Hot Toys MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

[Motuxmen]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

They could've scratched the Keaton kitbash in order to include the Glider and keep the price reasonable.

Seriously, aside from the HS, who wants a MK tuxed figure? It's not like the Armory where it makes sense since you get Alfred as well. Who do you display Keaton with?

I guess it is what it is. At this point, there's just no reason to keep complaining I guess.

It's fine to wish they made it. all I am saying is that it's not like the falcon where they just engineer some plastic pieces that fold up and are not attached to the body.

Having to make the glider for this would require a complete redesign. Becuase of the way the suit is designed and the materials it's made from. It's not as simple as ditching the Wayne tux figure. I asked my friend a few more questions about this becuase of the mixed reviews and glider stuff.

They looked into making the glider. But engineering wise it would have been a lot more difficult. The key to getting this figure out has been keeping in house costs down. It's a fan demanded figure but one that may not fly off the shelf. Keeping the cost down was more important. The profit margin on this figure is below what they generally are comfortable with.

All that said, I would have liked the glider more then tux Bruce. I'm not a fan of civilian clothes figures. But surprisingly they sell pretty well I'm told. So I agree it would have been nicer to have the glider. But getting the figure is still very cool.

Edit-and if you read the thread, to answer your question about who wants civi Bruce, there have been nearly as many posting they like/want it as those that don't..

 

[CollectorGuy]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

yeah well that tux looks crap and the hs not too great either. Even if they fix it i still only want batman himself as i don't need a tux bruce.

 

[jankatana]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

So, my question is why do the ripped cowl but no catwoman? but then again why do tonto and no lone ranger, weirdness

 

[Bluevoice]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

I think the final headscuplt will be fine. Did anyone notice the set is not on Hot Toys homepage, only the single pack Batman figure is. Looks like they're not wanting to push the set hard, and they only want to show us what the concept is, instead of a finalized product.

I think they got the message about the headsculpt, otherwise why bother and show us a different headsculpt prototype? If we'll get the headscuplt J.C. Hong showed us we'll have a great set!

 

[CollectorGuy]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

still in the end though it will be just bruce in a tux, not the best look. If the head turns out good then it can be used for customs at least.

 

[Bluevoice]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

I only wish they would enclose a second longer cape. Seems that they choose to go with a short (battle cape). As I remember it Batman has a longer cape when he gets out of the Batcave (the sequence when choosing a Batman outfit), or am I wrong?

 

[vito81]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

I only wish they would enclose a second longer cape. Seems that they choose to go with a short (battle cape). As I remember it Batman has a longer cape when he gets out of the Batcave (the sequence when choosing a Batman outfit), or am I wrong?

 

[Bluevoice]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

@vito81: Exactly what I mean, cape on the figure seems a little shorter, or am I mistaken?

 

[Motuxmen]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

@vito81: Exactly what I mean, cape on the figure seems a little shorter, or am I mistaken?

You are mistaken.

And to jankatana-first, they wouldn't include a catwoman with batman so your question about having a cowl and no catwoman is not relevent. They are not putting a whole extra unique figure as a free pack in. That's crazy talk. And as for the comparison about why no Lone Ranger...that's because tonto was the worst selling figure ever. Not weird, but business. These figures are not free to make. So if a property or license or brand has poor sales they won't just keep making figures so the few that did buy can get a complete team. It's like saying why didn't they make a sequel to John Carter, or Lone Ranger or any other movie that bombs (like say I am number 4) that wasn't wrapped up. It's not weird. Or crazy. Sales drive nearly everything.

 

[jankatana]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

Motuxmen: you misunderstood my comment, I wasn't meaning to include a catwoman, but regards the relevance of the ripped cowl and catwoman, as its from the same scene in the movie.

 

[Malgus]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

I placed PO on the single and the 2 pack at BBTS. If they do improve the HS for BW then I am getting 2 pack if not, I'll cancel it and stick with the single.

Yet another living reason for NRD. Thanks for eventually causing everything to have NRD.

 

[melkorjunior]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

You are mistaken.

And to jankatana-first, they wouldn't include a catwoman with batman so your question about having a cowl and no catwoman is not relevent. They are not putting a whole extra unique figure as a free pack in. That's crazy talk. And as for the comparison about why no Lone Ranger...that's because tonto was the worst selling figure ever. Not weird, but business. These figures are not free to make. So if a property or license or brand has poor sales they won't just keep making figures so the few that did buy can get a complete team. It's like saying why didn't they make a sequel to John Carter, or Lone Ranger or any other movie that bombs (like say I am number 4) that wasn't wrapped up. It's not weird. Or crazy. Sales drive nearly everything.

I understand the importance of keeping costs down--though Hot Toys' insistence on it in this case makes me think we're never getting a Catwoman. I also think the glider, while a pretty cool accessory, would not have been something I would have posed my figure with. It most likely would have ended up in the box. But I'm still going to complain a little about the tuxedo. Why couldn't they have given Bruce the civilian look he had in the movie's most important scenes in the Batcave? The tuxedo is just so generic. I know they saved some money reusing the tuxedo from some other figure, but is it really that expensive giving us a new civilian outfit?

Also, why did they pursue the license for Batman Returns if they didn't think it would be particularly profitable? All they ended up doing is annoying Batman Returns fans for three years.

 

[MegaPrime33]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

THe Keaton sculpt throws me off completely from ever getting this set. And if I didn't already have the 89 batman figure, I would just buy Bats alone, especially at $219, which is a steal for this imo.

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

I am leaning more towards the 2 pack. The ripped cowl and Keaton head was my favorite scene from the film.

 

[surforia]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

You are mistaken.

And to jankatana-first, they wouldn't include a catwoman with batman so your question about having a cowl and no catwoman is not relevent. They are not putting a whole extra unique figure as a free pack in. That's crazy talk. And as for the comparison about why no Lone Ranger...that's because tonto was the worst selling figure ever. Not weird, but business. These figures are not free to make. So if a property or license or brand has poor sales they won't just keep making figures so the few that did buy can get a complete team. It's like saying why didn't they make a sequel to John Carter, or Lone Ranger or any other movie that bombs (like say I am number 4) that wasn't wrapped up. It's not weird. Or crazy. Sales drive nearly everything.

Apologies if I missed this, but are you able to get any info from your friend as to whether HT has determined whether to make catwoman or penguin?

 

[a-dev]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

You are mistaken.

And to jankatana-first, they wouldn't include a catwoman with batman so your question about having a cowl and no catwoman is not relevent. They are not putting a whole extra unique figure as a free pack in. That's crazy talk. And as for the comparison about why no Lone Ranger...that's because tonto was the worst selling figure ever. Not weird, but business. These figures are not free to make. So if a property or license or brand has poor sales they won't just keep making figures so the few that did buy can get a complete team. It's like saying why didn't they make a sequel to John Carter, or Lone Ranger or any other movie that bombs (like say I am number 4) that wasn't wrapped up. It's not weird. Or crazy. Sales drive nearly everything.

I assume that same rationale is why they never made Elias from Platoon. Still, from a collector POV a real shame to leave a line just one character short of completion.

 

[Sundowner]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

I assume that same rationale is why they never made Elias from Platoon. Still, from a collector POV a real shame to leave a line just one character short of completion.

I think that's even worst that having just one character

 

[Mike86]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

Well I ordered the two pack last night through Sideshow and the NRD will process soon. No turning back for me now! Debating a second Batman only so I can display both the regular cowl and torn cowl.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

I think that's even worst that having just one character

It is. As a collector owning 2 of the 3 main characters is downright frustrating, moreso than if, say, they just made Sergeant Barnes and left it at that. You could say that one figure out of an ideal 3 could at least ''represent'' a movie. But having 2 of them only draws attention to the fact that the third is missing.

Similarly, with Batman Returns here, if they go no further than Batman then most of us will deal with it. Afterall who better to represent the movie than Batman himself. However if they were to make Catwoman and let us bask in the excitement of that and the expectation that Penguin would also be made - only to then go completely silent and never make Penguin at all - that would be frustrating as ****. And it's exactly what happened with Platoon.

 

[Motuxmen]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

I understand the importance of keeping costs down--though Hot Toys' insistence on it in this case makes me think we're never getting a Catwoman. I also think the glider, while a pretty cool accessory, would not have been something I would have posed my figure with. It most likely would have ended up in the box. But I'm still going to complain a little about the tuxedo. Why couldn't they have given Bruce the civilian look he had in the movie's most important scenes in the Batcave? The tuxedo is just so generic. I know they saved some money reusing the tuxedo from some other figure, but is it really that expensive giving us a new civilian outfit?

Also, why did they pursue the license for Batman Returns if they didn't think it would be particularly profitable? All they ended up doing is annoying Batman Returns fans for three years.

They pursued the license because they had the 89 license and with all this loud fan demand they figured it would sell well. But given the reception to the 89 batman things changed. When returns is essentially the same suit or very close in some people's eyes not everyone will buy it.

That said, this is the first figure in an unproven licenses. So costs are always a concern until it proves it can sell. By keeping costs down, I didn't mean keeping them down just because hot toys didn't want to put money into it (they already have tens to hundreds of grand invested) it was keeping costs down to keep the figure price low. To open its availability to a wider group.

As for the tux...you may think the batcave scenes and outfit are the most important, and someone else thinks it's the tux scene. For a compny like hot toys they can't win either way. If they go with a black long sleeve t shirt (essentially the batcave outfit) they went cheap. They do the tux, they went cheap. So it doesn't matter.