Hot Toys -MMS 115 -WATCHMEN - The Comedian- Spec and pics

[bandito]

An observation: Melting of the vest is likely due to the reaction between the rubbery materials of the "upper" torso and "the vest" resulting in "the vest" disintegrating.

I've 2 comedian rubber suit that has not touch the default body since I got it, & both are fine to this day (more than a year). So if your vest is still intact, try to separate the 2 "rubbers" from having contact with each other.

Less likely to be the straps... as the portion that has melted is "exclusively" rubber torso/vest contact?

 

[Raymond F.]

This is what I'm saying here, like bandito has done, let's think and brainstorm of some possible solutions instead of just whining about it. Obertfrog should have us set up for a replacement, and in the mean time let's think of ways to be preventative.

 

[thenammagazine]

This is what I'm saying here, like bandito has done, let's think and brainstorm of some possible solutions instead of just whining about it. Obertfrog should have us set up for a replacement, and in the mean time let's think of ways to be preventative.

Are you blatantly ignoring the fact that several solutions have already been presented here? Or do you not read back before you post? Because you just keep repeating yourself.

 

[Raymond F.]

Well I dunno. I don't really see the need for the snarky attitude that we are seeing. This is supposed to be a community where we are free to discuss ideas and help each other out without judgement.

Obviously you know I've been following these posts and even offering a few suggestions myself.

Ive just seen you verbally assault the poor guy who offered the suggestion about armor all and anytime anyone else offers some suggestions you go out of your way to put them down. it's not the most productive thing in the world.

Maybe that was the wrong thing to do with the armor all, hell I don't know but at least he offered ideas? I'm not trying to throw you under the bus or anything, obviously you seem to have some prior knowledge to these kinds of things from the batman situation or whatever but remember not all these guys have that figure or have one that had any problems. I know your pissed, i feel your pain, trust me man we all are. These things cost too much money to fall apart after a year and yes Hot toys should do something but if they don't we all want the problem gone regardless.

If you have some feedback to share that's constructive i can promise you we'd all you know your insight. I for one would and I say that with sincerity, But let's just keep the discussion constructive please. like if we were all in a room talking and not hiding behind computer screens, we can be civil and supportive. I for one welcome suggestions from other members and don't want to see them discouraged for sharing.

Now that that's said, what I came here to post about was I wanted to let everyone know that, if it comes down to the fact we may need to replace the rig, I want all the guys who bought smiley decals from me before to know that I'll send whoever needs more at no cost other than covering me for postage... Whatever we can do to keep costs down for fixing up this damn thing that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

 

[thenammagazine]

Well I dunno. I don't really see the need for the snarky attitude that we are seeing. This is supposed to be a community where we are free to discuss ideas and help each other out without judgement.

Obviously you know I've been following these posts and even offering a few suggestions myself.

Ive just seen you verbally assault the poor guy who offered the suggestion about armor all and anytime anyone else offers some suggestions you go out of your way to put them down. it's not the most productive thing in the world.

Maybe that was the wrong thing to do with the armor all, hell I don't know but at least he offered ideas? I'm not trying to throw you under the bus or anything, obviously you seem to have some prior knowledge to these kinds of things from the batman situation or whatever but remember not all these guys have that figure or have one that had any problems. I know your pissed, i feel your pain, trust me man we all are. These things cost too much money to fall apart after a year and yes Hot toys should do something but if they don't we all want the problem gone regardless.

If you have some feedback to share that's constructive i can promise you we'd all you know your insight. I for one would and I say that with sincerity, But let's just keep the discussion constructive please. like if we were all in a room talking and not hiding behind computer screens, we can be civil and supportive. I for one welcome suggestions from other members and don't want to see them discouraged for sharing.

Now that that's said, what I came here to post about was I wanted to let everyone know that, if it comes down to the fact we may need to replace the rig, I want all the guys who bought smiley decals from me before to know that I'll send whoever needs more at no cost other than covering me for postage... Whatever we can do to keep costs down for fixing up this damn thing that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

Drama queen much? I didn't verbally assault him. He gave some very BAD advice what's already been proven as "bad." I stated such and he took offense to it stubbornly despite several other members stating the same thing. Additionally, there is already positive discussion regarding casting new suits and what material to use. That's as good as it gets, but seeing as how you've apparently been following this since the beginning, I guess you just have poor reading comprehension skills.

 

[Raymond F.]

Whatever man you can shoot with the insults but I don't get my jollies from insulting strangers on the internet of all things. A little sad really... so I'm taking the high road on this one so that being said I'm going to switch this to something productive.

Solutions offered

1) freezing and armor all. Apparently is no good because armor all can damage rubber in the long run. But the member who posted this said freezing had something to do with why this is an exception. Id love more clarity.

2) super glue as mentioned by King Grayskull, would love more details, was this used as a sealant or to repair a tear?

3) using a sealant like a spray coat or a nail polish hardener to trap in the oil... Have no idea but it's just a thought

4) separating the rubber from the body. What could be done? Fabric cut and glued underneath? A ziplock bag or something of the like cut to shape? Etc. Would love some ideas.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

 

[lt0778]

ray i wish i had a solution to our problem i'm so upset about this hopefully well get a solution because this is such a awesome figure and thanks to seb sending me a rorschach kit to complete my custom i thought my watchmen line was complete, and now this nonsense we gotta deal with.

 

[Foxdie45]

Sounds like somebody needs to go let some anger out (dorky guy with wrestler icon) with airsoft guns or something. People just trying to help each other out and you have some guy being all negative. It's alright Raymond I feel you.

 

[thenammagazine]

Sounds like somebody needs to go let some anger out (dorky guy with wrestler icon) with airsoft guns or something. People just trying to help each other out and you have some guy being all negative. It's alright Raymond I fell you.

According to you, Raymond's Comedian issues are a figment of his imagination. Same with everybody else here who's having the same issue. Nice to see you found a new thread to troll though.

 

[Foxdie45]

According to you, Raymond's Comedian issues are a figment of his imagination. Same with everybody else here who's having the same issue. Nice to see you found a new thread to troll though.

No see I did read this thread . Seems like you were already doing the trolling long before I came anyway. But to your point all I said was you can not say everyone who owns the Comedian figure is having problems, cause not everyone who owns him post on these boards.

 

[thenammagazine]

No see I did read this thread . Seems like you were already doing the trolling long before I came anyway. But to your point all I said was you can not say everyone who owns the Comedian figure is having problems, cause not everyone who owns him post on these boards.

That's not what you said. This is:

So out of all the figures made from HT it seems the only problem they have had are MAINLY on the TDK figure and the Comedian figure? Not bad if you ask me from a company that makes toys. I agree though with some posters that in a day and age of the internet when one person has a problem either with a service or a product it get's blown out of proportion and is extremely over quantified.

Comedian's become somewhat of an epidemic given most everybody who's gone to check theirs has noticed this issue. Hardly the random occasion of a single person or even a handful. And then there's this:

Yeah or maybe you don't play with yours like a 8 year old. Or you don't put it on a window seal.

Which, quite ignorantly, doesn't explain the poor guy whose figure was leaking right out of the box and ridicules everybody who's discovered leaking on figures they've owned for a while as putting "it on a window seal" or playing with their toys like an "8 year old."

 

[amusedjester]

An observation: Melting of the vest is likely due to the reaction between the rubbery materials of the "upper" torso and "the vest" resulting in "the vest" disintegrating.

I've 2 comedian rubber suit that has not touch the default body since I got it, & both are fine to this day (more than a year). So if your vest is still intact, try to separate the 2 "rubbers" from having contact with each other.

Less likely to be the straps... as the portion that has melted is "exclusively" rubber torso/vest contact?

Didn't the DX2 dark knight had a regular TT body and not the rubber upper torso? So I am not sure if the contact between the two is the cause. Having said that, I do have a comedian which I removed and used the body for another figure and substituted a regular TT body and mine has no evidence of any leaks or stickiness or deterioration.

I think I am leaning toward the explanation that it was a mishandled curing process of the rubber material that is causing the early deterioration. One of the poured batches must have cured improperly and it is just a matter of poor luck if you get one from those batches.

There may be a way to seal the rubber but i think it would render it motionless because any motion would crack the sealant.

 

[KingGrayskull]

Superglue wasnt mentioned by me. However I would never use superglue for seeling my figures. Maybe some varnish by Games Workshow, but I really see no reason to.

From my view, we should accept the fact that atleast the upper suits are total damage and not worth keeping. Further it becomes pretty clear that HT wont help us. So in my eyes it is not worthy to invest any costs in a suit. Everything you do will - in its best case - only slow the issues but not stop it. You cannot give the oil back to the suit and get in original shape. Yet we should all let HT know what has happened and how much this sucks.

I believe we will get some nice alternatives too. Olbertfrog is going to offer a resin replacement and I will hopefully be able to show another one more flexible and more like the original piece in the next 2-4 weeks. This is (hopefully) not ment to be competition between olbertfrog and me, but if I were in need of a new suit, I would wait for the first proto pics.

 

[thenammagazine]

Superglue wasnt mentioned by me. However I would never use superglue for seeling my figures. Maybe some varnish by Games Workshow, but I really see no reason to.

From my view, we should accept the fact that atleast the upper suits are total damage and not worth keeping. Further it becomes pretty clear that HT wont help us. So in my eyes it is not worthy to invest any costs in a suit. Everything you do will - in its best case - only slow the issues but not stop it. You cannot give the oil back to the suit and get in original shape. Yet we should all let HT know what has happened and how much this sucks.

I believe we will get some nice alternatives too. Olbertfrog is going to offer a resin replacement and I will hopefully be able to show another one more flexible and more like the original piece in the next 2-4 weeks. This is (hopefully) not ment to be competition between olbertfrog and me, but if I were in need of a new suit, I would wait for the first proto pics.

 

[KingGrayskull]

Didn't the DX2 dark knight had a regular TT body and not the rubber upper torso? So I am not sure if the contact between the two is the cause. Having said that, I do have a comedian which I removed and used the body for another figure and substituted a regular TT body and mine has no evidence of any leaks or stickiness or deterioration.

Ever checked the DX body? Mine is full of oil and as wet as can get. To be honest I have given up on the DX issue. I am pretty sure I will see this figure falling down slowly to its parts so I need to work on a replacement for that one too, sooner or (most likely) later.

 

[amusedjester]

That's why i thought having regular TT body or the rubber body wouldn't be a prime reason for the leak. I just happen to use the Comedian rubber body for a custom and used a regular TT body. Just didn't explain myself well.

 

[bandito]

Didn't the DX2 dark knight had a regular TT body and not the rubber upper torso? So I am not sure if the contact between the two is the cause. Having said that, I do have a comedian which I removed and used the body for another figure and substituted a regular TT body and mine has no evidence of any leaks or stickiness or deterioration.

I think I am leaning toward the explanation that it was a mishandled curing process of the rubber material that is causing the early deterioration. One of the poured batches must have cured improperly and it is just a matter of poor luck if you get one from those batches.

There may be a way to seal the rubber but i think it would render it motionless because any motion would crack the sealant.

This actually supports my theory. Bad reaction between rubber torso & vest. For DX02's case, the outer suit is a combination of more than one rubber material for the Abs and upper arms... hence leaking between the interfacing materials. I would say there is little to no reaction between ABS & PVC plastics to the rubber material.

I too used Adv. TT for both my Comedian suits and not the default body, and no vest deterioration. So that's at least 3 occurrences of (presumably) 3 separate batches, that separates the contact between the rubbers.

 

[KingGrayskull]

From what I see it still is the prime reason. Maybe the rubber didint cure long enough or whatever, but it is obvious that if the rubber touches plastic it seems to leak at least faster.

My DX Bats leaks all over his body under the suit, leaked at the shoulder until I raised the shoulder pads so that they dont touch the arms anymore. Also HT has used a different material on his belly when they did replacements. No more leaking between belly and (plastic) belt now. Summed up, very poor quality.
Maybe we should open interest threads for replacements directly when spec pics are on.

 

[olbertfrog]

Guys Nam might be a bit tough, normal since he's a drill instructor ^^, but i'm sure he mean no harm.
So lets cool it we are here to enjoy and help ourselves.

I don't there is a batch thingie for the moment.
Most of the people who posted had oil leaks, i just received a mail from my seller about my replacement and he's opened a few boxes and ALL of them were leaking.
I think it's just a matter of time.

PRECISIONS ABOUT THE REPLACEMENT.
Kingrayskull you are wrong, please don't spread this info about a rigid replacement.
A quick read of the first post of the interest Thread will clear up your mind if it needs to.
The replacement material has not been decided yet!
"Hard" (like USCM armor) of soft material (like the original HT suit).
Both options could be probably be offered.
It's more about what people wants.
I was asking for opinions about what vesrion you guys would prefer.
Sound your voice on the replacement thread.
Thanks.

So the harness is not leaking?
It's the contact with the latex of the muscular body, that makes the vest leak and then the harness?

Guys would love to see pics of your Comedian on a regular TT Body. Thanks!

 

[bandito]

So the harness is not leaking?
It's the contact with the latex of the muscular body, that makes the vest leak and then the harness?

Guys would love to see pics of your Comedian on a regular TT Body. Thanks!

Oil/liquid on the harness is most likely transfered over from the vest. The PVC-like material of the harness is unlikely to deteriorate.