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Dear to all that have "modded" their cape (Maglor, Jokes & Bats, Elvis1976...), I was just wondering what's the best solution in getting the cool / perfect looking cape?

Based on what I've read through :-

i) Removing the inner layer of the cape (includes wires and stuff)
ii) Painting the inner layer of the cape (to obtain a black / uniformity in colour)
iii) and some futzing
...is this TRUE?

By removing the inner layer of the cape, is it that easy to futz the cape and getting similar results to what Maglor, Elvis, Jokes & Bats have obtain?

Hope to obtain some enlightenment.

Thank you.

That's pretty much it. I'd add that you should pull out the seam along the front edge of the cape.



Woah, woah, woah, woah Haytil, calm down there buddy. :lol

I honestly didn't expect that kinda retort. You almost seem . . . angry. I'm surprised in you Haytil!

If you wanna believe that Catwoman/Selina is a supernatural zombie woman, well, you're free to do that. Go right ahead, have at it. Interpretation and perception is everything. I however, don't believe the above to be the case. She somehow got out of harms way, either by what I suggested or elsewhere. Whatever the case may be. The point of the scene is, she didn't die (either by being a ZOMBIE CAT or just being lucky and surviving) and she chose revenge over a "happy ending" with Bruce. She knew that they were both damaged goods and wouldn't be good for each other in the end.

Bruce goes off alone and depressed, this is a woman he related to and ultimately lost. The film starts to end on a grim note (contrary to the uplifting, heroic ending of the first film) and in a somber, film noir fashion until . . . BAM, the Batsignal shines once again and who appears? Catwoman.


I'm not about to be fixated or hung up on the plausibility of how or why she survived. She survived. It's a movie, don't care if it's not realistic. People can fall from heights and get electrocuted and survive. That's all I know. John McClane should be ****ing dead in everyone one of his films. Batman and Rachel shouldn't have come out of that fall unscathed like they did, they should be a twisted, red matter all over the cement.


I also know that originally, the script called for her death. She jams her clawed, taloned fingers into a circuit box and acts as a conductor to fire Shreck. In the script, she's DEAD. In the comic adaptation you see her burning corpse over Shreck's. No ambiguity, no great Catwoman ending, nothing. It was going to be even more depressing. In the movie, none of these things happen.

So for whatever reason, she survived. It makes for a great ending and a satisfying image. I don't think she's a zombie supernatural whatever, she "has 9 lives" in that she's lucky and gets out of tight situations like a cat. Not, she literally has 9 lives and cats bit their spirits back into her so that she can survive falls, eat bullets and electricity and BRAAAAAAINNNZZZZZ. That's downplaying it in my opinion.


Still, the writer said it was ambiguous and the director said she's not supernatural, so anyone can make of it what they will. I saw a strong fem fatale, woman who's a broken mirror image of Batman, sort of like Penguin (orphan of wealth, loneliness) and the Joker (Batman's antithesis) not a supernatural being that eats souls.

Nah, you don't see her corpse. In that clip at exactly 4:29 to 4:30 she's side stepping aside and lowering his body. You can see it through the sparks. Unless someone wants to say it's some stuntman in protective gear laying down a Shreck dummy.

Final film doesn't equal the script. Originally Shreck and Oswald were bros, thankfully that was scrapped. Originally Batman spoke too much until Keaton pretty much took out his lines. Originally Selina was going to die. She also didn't jam her hand into a circuit box to be a conductor of electricity into Shrek.

If she was meant to die IN THE FINAL VERSION OF THE FILM, well, guess what, Bruce would have seen her remains along with Shreck. Remember his charred, bloated, eye popped corpse? Yeah, she got out of there. She ran, she walked, whatever. All the audience needs to know is that she got away.

You can even see her silhouette in the alley, unless that's the black cat that Bruce picks up. :lol





Bruce doesn't find a body. He sees her silhouette in an alley. Take away the ending and those two things are still there.


It doesn't make sense to survive that?


It doesn't make sense to survive this,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhwhkwE1nws



Or how about people that survive getting hit by lightning?


But that's not the point, this is a movie. The point is she somehow survives. Either by what I described, or the latex rubber of her suit, or who knows what else.




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C'mon it's humor.


I see that crap all the time, "she's A ZOMBIE", OMG, DAT ***** IZ TEH SUPERNATURAL". I was just playing it up with the braaaaaaaaaainzz remark.




We got some seriousness up in this thread.



Bravo good sir.
 
Not angry at you DiFabio, sorry to come off that way.

I just get frustrated with other posters (and other forums), where fanboy idiocy gets in the way of legitimately interesting discussions. It's so hard to find intelligent posters to discuss things like "Batman" with, especially on the internet (of which I consider you to be one).

So that resentment probably bubbled to the surface when it wasn't so relevant in this case. That, and the fact that a lot of the joy of these forums seems to have been sucked away in the last 6 months or so. (I'm seriously sick of seeing photoshopped pics with zoom-ins and Red and Green lines highlighting minute differences between action figures and set pics - there used to be a time when people took joy in the stock figures they had and 98% of all pictures were just of people showing off their cool figures in cool poses).

Anyway, another interesting difference between the script and film for "Batman Returns" is a final scene between Gordon and the Mayor at the bat-signal, which was cut before filming. The dialogue makes it clear that Batman will always be there for them - but its absence at least raises the possibility that maybe Batman *won't* be there for them - otherwise, why cut the scene?

Maybe his ordeal with Catwoman broke him so completely that he retired.

When Nolan was on the fence about coming back for a sequel to "The Dark Knight," I considered that perhaps "Batman Returns" might be seen as a distant, final entry in the Nolan Batman saga. Gotham had completed its transformation from a realistic city steeped in organized crime (Batman Begins) to a gothic nightmare carnival filled with freaks and villains (Batman Returns, as in the comics). And Batman had finally lost everything that gave his life any hope of a happy ending - even a fellow freak, Catwoman, couldn't settle down with him.

Anyway, just interesting to think about. Obviously Nolan's Batman has a definitive ending now, but you might still consider the fact that "Batman Returns" potentially lead to the retirement of the Burton Batman in his own universe.

...but the studio took that away in order to give a brighter ending to the movie.

And to open the door for the Catwoman spin-off, which ended up in development hell for a decade.
 
So that resentment probably bubbled to the surface when it wasn't so relevant in this case. That, and the fact that a lot of the joy of these forums seems to have been sucked away in the last 6 months or so. (I'm seriously sick of seeing photoshopped pics with zoom-ins and Red and Green lines highlighting minute differences between action figures and set pics - there used to be a time when people took joy in the stock figures they had and 98% of all pictures were just of people showing off their cool figures in cool poses).

No reason both collecting styles can't coexist without the hobby being spoiled for anyone.
 
While I never thought Catwoman was supernatural in Returns, I can say I at least understand why someone may perceive it that way. I think the ending is ambiguous enough to fit either scenario.
 
Yep. The fact that there are these two contrasting opinions is pretty much the definition of ambiguous.
 
No reason both collecting styles can't coexist without the hobby being spoiled for anyone.

Exactly so. :goodpost:

I personally have used the old 'Red and Green Lines' schtick to highlight what look like glaring differences between a character on screen and their respective figure prototype. I recall doing it with the IM MkVII very clearly.

You don't feel that resentment is perhaps too strong a word? You're resenting what a bunch of fans do to pass the time between delayed releases of very expensive figures. Seems a bit harsh to me...:dunno

Can I ask what you actually expect the Freaks to do between reveal, pre-order and release? We cannot post pictures of figures we do not yet have, can we?

So we speculate. And yet, despite my own personal speculation, I have always said that I do not expect a 1/6th scale figure to be perfect. It is not possible to get everything right at this scale. As have many others.
 
That, and the fact that a lot of the joy of these forums seems to have been sucked away in the last 6 months or so. (I'm seriously sick of seeing photoshopped pics with zoom-ins and Red and Green lines highlighting minute differences between action figures and set pics - there used to be a time when people took joy in the stock figures they had and 98% of all pictures were just of people showing off their cool figures in cool poses


6 months...pfft. More like 4-5 years. :monkey4
 
I am selling my 89 joker and batman 89 if anyone is interested....$220 shipped each. I have the listing also in the buy section, if you want pictures.
 
No reason both collecting styles can't coexist without the hobby being spoiled for anyone.

I don't care if other styles exist or are even visible. The problem is that the insane nitpicking has now come to DOMINATE the board, and everyone involved has to take EVERY. SINGLE. OPPORTUNITY to complain about a figure, even though they (and others) have made the same complaints a million times already.

You're resenting what a bunch of fans do to pass the time between delayed releases of very expensive figures. Seems a bit harsh to me...:dunno

I resent the negative impact it has had on the environment of the community that I have been a part of.

Can I ask what you actually expect the Freaks to do between reveal, pre-order and release? We cannot post pictures of figures we do not yet have, can we?

It used to be that we shared news (when it came), had a few small discussions, and then let things rest until the figure was released.

Now it's an endless cycle of criticism of the same things, over and over again. And for what? For a figure none of us actually have? For what purpose? There's no evidence that Hot Toys actually gives a damn about all the little bull**** people complain about.

Every once in a while, they'll fix egregious issues - though we'll never know if that's because of our complaints or because of things they were going to fix anyway. And even so, those are the egregious problems - not the kind of stuff that is typically analyzed to death now, not the stuff you need photoshop before you're in a position to be able to even point out what the problem is in the first place.

So what's the purpose of the endless, joyless repetition of criticism?

6 months...pfft. More like 4-5 years. :monkey4

Like I said, it's not the presence of that which I'm talking about, but its domination, which to me seems like a more recent phenomenon.

These boards and community helped convince me to get in the hobby, in the winter of '09. It was a much more fun place. If, back then, they had been like they are now, there's no way in hell I would've started with Hot Toys. The fun of the community is at a low-point and, on top of that, I feel the discussion just makes people overly-critical of their figures, to the point where they can't enjoy them without seeing flaws that they otherwise wouldn't have noticed. Who wants to get involved in a hobby where you spend hundreds of dollars on toys that you can't love because all you see are its problems?

I am selling my 89 joker and batman 89 if anyone is interested....$220 shipped each. I have the listing also in the buy section, if you want pictures.

Good prices.




On-topic: I came across this analysis of "Batman Returns" last night that might interest people.

https://therealsmallville.blogspot.com/2011/02/retro-film-review-batman-returns-1992.html?m=1

I never thought to consider it as an adaptation of "A Christmas Carol," though I feel the ending is more somber than the author seems to believe.
 
I don't care if other styles exist or are even visible. The problem is that the insane nitpicking has now come to DOMINATE the board, and everyone involved has to take EVERY. SINGLE. OPPORTUNITY to complain about a figure, even though they (and others) have made the same complaints a million times already.

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I resent the negative impact it has had on the environment of the community that I have been a part of.

It used to be that we shared news (when it came), had a few small discussions, and then let things rest until the figure was released.

Now it's an endless cycle of criticism of the same things, over and over again. And for what? For a figure none of us actually have? For what purpose? There's no evidence that Hot Toys actually gives a damn about all the little bull**** people complain about.

Every once in a while, they'll fix egregious issues - though we'll never know if that's because of our complaints or because of things they were going to fix anyway. And even so, those are the egregious problems - not the kind of stuff that is typically analyzed to death now, not the stuff you need photoshop before you're in a position to be able to even point out what the problem is in the first place.

So what's the purpose of the endless, joyless repetition of criticism?

Like I said, it's not the presence of that which I'm talking about, but its domination, which to me seems like a more recent phenomenon.

These boards and community helped convince me to get in the hobby, in the winter of '09. It was a much more fun place. If, back then, they had been like they are now, there's no way in hell I would've started with Hot Toys. The fun of the community is at a low-point and, on top of that, I feel the discussion just makes people overly-critical of their figures, to the point where they can't enjoy them without seeing flaws that they otherwise wouldn't have noticed. Who wants to get involved in a hobby where you spend hundreds of dollars on toys that you can't love because all you see are its problems?

Good prices.

On-topic: I came across this analysis of "Batman Returns" last night that might interest people.

https://therealsmallville.blogspot.com/2011/02/retro-film-review-batman-returns-1992.html?m=1

I never thought to consider it as an adaptation of "A Christmas Carol," though I feel the ending is more somber than the author seems to believe.

WOW!!

:thud:

What your are saying is that you want the board to be only 'your way or the highway' but I don't actually see how this can happen, realistically.

Now, I do not have Photoshop. I have never used it...I don't know how to use it. But that does not mean that I do not enjoy or appreciate other people's efforts to express themselves through it.

As recent re-adopter of this fabulous hobby - my wife and I collected a lot of 007 SSC figures in the mid to late 2000's - we went off for a while (marriage house, car etc) but now in the last 18 months we have comeback strong. We personally have found these kinds of contributions very helpful. And fans are always going to discuss the minutiae of their hobby subject...it cannot be avoided.

So whose view is the right view?

I am sorry you don't like these contributions, I honestly don't know what to suggest.
 
WOW!!

:thud:

What your are saying is that you want the board to be only 'your way or the highway' but I don't actually see how this can happen, realistically.

I think you are completely misinterpreting what I am saying and actually getting the opposite meaning out of it.

By "I don't care if other styles exist or are even visible," I am saying "I do not mind if other styles exist or are even visible." I don't care as in "it doesn't bother me."

I don't want it to be "my way or the highway." I just don't want it to be "Any one specific way or the highway."
 
I think you are completely misinterpreting what I am saying and actually getting the opposite meaning out of it.

By "I don't care if other styles exist or are even visible," I am saying "I do not mind if other styles exist or are even visible." I don't care as in "it doesn't bother me."

I don't want it to be "my way or the highway." I just don't want it to be "Any one specific way or the highway."

I based my interpretation on what you said after that actually...

I resent the negative impact it has

Now it's an endless cycle of criticism

the kind of stuff that is typically analyzed to death now

what's the purpose of the endless, joyless repetition of criticism

The fun of the community is at a low-point

overly-critical of their figures, to the point where they can't enjoy them

If I did misunderstand you then, it's my bad and I apologise. Though in my own defence, I should like to express two thoughts....I would like to ask, is it actually hard - based on the above quotes from the whole of your post - to see why I reached my conclusion? And, I personally do see the faults in some figures, but I still buy them because I want them I like them and I am not expecting perfection at 1/6 or even 1/4 scales.

These are action figures, not clones. Made by imperfect human hands. Things are always going to be too long, or too short, or too big or too small. I expect it and it does not stop me from buying.
 
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I would like to ask, is it actually hard - based on the above quotes from the whole of your post - to see why I reached my conclusion?

No, it's not, and that's why I clarified. "I don't care" can mean different things, which is why I saw the need to explain that I meant it one way, not the other.
 
Can someone please show me or explain in steps, how to remove the wire in the cape for better possing please. I have played around with the cape for weeks, and Im almost over it. Help Please!!!
 
I don't care if other styles exist or are even visible. The problem is that the insane nitpicking has now come to DOMINATE the board, and everyone involved has to take EVERY. SINGLE. OPPORTUNITY to complain about a figure, even though they (and others) have made the same complaints a million times already.

Well yes, that can be annoying. I don't think that mean the boards are going to hell or anything though. :dunno
 
I feel like when people are shelling out the amounts of money these figures are going for that a certain amount of pickiness is acceptable.
 
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