Hot Toys - MMS 117 Terminator 2 Model T-800 spec + hi-res pics

[MaulFan]

I think that has more to do with overly ambitious predictions than film quality. It may have done just fine but if they expected a Transformers level of money grossing with it, of course it'll look like a flop. I don't think any Terminator film is ever going to be a huge success like the original two, you can do better than 3, which T:S was, but sci-fi seems like a genre loaded with over the top effects and creations and not given much story anymore, not like the used to.

 

[a-dev]

As I said in a previous post just have him play an old soldier in a new Terminator film and played like Dutch, i.e. with a bit more seriousness and less of the usual Arnie humour....heck they should have him in fact be Dutch Schaeffer and link the Terminator verse to the Predator verse! Imagine if the model 101s were actually based on the guy who first encountered the Predator species. In a universe where Aliens exist the T-1000 becomes a bit more believable too. I'm kinda joking but at the same time......could be interesting. I see no reason that those 2 universes have to be exclusive. Of course there'd probably be legal obstacles.

Did you just single-handedly invent a whole new franchise there - Terminators v. Predators?

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

I'm not so much suggesting we need to see Terminator VS Predator but that by simply having Dutch Schaeffer be the basis of the model 101 T-800 a connection between the 2 film series (and thus the 2 universes) could be implied - sorta like how the Alien skull on the Predator ship first implied a connection between those 2 film universes. You wouldn't need to even mention Predators let alone see any - just use the Dutch Schaeffer character because it could fit in the Terminatorverse. Its believable that after the Predator encounter, covered up to the world at large though it may have been, Dutch became well known to higher-ups in the military and in the government and would have been high on the list to use as a model for future supersoldiers etc. And importantly you could have Arnold play him again even at his current age and the way he looks now...though hopefully a bit more back in shape than he has been recently. As for any actual Arnie Terminators that may appear - CGI those, don't try to pass old Arnie off as one.

 

[Matt13]

I feel salvation was a good starting point, Connor wasn't a leader yet and he was still fighting to get people to take him seriously except for certain groups. The next one could easily start with a new larger attack on the resistance by skynet from an underground base. We would be seeing those war scenes like from the first and Connor would be running missions and leading.

 

[thenammagazine]

I feel salvation was a good starting point, Connor wasn't a leader yet and he was still fighting to get people to take him seriously except for certain groups. The next one could easily start with a new larger attack on the resistance by skynet from an underground base. We would be seeing those war scenes like from the first and Connor would be running missions and leading.

 

[dcflake]

Hence the word WAS. Its pretty dissapointing Salvation didnt do as well as predicted.

Bizzarely I think it did better than if it were just a standalone movie with no Terminator franchise attached to it. It would have reviewed better but performed worse sales wise. I think too many film snobs just railed on it because It was not in the same league as the first two and didn't judge it on it's own merits. I hate critics like that.

 

[snoop101]

I think too many film snobs just railed on it because It was not in the same league as the first two and didn't judge it on it's own merits. I hate critics like that.

I agree. Plus as soon as one film critic hates on it, everyone else hops on the bandwagon.

 

[karamazov80]

But apologists for what most folks consider bad films always seem to have that argument (I've seen a bit of that in the Alice in Wonderland thread). You are comparing any movie you see to some general idea of what a good or bad film is. I don't think anyone was expecting T2 when they saw Salvation, just a decent story with decent acting and direction where the viewer could have a good time. For many, it failed on those levels. Self included. Movie was tedious, badly paced, badly acted, etc.

 

[a-dev]

T3 was an embarrassment. T4 I think is an OK film but only OK. It got rid of the stupid jokes but in their place gave us certain stupidities like John connor seemingly not caring whether the whole world finds out that Kyle Reese is his dad - even telling who he believed to be the enemy at the time - Marcus; Skynet's master plan with Marcus and leading Connor to the home-base instead of just programming Marcus to kill him on sight; the ensuing battle with the T-800 where the Terminator passes up multiple opportunities to do what its supposed to do and kill; making Marcus the centre of the film at all - a one-off character who was never mentioned before - why do we want to know about this guy???

These things I just find hard to ignore, but it was otherwise decent. Just not what I really wanted to see - the precise 2029 events leading up to the events of the first film.

 

[Khev]

Salvation is basically fan fiction to me, but still fun to watch. The story began with T1 and ended with T2, IMO.

 

[thenammagazine]

But apologists for what most folks consider bad films always seem to have that argument (I've seen a bit of that in the Alice in Wonderland thread). You are comparing any movie you see to some general idea of what a good or bad film is. I don't think anyone was expecting T2 when they saw Salvation, just a decent story with decent acting and direction where the viewer could have a good time. For many, it failed on those levels. Self included. Movie was tedious, badly paced, badly acted, etc.

I disagree. I think most ADD fans were expecting a non-stop grinder action flick and were bummed out when they discovered that the movie was was not the mindless throttle they thought it'd be but moreso a surprisingly human story about John Connor's comeuppance as the leader of the resistance and realizing the whole "more human than human" aspect behind Marcus.

 

[karamazov80]

But T1 wasn't a "non-stop action thrill-ride!" You may be right though, in that criticism of that movie could have come not only from critics, but from teeny-boppers who wanted to see robots blowing stuff up or whatever. Personally, it did nothing for me as a dramatic story. I didn't care for any of the characters or what they were doing. The Chekov kid did a pretty good job, though.

Back slightly onto topic, though, T2 was a pretty good movie!

 

[preeny101]

Back slightly onto topic, though, T2 was a pretty good movie!

With the exception of T3, they are all good, IMO. As far as HT Terminator figs, I am going to try to hold out for a Tech Noir Terminator and Kyle Reese. I probably won't be that strong, though.

 

[MaulFan]

And the T2 figure's a pretty kickass figure that needs to ship soon

 

[Boba Ben]

I sold off all of my Salvation Terminator figures. They're not like AVP Predators where I'll want to keep them in my collection even if I thought the film wasn't too great.

I'm going to stick with the basics with Terminator and get everything from T1 and T2. My BD Endo needs some buddies. I hope this line sees a great abundance of releases.

 

[thenammagazine]

But T1 wasn't a "non-stop action thrill-ride!" You may be right though, in that criticism of that movie could have come not only from critics, but from teeny-boppers who wanted to see robots blowing stuff up or whatever. Personally, it did nothing for me as a dramatic story. I didn't care for any of the characters or what they were doing. The Chekov kid did a pretty good job, though.

Back slightly onto topic, though, T2 was a pretty good movie!

No, I absolutely agree. T1 was more SciFi/Horror than anything else. T2 was a well written (almost mindless) action flick and T3 was a "check your brain at the door" grinder. Fun for what it was but about as deep as an inflatable kiddie pool. I think everyone's opinion on T:S would/will change if/when the sequels are released.

 

[bigpig]

Guess am one of the only ones that liked T:S and also liked Bale. He seemed arrogant but that works for me as he was spoon feed since he was no age that he was going to be the greatest leader of all time, you would have a chip on ur shoulder also

He was overshadowed by Marcus for sure

 

[CyberVillain]

making Marcus the centre of the film at all - a one-off character who was never mentioned before - why do we want to know about this guy???

I totally disagree.
I think Marcus was a much more interesting character then Connor (Atleast in Salvation). I wouldnt mind if they had killed him in the end let Marcus lead the resistance (I read somewhere that this was actually the originally plan but it cancelled in the last minyte)

 

[garou_terry]

And the T2 figure's a pretty kickass figure that needs to ship soon

yeah man! i mean, i'm a Batman freak first and foremost, but i don't think i've been this excited for the arrival of a figure! it's just awesome beyond words! is the shirt cotton ribbed?

 

[Eamon]

Terminator Salvation's biggest problem is the lack of any kind of fear.
Both T1 and T2 had something that was genuinley scary.
T4 with all the dark elements at it's disposal (living tissue stuff and all that) should've be proper dark. The trailer with that great track by NIN was proper dark.

McG can direct good action but that is where his skill stops I think.

 

[CyberVillain]

Terminator Salvation's biggest problem is the lack of any kind of fear.
Both T1 and T2 had something that was genuinley scary.
T4 with all the dark elements at it's disposal (living tissue stuff and all that) should've be proper dark. The trailer with that great track by NIN was proper dark.

McG can direct good action but that is where his skill stops I think.

I dont think that T2 was scary at all. And i was only twelve when it first came out.
T1 was a lot more scary and dark.

edit: A T1 pipebomd damaged Endo would be really cool btw!
edit2: A diorama with Sarah and the endo reaching for her thorugh the grate, even cooler! "You're terminated ____er"