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[jedijim3002]

Can you post a picture of the actual helmet and the compartment you are talking about on top? I have this on order from BBTS and would like to see prior to shipping. Thanks.

Yes. I'll post some tonight when I get home.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Probably everyone in the galaxy knows Vader's real name... big joke on Luke.

I mean, how would you not know? Famous Anakin turns evil famously.... then rumors spread that he's been put into a dark suit.

Actually, according to the novel TARKIN which is a canon book, very few people in the galaxy know Vader is Anakin Skywalker. Most of the Imperials don't even know.

 

[wadeit0ut]

Yes. I'll post some tonight when I get home.

I got you.

 

[KerotanFrog]

You guys make great points, and I do still consider a lot of the expanded universe (even if it's not canon anymore). The following is my opinion, but I don't buy the Sidious was manipulating everything in that fight. To me, the main difference between the mace X Palpatine and Yoda X Palpatine fight was due Lucas interest in doing the last fight to mirror anakins X obiwan in grandeur. But by movies alone, I agree mace was not that impressive.

The reason I don't buy the manipulation theory is that no smart being would leave so much beyond his control. If Anakin had not disobeyed Mace and gone to where they were fighting, he would be dead. To me, he gave the final push to Anakin exactly because he needed it in order not to die cause he lost to mace.

I always interpreted that Palpatine never let Mace subdue him until he sensed Anakin entering the building. Then he made him myself seem vulnerable so Anakin would see. And Palpatine never left things to chance. His unique force power was clairvoyance, and he could often see outcomes before they happened, sometimes far in advance.

His quick decimation of the three masters wasn't poor directing. He catches them off guard and quickly overwhelms them. Mace was the only one who really sees it coming. You can tell this when Palpatine launched himself over the desk (which was so awesome), Mace is the only one who takes a defensive stance.

 

[Wor-Gar]

when Palpatine launched himself over the desk (which was so awesome)

Gives you chills, doesn't it?

 

[KerotanFrog]

Yes actually. I can see you've gone through great lengths to make me see your point of view, but I've always loved that scene. Ian McDiarmid was amazing all throughout the Prequels, and really shined in ROTS. He looked truly evil and his performance was befitting the most powerful Sith. It was indeed chilling.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I liked McDiarmid throughout too -- but I cannot forgive that "No, no, no!" moment. I just can't.

 

[Flintty]

Gives you chills, doesn't it?

This so much!! Good to see Rots getting some love.

 

[KerotanFrog]

Actually, according to the novel TARKIN which is a canon book, very few people in the galaxy know Vader is Anakin Skywalker. Most of the Imperials don't even know.

Tarkin himself wasn't sure. Over the course of the book, he realized that Vader held some kind of regard of him from the clone wars, and surmised Vader had to be Skywalker. Everyone believed Anakin Skywalker perished during the siege on the Jedi temple. Nobody believed he was the one who did it.

There are answers to these questions. Theres a lot of additional canon material now that fills in the gap between 3 and 4.

 

[Wor-Gar]

There are answers to these questions. You can tell when people ignore much of the additional canon material and only base opinions on the movies. Wiki helps too.

There's a big wide world out there. You should see it some time.

 

[KerotanFrog]

I liked McDiarmid throughout too -- but I cannot forgive that "No, no, no!" moment. I just can't.

Palpatine was arrogant and couldn't take the thought of losing after all his manipulations and planning. Though it was just an act to bait Windu into attempting the killing blow. In the context of the scene, it never bothered me.

 

[klwn]

His quick decimation of the three masters wasn't poor directing. He catches them off guard and quickly overwhelms them. Mace was the only one who really sees it coming. You can tell this when Palpatine launched himself over the desk (which was so awesome), Mace is the only one who takes a defensive stance.

It truly was poor and lazy writing/directing. Some logic needs to be applied here (yeah I know it's Star Wars and everything, still logic doesn't have to go out the window).
Windu brought with him three of the most skilled Jedi, they weren't just randomly selected. There is NO WAY they could have been caught off guard in such a way. Maybe watch it again, they literally just stand there watching him do his thing, and it's not even fast at all. Sure, the first kill, why not, element of surprise... But by then the two others should have reacted, they are freaking Jedi. Very experienced ones.
Like I said earlier, there were many ways they could have made it look way more believable and awesome. What could have been one of the best scenes of the movie and a perfect way to start Palpatine's display of power turned out to be a wasted opportunity.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Palpatine was arrogant and couldn't take the thought of losing after all his manipulations and planning. Though it was just an act to bait Windu ...

Those are two competing answers. Which is it?

 

[KerotanFrog]

There's a big wide world out there. You should see it some time.

Do you have a point? You know nothing about me or my experiences. Dropping ignorant statements doesn't make you look intelligent.

And alluding to someone being a nerd because they've read a few books doesn't make any sense in a forum where Star Wars is discussed. You either know what you're talking about or you don't.

 

[KerotanFrog]

Those are two competing answers. Which is it?

I'm saying his no, no, no line and the following lightning was an act so he could drop his dark side mask, bait Windu, and then set himself up as a martyr to the senate.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Do you have a point? You know nothing about me or my experiences. Dropping ignorant statements doesn't make you look intelligent.

It means that I don't have time to catch up on a world of EU nonsense about a mythical place created by men with inconsistent agendas... yet you spew over these imaginary things like they are gospel and perfect without the imagination to imagine differently and praise mediocre acting at best as if its Academy award material. Open your mind and your world. There is no such thing as canon, as Disney just proved. It can be wiped away in an instant.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I'm saying his no, no, no line and the following lightning was an act so he could drop his dark side mask, bait Windu, and then set himself up as a martyr to the senate.

Could have sworn you started that thought with "he couldn't take the thought of losing everything" which is an emotional reaction and very different then actively baiting someone, which is trickery and deceit. He's either playing Windu and he's in control OR he's enraged by Windu and thus not in control. It doesn't really work both ways.

 

[SNIKT1950]

It means that I don't have time to catch up on a world of EU nonsense about a mythical place created by men with inconsistent agendas... yet you spew over these imaginary things like they are gospel and perfect without the imagination to imagine differently and praise mediocre acting at best as if its Academy award material. Open your mind and your world. There is no such thing as canon, as Disney just proved. It can be wiped away in an instant.

All this is wrong. There is a canon and Disney has gone through great lengths to establish that.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Yes actually. I can see you've gone through great lengths to make me see your point of view, but I've always loved that scene. Ian McDiarmid was amazing all throughout the Prequels, and really shined in ROTS. He looked truly evil and his performance was befitting the most powerful Sith. It was indeed chilling.

Well said.

Palpatine was frightening throughout ROTS and McDiarmid did a brilliant job showcasing just what a monster he was.

That "No, no, no..." moment was epic. The costume that was Palpatine was finally down and the first glimpses of the beast underneath began to emerge.

 

[Wor-Gar]

All this is wrong. There is a canon and Disney has gone through great lengths to establish that.

What good is canon if any portion of it can be wiped away?

Take from these movies (or EU) what you will. It could all change.