1/6 Hot Toys - MMS 320 - Star Wars Ep.VII - Kylo Ren

[The Mike]

The only time she saw the future was the forest on Starkiller base. The Luke and R2 scene is, I'm willing to bet, when Luke is at a funeral for/or burning his former student's bodies and he's about to leave R2 and go into hiding.

The Knights were all with Kylo and he was leading them against the siege on the New Jedi Temple.

Yes. One is a Sith and one isn't. The Sith is basically a specific religion of Dark force users.

And yes the Knight scene was a past vision.

As I understand it, The Sith is a specific counterpoint to the Jedi but past Vader and The Emperor there were no Sith left (ignoring the EU stuff) and just like the Jedi, a Sith must be specifically trained and where they differ from The Knights of Ren is that they are being tutored in the ways of the Dark Side from Supreme Leader Snoke, not from a Sith Lord at all and so there are variations and changes within the same ideals which leads to Ren not being as strong or focused because it isn't "classically done."

We know that "Ren" is a title similar to "Darth" but past that it seems to be "The Dark Side Light" because even from Snoke there seems to be less of a mastery and more of learning from someone who kind of knows what they are talking about. It feels like the difference between learning woodworking from a master carpenter or learning from a relative who is handy.

JJ Abrams said:

J.J. Abrams has confirmed to Empire magazine that “Kylo Ren is not a Sith. He works under Supreme Leader Snoke (Andy Serkis), who is a powerful figure on the Dark Side of the Force.”

Instead, Abrams recently told Entertainment Weekly, Kylo Ren is part of a different faction altogether. “He is a character who came to the name Kylo Ren when he joined a group called the Knights of Ren,” Abrams revealed, admitting that the character’s mask is reminiscent of a certain Sith lord’s for a reason. “The movie explains the origins of the mask and where it’s from, but the design was meant to be a nod to the Vader mask. [Kylo Ren] is well aware of what’s come before, and that’s very much a part of the story of the film.”

The lack of a "Darth" even on Snoke would suggest that he is powerful but not a Sith Lord himself (unless he went The Emperor route and renamed himself) and this is a sort of side-faction. I'm sure we'll get this investigated further as the series continues and there is no doubt in my mind that Snoke will get a showdown with most likely multiple characters in this

 

[KerotanFrog]

Just saw TFA for the fourth time and I really love Driver's performance. It gets better every time you watch. His struggle with the light and dark is just so well done and you can feel the rage through his voice when he has the mask on.

I seriously can't wait for this figure and VIII. Hoping to pay him off in the next week or so. Also have he Black Series Helmet on order and am thinking about the FX lightsaber too.

 

[SilverStar17]

I think it's purely an aesthetic design choice. Looks more like a traditional sword like this and befitting a knight.

Agreed. I think it's a really unique design.

 

[wadeit0ut]

Why does Hot Toys hate us and refuse to send these to SS?

 

[slynger]

I need some help on this guy, do I get this version or wait for the inevitable unmasked version and probably a bit improved version later on down the line? I probably wouldn't display the other portrait as much, but I'm debating with myself on what to do.

 

[wadeit0ut]

I need some help on this guy, do I get this version or wait for the inevitable unmasked version and probably a bit improved version later on down the line? I probably wouldn't display the other portrait as much, but I'm debating with myself on what to do.

Save a dollar every day and by the time they unveil a second version you can afford the Episode 8 version.

 

[mynameschris]

JJ Abrams said:

The lack of a "Darth" even on Snoke would suggest that he is powerful but not a Sith Lord himself (unless he went The Emperor route and renamed himself) and this is a sort of side-faction. I'm sure we'll get this investigated further as the series continues and there is no doubt in my mind that Snoke will get a showdown with most likely multiple characters in this

I imagine Palpatine still though of himself s Darth Sideous but once he was the Emperor you might as well keep the name the public know you by (which is his birth name after all). I really do not see Snoke being a Sith and wish people would stop insisting he and Ren have to be Sith or want to be Sith. They can want to be as powerful as the Sith were at their height but it doesn't mean they want to be the Sith.

Even if Snoke turns out to be Dath Plagueis I am hoping he has abondoned the notion of the Sith to create something of his own; for example no more Rule of 2, just because it supposedly worked for all those years doesn't mean anyone like or wanting to be the Sith have to tie themselves to it they could be like the Sith of old and have armies at their command instead.

 

[DarthBakura]

The only improvements will likely be an unmasked sculpt and a removable shawl. Other than that, it will most likely be exactly the same figure. You'd be better off just getting this one now and enjoying it till the newer one comes around.

The way I see it... if you don't absolutely have to have an Adam Driver sculpt, then this one is fine. Personally, I like to keep my Sith hooded and robed, which includes helmets.

 

[Tom Day]

I'd like it f Snoke and the Knights of Ren had nothing to do with the Sith. Too many connections makes the Star Wars universe too small.

 

[DarthBakura]

The Sith are more flawed than even the Jedi were. Snoke probably realizes this and that might be why they don't identify with either faction? They might even find the notion of being called "Sith" offensive in future scenes.

 

[LoveMinusZero]

I imagine Palpatine still though of himself s Darth Sideous but once he was the Emperor you might as well keep the name the public know you by (which is his birth name after all). I really do not see Snoke being a Sith and wish people would stop insisting he and Ren have to be Sith or want to be Sith. They can want to be as powerful as the Sith were at their height but it doesn't mean they want to be the Sith.

Even if Snoke turns out to be Dath Plagueis I am hoping he has abondoned the notion of the Sith to create something of his own; for example no more Rule of 2, just because it supposedly worked for all those years doesn't mean anyone like or wanting to be the Sith have to tie themselves to it they could be like the Sith of old and have armies at their command instead.

I agree. I wish people would just get over it. The OT had no mention of Sith nonsense either, it's all prequel era tacked on baggage. I sincerely hope Snoke is not Plagueis as well. People complain about Kylo and Rey being family of the older characters and how that shrinks the universe, yet they want all the villains to be essentially inbred as well. Plagueis and Sidious can't have a kid together, yet don't want to adopt, so they use evil magic to make their own, then they get divorced and the child disappoints them, then they die but one didn't really die and now is trying to adopt his great grandson oh my god this is stupid. Why can't Snoke just be a new character and use the Force in a new way? His name is awful enough, but does he really have to be great-grand-daddy-baddie?

 

[pixletwin]

I agree. I wish people would just get over it. The OT had no mention of Sith nonsense either, it's all prequel era tacked on baggage.

Thats not right. I don't know how old you are, but if you are my age you would remember that there was plenty of OT merchandise naming Darth Vader as a "Dark Lord of the Sith".

 

[LoveMinusZero]

But that was IT. That and only that, and just in merchandising. Everything we think of as the Sith came much later. When you watched ROTJ the first time did you have any idea what the Emperor was, besides some seriously dangerous old wizard type guy?


That being said, it's not like a dislike the idea of the Sith (I wish there was some explanation of any kind about what they were in the actual films) but I'm very much in favour of something different now.

 

[pixletwin]

But that was IT. That and only that, and just in merchandising. Everything we think of as the Sith came much later. When you watched ROTJ the first time did you have any idea what the Emperor was, besides some seriously dangerous old wizard type guy?

To me the Emperor was a Satanic demon. The Dark Side Incarnate. Since Vader was the Dark Lord of the Sith and the Emperor was his boss, I made assumptions that he was part of the Sith too.

 

[LoveMinusZero]

Well you'd be among the minority who did, as the filmmakers didn't even make that assumption, he was just THE EMPEROR.

 

[pixletwin]

Well you'd be among the minority who did, as the filmmakers didn't even make that assumption, he was just THE EMPEROR.

I guess so. For my friends it was a litmus test to see if you were as big a star wars geek as we were to know that.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I agree. I wish people would just get over it. The OT had no mention of Sith nonsense either, it's all prequel era tacked on baggage.

"Sith nonsense" lol

That "Sith nonsense" defeated the entire Jedi Order. Thousands of Jedi defeated by Two Sith.

Anyone who says they don't like the Sith obviously hates the PT. Ironically the Sith are present all throughout the OT - yet don't get bashed because the terminology "Sith" wasn't mentioned. Your PT hate is typical and obvious.

I'll never understand this type of commitment to hating something. I love all of Star Wars. That's seven movies I can completely enjoy. This obsession with bashing everything that isn't ANH & ESB sounds exhausting.

"Sith nonsense". That literally made me laugh.

 

[LoveMinusZero]

Anyway, my point was I just wish people were more willing to let Snoke (and Kylo) be something else, something unknown.

 

[pixletwin]

Anyway, my point was I just wish people were more willing to let Snoke (and Kylo) be something else, something unknown.

Definitely. I remember when they first announced "Episode 7" my first thought was "I hope it has nothing to do with the Sith."

 

[LoveMinusZero]

"Sith nonsense" lol

That "Sith nonsense" defeated the entire Jedi Order. Thousands of Jedi defeated by Two Sith.

Anyone who says they don't like the Sith obviously hates the PT. Ironically the Sith are present all throughout the OT - yet don't get bashed because the terminology "Sith" wasn't mentioned. Your PT hate is typical and obvious.

I'll never understand this type of commitment to hating something. I love all of Star Wars. That's seven movies I can completely enjoy. This obsession with bashing everything that isn't ANH & ESB sounds exhausting.

"Sith nonsense". That literally made me laugh.

Here we go. You're using in universe details to make a point about the Sith being important to the OT. The Sith are present all throughout the OT only in your own mind. The filmmakers had none of those ideas or backstories, they were tacked on later.