandard results.

I'm still hopeful the DC universe can be turned around, and the majority of us can enjoy it without needing these debates. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

.. Also, this movie wasn't devoid of good things.. I thought affleck did a fantastic job, I really like him as batman and Bruce Wayne. The suit, the armored suit, the knightmare suit, the batmobile, and the batwing all looked really cool. What fight we actually did see between the two was really cool, and I was satisfied with the ending.
 
:exactly:

And as I stated, there tends to be a lot more leaders than followers because following requires the least amount of explanation.



This will be interesting. From his perspective AoU was crap but it's ok to be entertained by crap (as you said yourself), but from your perspective, you thought AoU wasn't crap but it's ok to dislike something that isn't crap.

Who will win out? :lol

:lol:lol

AoU isn't a masterpiece but it definitely doesn't deserve to be put in the same bin that IM3 and TDW sit in.

Personally, I really like it. It's probably in my top 5 MCU films.
 
I don't think this was a wretched POS.. But I think because it was so highly anticipated, and we've seen so many well done superhero movies, that this one had lofty expectations to live up to.

You can pick holes in most movies.. But there are some glaring holes in this one. The reason for the fight for starters and the resolution for the fight are just two big reasons this movie starts to fall for me. Add that to the goofy looking doomsday, the lack of humor, the dreary presentation, the annoying cuts and pacing issues.. You end up with a movie that because of expectations, falls even harder.

I've only seen it once and I'll probably download it when it's released digitally. But it won't change the fact that I only got a little bit of what I REALLY wanted to see.

And on the other hand you have a movie like civil war who presented the characters very well, the pacing and scenes were solid.. The reason for the fight made sense, and the plot of the movie was very interesting.

I think what really hurt this movie is that they introduced two new MAJOR characters, and still needed to include the established one. Had they built this up, given us a standalone batman movie and a standalone Wonder Woman movie prior to this, this movie would've benefitted greatly. It would've afforded them more time to build the conflict and resolve the conflict in this movie.

I'm not one of the people who hates anything DC.. I grew up with batman. I just think marvel came up with a great formula for introducing and using their heroes, and DC tried to do it in a different way with substandard results.

I'm still hopeful the DC universe can be turned around, and the majority of us can enjoy it without needing these debates. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

.. Also, this movie wasn't devoid of good things.. I thought affleck did a fantastic job, I really like him as batman and Bruce Wayne. The suit, the armored suit, the knightmare suit, the batmobile, and the batwing all looked really cool. What fight we actually did see between the two was really cool, and I was satisfied with the ending.

Some very good points :clap
 
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AoU isn't a masterpiece but it definitely doesn't deserve to be put in the same bin that IM3 and TDW sit in.

Personally, I really like it. It's probably in my top 5 MCU films.

I personally really like AoU also. Like you, it's in my top 5 MCU films that I enjoyed the most. Part of the reason why I collected about 85% of the figures from that film.
 
I personally really like AoU also. Like you, it's in my top 5 MCU films that I enjoyed the most. Part of the reason why I collected about 85% of the figures from that film.

85%?! Wow. That must be about 15 figures :lol

I do think it has a fair amount of issues, but it has some really strong moments and the good far outweighs the bad.
 
I don't think this was a wretched POS.. But I think because it was so highly anticipated, and we've seen so many well done superhero movies, that this one had lofty expectations to live up to.

You can pick holes in most movies.. But there are some glaring holes in this one. The reason for the fight for starters and the resolution for the fight are just two big reasons this movie starts to fall for me. Add that to the goofy looking doomsday, the lack of humor, the dreary presentation, the annoying cuts and pacing issues.. You end up with a movie that because of expectations, falls even harder.

I've only seen it once and I'll probably download it when it's released digitally. But it won't change the fact that I only got a little bit of what I REALLY wanted to see.

And on the other hand you have a movie like civil war who presented the characters very well, the pacing and scenes were solid.. The reason for the fight made sense, and the plot of the movie was very interesting.

I think what really hurt this movie is that they introduced two new MAJOR characters, and still needed to include the established one. Had they built this up, given us a standalone batman movie and a standalone Wonder Woman movie prior to this, this movie would've benefitted greatly. It would've afforded them more time to build the conflict and resolve the conflict in this movie.

I'm not one of the people who hates anything DC.. I grew up with batman. I just think marvel came up with a great formula for introducing and using their heroes, and DC tried to do it in a different way with substandard results.

I'm still hopeful the DC universe can be turned around, and the majority of us can enjoy it without needing these debates. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

.. Also, this movie wasn't devoid of good things.. I thought affleck did a fantastic job, I really like him as batman and Bruce Wayne. The suit, the armored suit, the knightmare suit, the batmobile, and the batwing all looked really cool. What fight we actually did see between the two was really cool, and I was satisfied with the ending.

Some good points in there - I disagree with the fight set-up though, I think they give a very good explanation/reason as to why they fight - and as I've said many times I loved the resolution too. There is humour in there, but let other, more kid-friendly franchise churn out the 'cheese', I like the darker tone.

I can't compare with CW, but I will say I was out tonight and met a business associate of one of my colleagues... he's not a comic book fan per se, but likes them – he absolutely trashed CW... he let fly with both barrels about how bad he thought it was... so much so, he gave away a few spoilers. I'll judge for myself, however it goes to show that not everybody buys into the MCU formula.
 
I personally really like AoU also. Like you, it's in my top 5 MCU films that I enjoyed the most. Part of the reason why I collected about 85% of the figures from that film.

Personally I think AoU is one of the worst CBMs made in recent times - up there with TDKR for me... both films get worse the more you watch them, full of ridiculous things that make you groan!
 
85%?! Wow. That must be about 15 figures :lol

I do think it has a fair amount of issues, but it has some really strong moments and the good far outweighs the bad.

That sounds about right for how many figures I have from it. The only ones I don't have are Hulkbuster, War Machine, Vision, Ultron Mk 1 and Ultron Sentry. I have 13 of 18 (not counting Hulk and the deluxe version separately, since Hulk is Hulk) so I guess that's more about 70-75% actually. :lol

Personally I think AoU is one of the worst CBMs made in recent times - up there with TDKR for me... both films get worse the more you watch them, full of ridiculous things that make you groan!

AoU for me actually gets better each time I watch it. I don't think TDKR was terrible, but it's probably my least favorite of the Nolan TDK trilogy.
 
if you meant what I said doesn't make sense, I'm not sure what's going over your head. Supes is fighting Batman because Lex has Martha and he had to either kill or convince batman. Which is not about any ideological difference between the two.

I mean... if you can't decipher what I just said, I don't know how you can decipher this movie's intentions. It's even more vague.

No, no, no...
The sentence "Supes is fighting Batman not on ideological differences but because he wasn't able to explain his MARTHA" doesn't make any sense.
"Explain his Martha"? Really?
Anyway, you thinking they are fighting solely because Lex got Martha means you missed most of the story.
Unlike you, I did understand the film.
 
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AoU isn't a masterpiece but it definitely doesn't deserve to be put in the same bin that IM3 and TDW sit in.

Personally, I really like it. It's probably in my top 5 MCU films.

To me, that says a lot about the quality of the MCU films, if AoU is in anyones top 5. Iron Man and Guardians are both really good films. I like IM3 cause it is a Shane Black film. But enough about Marvel. Top five DC film?
 
Top five DC film?

Make it six, I'm only counting the superhero films:

Batman V Superman
The Dark Knight
Man Of Steel
Batman Begins
Superman The Movie
The Dark Knight Rises

I never liked the Burton flicks but they are well loved and I'm sure they'll be on many lists.
 
To me, that says a lot about the quality of the MCU films, if AoU is in anyones top 5. Iron Man and Guardians are both really good films. I like IM3 cause it is a Shane Black film. But enough about Marvel. Top five DC film?

Ah, well you have to remember it's all subjective. I'm sure there's a lot of people that could say the same about any of the films that you personally find enjoyable and feel are good. It goes both ways.

For me personally, in no order:

- MoS
- Superman: The Movie
- BvS
- TDK
- Superman II
- Batman Begins

I'm going to list 6 also.
 
Have to say, that whilst it is not a perfect film, or indeed a perfect interpretation of Batman – the 1989 Burton film is special, regardless of box office takings (which everyone seems to be so obsessed with these days), the movie was an 'event'. There was a special feel about it coming out, from the moment the logo posters went out. Say what you want, but no other super hero movie has come close to that hype/buzz... it reminded me of the release of Star Wars in '77.

For me though...

Man of Steel
The Dark Knight
Batman v Superman
Batman Begins
Watchmen
Batman (1989)
Superman (Reeve)

Oops that's seven... oh well!
 
Have to say, that whilst it is not a perfect film, or indeed a perfect interpretation of Batman – the 1989 Burton film is special, regardless of box office takings (which everyone seems to be so obsessed with these days), the movie was an 'event'. There was a special feel about it coming out, from the moment the logo posters went out. Say what you want, but no other super hero movie has come close to that hype/buzz... it reminded me of the release of Star Wars in '77.

For me though...

Man of Steel
The Dark Knight
Batman v Superman
Batman Begins
Watchmen
Batman (1989)
Superman (Reeve)

Oops that's seven... oh well!

Two thumbs up from me on this list
 
To me, that says a lot about the quality of the MCU films, if AoU is in anyones top 5. Iron Man and Guardians are both really good films. I like IM3 cause it is a Shane Black film. But enough about Marvel. Top five DC film?

Disagree, the quality has generally been good, which has lead to its success.

1. The Dark Knight
2. The Dark Knight Rises
3. Batman Begins
4. Man of Steel
5. Batman 1989
 
Ooh - lists!

1. Dark Knight
2. Superman 2
3. Batman Begins
4. Watchmen
5. Superman


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