Hot Toys DX09 - BATMAN - Batman (Michael Keaton) - Specs & Pics

[Jameson Rook]

I'm sure the Keaton head WILL come with the Returns figure, there's just no way HT could leave that out. They have to be mad not to include it!

For the Penguin, I hope he comes with several umbrellas at least & I would love an extra Selina Kyle HS for Catwoman.

 

[Maglor]

It's ambiguous to the audience, though Burton and Daniel Waters (the writer) said she was not.

I'm of the mind that she was just lucky and always "landed on her feet". I don't think she was supernatural, she just had the will to survive after being put down all her life and had a thirst for revenge after what Shreck had done. The first time she falls through several awnings and into snow before finally hitting the ground. I believe that trauma triggered the Catwoman persona. The cats didn't put life back into her, they were hungry, starving homeless alley cats. That's pretty survivable and she comes back home a mess (and disheartened).

"Women. Nothing surprises me, Chip, except your late mother. Who'd have thought Selina had a brain to damage. Bottom line, she tries to blackmail me, I'll drop her out a higher window."

The second time Batman reacts to being stabbed under his armor and punches her off the roof. She falls into a construction truck full of building sand. The acid wound he gives her from the gadget tube inflicted more damage on her arm than the fall.

Third time is with Penguin when he feels betrayed and wraps the umbrella around her neck. She ends up falling a short distance through a skylight and into a flower bed (though some glass does cut her up, nothing life threatening though).


The ending is a bit hard to swallow though when she's shot several times by Shreck. I know they're just grazes on the arms and legs, and not as lethal as getting grazed in the face (like Bruce does which sends him to the ground) but it seems like a little much. Then again, I remember Shreck looking at the pistol in disbelief. It was underwater for a day or so (which would ruin the gun in real life), so I don't know. I don't really focus on that though because the performances by everyone in the climax is believable, especially Pfeiffer's.

This man knows his Batman.

She was licked back to life by alley cats; I'd say that qualifies. I'm really excited for this. As much as I want to see an AC Batman, I doubt it will be any time soon, and I need a Bat fix.

Never believed that was what was happening. See DiFabio's post above.

And the Zapp-Kiss of death at the end, with Shrek and a taser-gun...which actually fried Shrek to toast?

DiFabio, any thoughts on that one???

 

[DiFabio]

Did she actually kiss him? I don't think so.

She stuck the tazer and the generator cable down his throat (the end she was holding was insulated). She gets close, but I don't think she ever comes into contact with him.

Originally, in the script and the comic adaption, they have her holding the cable and actually kissing him with the tazer. The electricity kills both of them, they fry and there isn't a "Catwoman returns" ending with the batsignal. It's more depressing and Bruce goes off alone.

They of course changed that though. I don't think Catwoman comes into contact with any of the electricity. She bolts off right before the generator complex falls apart.

 

[Dollmanron]

You've got to remember to that her gloves were rubber.

 

[Maglor]

Did she actually kiss him? I don't think so.

She stuck the tazer and the generator cable down his throat (the end she was holding was insulated). She gets close, but I don't think she ever comes into contact with him.

Originally, in the script and the comic adaption, they have her holding the cable and actually kissing him with the tazer. The electricity kills both of them, they fry and there isn't a "Catwoman returns" ending with the batsignal. It's more depressing and Bruce goes off alone.

They of course changed that though. I don't think Catwoman comes into contact with any of the electricity. She bolts off right before the generator complex falls apart.

Good enough for me.

 

[haytil]

The second time Batman reacts to being stabbed under his armor and punches her off the roof. She falls into a construction truck full of building sand.

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Did she actually kiss him? I don't think so.

She kisses him.

She says she's going to kiss him, and then she opens her mouth and places it on his mouth, pretty hot and heavily. And then they kind of stand there, making out, while he's seizing and sparks are flying everywhere.

There's nothing ambiguous about it. It happens on screen.

 

[DiFabio]

https://youtu.be/lalexosgwUk?t=4m16s



They literally cut away before anyone can even see her mouth on Shreck's. She even has the tazer in between her mouth and Shreck's.

Looks like she's sticking it down his throat to me. Not kissing him and sticking her tongue down his throat. You can even see her lay him down, down in the blast.

 

[eastern]

Dear to all that have "modded" their cape (Maglor, Jokes & Bats, Elvis1976...), I was just wondering what's the best solution in getting the cool / perfect looking cape?

Based on what I've read through :-

i) Removing the inner layer of the cape (includes wires and stuff)
ii) Painting the inner layer of the cape (to obtain a black / uniformity in colour)
iii) and some futzing
...is this TRUE?

By removing the inner layer of the cape, is it that easy to futz the cape and getting similar results to what Maglor, Elvis, Jokes & Bats have obtain?

Hope to obtain some enlightenment.

Thank you.

 

[haytil]

https://youtu.be/lalexosgwUk?t=4m16s

I don't understand why you would post a clip of Catwoman and Shreck making out, as a prelude to your argument that Catwoman and Shreck didn't make out.

Honestly, I'm surprised at you DiFabio. Usually you're one of the few posters who consistently make level-headed, grounded arguments about these movies, not spouting back-contorting, fanboy crap to try and say that what's on the screen isn't what happens.

They literally cut away before anyone can even see her mouth on Shreck's. She even has the tazer in between her mouth and Shreck's.

Yeah, no ****. Of course they cut away. Because she's making out with Shreck AND AN ELECTRIC TAZER. They weren't going to make Pfeiffer and Walken actually make out with a tazer for the sake of showing it on screen - just as I'm sure audiences don't ACTUALLY want to see that kind of gore.

Here's a bit of trivia for you: Did you know that Heath Ledger didn't ACTUALLY jab a pencil into an extra's eye? It's true...it's a fact!

They move the camera shot to hide the moment of impact, during which the actor deftly moves the pencil away. (Doesn't mean that, in-universe, it didn't happen to the character, though)

Looks like she's sticking it down his throat to me. Not kissing him and sticking her tongue down his throat.

She's sticking her mouth all over his, with the tazer in between them (thus making a circuit with their two mouths conducting the electricity and burning the **** out of them).

Generally, when you move in close to someone, with your mouth open and your tongue clearly geared for action, it's as a prelude to making out with them - not sticking a foreign object down their throat.

You can even see her lay him down, down in the blast.

I don't know what this means. She's holding him up against the generator as he seizes with electricity, if that's what you mean.

 

[DiFabio]

Woah, woah, woah, woah Haytil, calm down there buddy.

I honestly didn't expect that kinda retort. You almost seem . . . angry. I'm surprised in you Haytil!

If you wanna believe that Catwoman/Selina is a supernatural zombie woman, well, you're free to do that. Go right ahead, have at it. Interpretation and perception is everything. I however, don't believe the above to be the case. She somehow got out of harms way, either by what I suggested or elsewhere. Whatever the case may be. The point of the scene is, she didn't die (either by being a ZOMBIE CAT or just being lucky and surviving) and she chose revenge over a "happy ending" with Bruce. She knew that they were both damaged goods and wouldn't be good for each other in the end.

Bruce goes off alone and depressed, this is a woman he related to and ultimately lost. The film starts to end on a grim note (contrary to the uplifting, heroic ending of the first film) and in a somber, film noir fashion until . . . BAM, the Batsignal shines once again and who appears? Catwoman.


I'm not about to be fixated or hung up on the plausibility of how or why she survived. She survived. It's a movie, don't care if it's not realistic. People can fall from heights and get electrocuted and survive. That's all I know. John McClane should be ****ing dead in everyone one of his films. Batman and Rachel shouldn't have come out of that fall unscathed like they did, they should be a twisted, red matter all over the cement.


I also know that originally, the script called for her death. She jams her clawed, taloned fingers into a circuit box and acts as a conductor to fire Shreck. In the script, she's DEAD. In the comic adaptation you see her burning corpse over Shreck's. No ambiguity, no great Catwoman ending, nothing. It was going to be even more depressing. In the movie, none of these things happen.

So for whatever reason, she survived. It makes for a great ending and a satisfying image. I don't think she's a zombie supernatural whatever, she "has 9 lives" in that she's lucky and gets out of tight situations like a cat. Not, she literally has 9 lives and cats bit their spirits back into her so that she can survive falls, eat bullets and electricity and BRAAAAAAINNNZZZZZ. That's downplaying it in my opinion.


Still, the writer said it was ambiguous and the director said she's not supernatural, so anyone can make of it what they will. I saw a strong fem fatale, woman who's a broken mirror image of Batman, sort of like Penguin (orphan of wealth, loneliness) and the Joker (Batman's antithesis) not a supernatural being that eats souls.

 

[jye4ever]

There seriously needs to be a "DiFabio on Batman" broadway show.

Ewwww, DiFabio on Batman.

But i'll still go.

 

[DiFabio]

Broadway show? **** that. DiFabio don't sing.





Nam on the other hand . . .

 

[jye4ever]

Broadway show? **** that. DiFabio don't sing.

ok fine, cable show then.

 

[highlander1]

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC9QBntYz9o&feature=player_detailpage[/ame]
Just hoping a black cat shows up at comic con with a penguin....

 

[TheFiend]

Im interested in what the penguin will look like not so much Catwoman. I guess because I've seen cool customs before. Like Di I think penguin has the potential to be one of HT's best if done right. I'm especially curious to see what the outfit would look like. Not the biggest fan of Returns and I don't think I'll get any of the figures but I want to see penguin. Unlike others that didn't like Returns I actually really liked the penguin and Devitos take on it. It's just the movie as a whole wasn't there for me.

 

[DGTWoodward]

I also know that originally, the script called for her death. She jams her clawed, taloned fingers into a circuit box and acts as a conductor to fire Shreck. In the script, she's DEAD. In the comic adaptation you see her burning corpse over Shreck's. No ambiguity, no great Catwoman ending, nothing. It was going to be even more depressing. In the movie, none of these things happen.

Exactly, she was meant to die in the original scripts, yes I too have the comic adaptation and have spent no small amount of BAT fan time sourcing bits and pieces. Nothing about the above linked clip is ambiguous...it shows Selina clearly wanting to die with Shreck, her own words echo it...she has the overhead power cable in her hands, her mouth is just as jammed onto the taser as his mouth is, sparke fly between them...you're right, she was meant to die. By your own description it is clearly filmed that way. The 'laying down of Shreck's body', was actually her charred corpse falling onto his.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC9QBntYz9o&feature=player_detailpage

So the point of this, clearly added much later, footage was...what? Surely it was to show there is something clearly 'off' about Selina Kyle...and it's not that she is just lucky.

It makes no sense other than to add questions as to how she managed to survive. If you remove that ending...she's dead, that's that, clear as day. Zapped along with Shreck.

And nobody mentioned eating brains, you make your points very well fabby but adding that sort of silliness is only to your own detriment.

 

[DiFabio]

Exactly, she was meant to die in the original scripts, yes I too have the comic adaptation and have spent no small amount of BAT fan time sourcing bits and pieces. Nothing about the above linked clip is ambiguous...it shows Selina clearly wanting to die with Shreck, her own words echo it...she has the overhead power cable in her hands, her mouth is just as jammed onto the taser as his mouth is, sparke fly between them...you're right, she was meant to die. By your own description it is clearly filmed that way. The 'laying down of Shreck's body', was actually her charred corpse falling onto his.

Nah, you don't see her corpse. In that clip at exactly 4:29 to 4:30 she's side stepping aside and lowering his body. You can see it through the sparks. Unless someone wants to say it's some stuntman in protective gear laying down a Shreck dummy.

Final film doesn't equal the script. Originally Shreck and Oswald were bros, thankfully that was scrapped. Originally Batman spoke too much until Keaton pretty much took out his lines. Originally Selina was going to die. She also didn't jam her hand into a circuit box to be a conductor of electricity into Shrek.

If she was meant to die IN THE FINAL VERSION OF THE FILM, well, guess what, Bruce would have seen her remains along with Shreck. Remember his charred, bloated, eye popped corpse? Yeah, she got out of there. She ran, she walked, whatever. All the audience needs to know is that she got away.

You can even see her silhouette in the alley, unless that's the black cat that Bruce picks up.

It makes no sense other than to add questions as to how she managed to survive. If you remove that ending...she's dead, that's that, clear as day. Zapped along with Shreck.

Bruce doesn't find a body. He sees her silhouette in an alley. Take away the ending and those two things are still there.


It doesn't make sense to survive that?


It doesn't make sense to survive this,


[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhwhkwE1nws[/ame]



Or how about people that survive getting hit by lightning?


But that's not the point, this is a movie. The point is she somehow survives. Either by what I described, or the latex rubber of her suit, or who knows what else.

And nobody mentioned eating brains, you make your points very well fabby but adding that sort of silliness is only to your own detriment.

C'mon it's humor.


I see that crap all the time, "she's A ZOMBIE", OMG, DAT ***** IZ TEH SUPERNATURAL". I was just playing it up with the braaaaaaaaaainzz remark.




We got some seriousness up in this thread.

 

[jye4ever]

Me thinks it's time for some jye points to be distributed.

 

[DGTWoodward]

Nah, you don't see her corpse. In that clip at exactly 4:29 to 4:30 she's side stepping aside and lowering his body. You can see it through the sparks. Unless someone wants to say it's some stuntman in protective gear laying down a Shreck dummy.

Final film doesn't equal the script. Originally Shreck and Oswald were bros, thankfully that was scrapped. Originally Batman spoke too much until Keaton pretty much took out his lines. Originally Selina was going to die. She also didn't jam her hand into a circuit box to be a conductor of electricity into Shrek.

If she was meant to die IN THE FINAL VERSION OF THE FILM, well, guess what, Bruce would have seen her remains along with Shreck. Remember his charred, bloated, eye popped corpse? Yeah, she got out of there. She ran, she walked, whatever. All the audience needs to know is that she got away.

You can even see her silhouette in the alley, unless that's the black cat that Bruce picks up.





Bruce doesn't find a body. He sees her silhouette in an alley. Take away the ending and those two things are still there.


It doesn't make sense to survive that?


It doesn't make sense to survive this,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhwhkwE1nws



Or how about people that survive getting hit by lightning?


But that's not the point, this is a movie. The point is she somehow survives. Either by what I described, or the latex rubber of her suit, or who knows what else.

C'mon it's humor.


I see that crap all the time, "she's A ZOMBIE", OMG, DAT ***** IZ TEH SUPERNATURAL". I was just playing it up with the braaaaaaaaaainzz remark.




We got some seriousness up in this thread.

No I enjoy your posts, you express yourself very well. I don't alway agree with you but hey...we'z all peeps a'different. I am not beyond silly gags. One quick trip to the 1/6 Doctor Who/Big Chief thread will demonstrate that, where we have had a conversation about cows mooing with west country accents and being rubbed with vodka

It gets like that between release dates

 

[Liquid]

You can even see her silhouette in the alley, unless that's the black cat that Bruce picks up.

Bruce doesn't find a body. He sees her silhouette in an alley. Take away the ending and those two things are still there.

If you allow me to throw my two cents in , the original ending was supposed to be ambiguous as far as her survival is concerned. After all, it is possible that Bruce sees her silhouette because he desperatly wants it to be her. If I recall what Burton said, the studio paid 50 000 dollars just to make the shot of Catwoman staring at the Batsignal but that's the only change they did to the ending. We, as an audience, were originally supposed to be left guessing whether or not she survived the final confrontation but the studio took that away in order to give a brighter ending to the movie.

God I love that movie!!

I can't wait for the figures!!