Hot Toys - MMS DX 01- The Dark Knight - The Joker spec and pics

[vodoun]

Even still, it's a nice little detail that makes or breaks the figure and it throws the tidy look off.

To me it takes away that premium feel.

 

[MaulFan]

Oh it sucks for sure, and on v1 it was forgivable because of A) all the costume errors, and B) they were going off minimal reference at that time and may have gotten a wrong impression, but by now, they have plenty of reference and have tried to update as little as they can from the v1 without not updating, feeling added suspenders and the new coat would be enough.

 

[intothevoid]

Speaking of Billy B, has anyone heard from him lately? I've tried to order another set of joker shirt and tie from him for a while now with no luck... have my first set on my 'interrogation scene v1.5' and it looks killer..

 

[lforigno]

yeah i talked to him just today. Give him a little bit he has a lot going on and im sure he will PM you back. I placed an order for an updated joker shirt. I had his first joker shirt but cannot stand the color of it, it is just too light. It is more of a darker blue than the light blue so he is making me 2 new joker shirts with the new color and is supposed to be better suited for the narrow body truetype. I should have them this week

 

[intothevoid]

Excellent, thanks for that lforigno!

 

[Devil_666]

I honestly have no idea. I don't have enough knowledge with the bodies. All I know was this figure got a new body and if this shirt doesn't fully close I'll have to order a second shirt and tie from billyb.

A shirt collar that doesn't fully close is seriously horrid and messy. That would drive me nuts as well.

Agreed. But I think this shirt DOES close.. it's just there's still a weird gap between the shirt collar lapels like the BR Joker. I mentioned this earlier:

Definitely a different shirt because the DX shirt actually closes with no problem or stretching, which the v.1 shirt couldn't do. The gap is a tailoring problem. And it's not a first. My BR Joker shirt has that same exact gap. So does the DX Cop shirt.. but not as much. I don't understand how Mattel etc. can make a normal shirt collar that looks natural (triangle shape between the collars with the top buttoned up) and HT not to mention most high end 1/6 scale companies can't!?

You can see in these pics:

No stretching etc. to get it closed.. so it's definitely NOT just a v.1 shirt thrown in. But, just like the BR Joker shirt, it has that weird gap.

 

[MaulFan]

I thnk the gap is what people feel isn't closed, and I agree, it looks odd, even on Dent/Two-face. The collars should V more and don't. !/6 suits are so tricky, it's rare to see one really nicely done, and the ones that are can be quite hard to get your hands on.

 

[blakus939]

It looks nicer than V1, nicely patterned and patented, but there's still room for improvement. They should commission BillyB for the run of their figure shirts

 

[vodoun]

Yeah, thats actually not too bad now that I see it again. Best of all no shiny tie.

 

[MaulFan]

Until the production figure shows up, I'm not getting my hopes up on the shirt and tie.

This is what we were supposed to expect the first time.

Shirt collar looks to be closed about the same, and tie looks nice, not plastic.

 

[vodoun]

True but it's also sickening how nice the coat is there. How well it sits. Heh, it makes me want to shed a tear.

I don't understand why HT doesn't update their pictures. Displaying prototype images. What's that suppose to achieve? I bet it's not the first people have said, it looks nothing like on their site.

 

[Devil_666]

True but it's also sickening how nice the coat is there. How well it sits. Heh, it makes me want to shed a tear.

I don't understand why HT doesn't update their pictures. Displaying prototype images. What's that suppose to achieve? I bet it's not the first people have said, it looks nothing like on their site.

Yeah I pointed that out before. Especially how the figure COMES in a box FULL of prototype images. That look nothing like the figure INSIDE.

Really weird. And I agree.. until you see in-hand pics there's no telling what we'll be getting.

 

[Agent23]

So, is the body on the new DX Joker the same as the body of the 1st version or the Bank Robber version?

(sorry, I know it's probably been asked already)

 

[blakus939]

NO, he is on the new slim shoulder version body

 

[aussieinnyc]

I honestly don't get the claims that HT final products look nothing like the prototype. In my opinion they are one of the best companies for providing final products that are close to the prototypes. When compared to Sideshow and Medicom, the proto as compared to production items are identical.

 

[EdwardNashton1]

I honestly don't get the claims that HT final products look nothing like the prototype. In my opinion they are one of the best companies for providing final products that are close to the prototypes. When compared to Sideshow and Medicom, the proto as compared to production items are identical.

v1 joker and TDK suit Batman weren't

and Medicom TDK suit Batman was almost identical to the proto

 

[Devil_666]

HT Wolf Predator, Predator 2, Borg Predator, TDK Suit Batman, Joker V.1, etc. all come to mind regarding figures that look significantly different than what's pictured on the box. And it's not always bad: The TDK Suit Batman was upgraded from the prototype, remember? It's just weird how HT doesn't upgrade the pics on the boxes. Ever.

Medicom TDK suit Batman was almost identical to the proto

No it wasn't.

 

[Sachiel]

HT Wolf Predator, Predator 2, Borg Predator, TDK Suit Batman, Joker V.1, etc. all come to mind regarding figures that look significantly different than what's pictured on the box. And it's not always bad: The TDK Suit Batman was upgraded from the prototype, remember? It's just weird how HT doesn't upgrade the pics on the boxes. Ever.

This is done ALL THE TIME by companies. Sideshow, Hot Toys, Mattel, Hasbro, etc. etc.

They make the packaging before they have the final product. Why wait and take some new photos when the product is done? That will just delay it.

 

[aussieinnyc]

HT Wolf Predator, Predator 2, Borg Predator, TDK Suit Batman, Joker V.1, etc. all come to mind regarding figures that look significantly different than what's pictured on the box. And it's not always bad: The TDK Suit Batman was upgraded from the prototype, remember? It's just weird how HT doesn't upgrade the pics on the boxes. Ever.

I can't really comment on the Predator stuff since I've never seen one in person, and only given cursory glances to pictures. I think Joker V1, with futzing, looks pretty much the same as the proto - or at least mine does. I must admit that I am a bit surprised that the TDK suit wasn't updated on the box, I thought there was a fairly big gap between when the updated pics were shown and when it was released?

But as Sachiel says, it's common practice for companies to use proto pictures on their packaging, in fact it makes sense that they should - waiting for an actual production sample would delay the creation of the packaging (which still has to go through license approval), the product would have to be manufactured and stored out of the package while it was being approved and produced, increasing the chance of breakage/paint rubs/etc, and adding to overhead costs (it would be impractical to start production for just one figure and then to put it on hiatus).

 

[Devil_666]

I can't really comment on the Predator stuff since I've never seen one in person, and only given cursory glances to pictures. I think Joker V1, with futzing, looks pretty much the same as the proto - or at least mine does. I must admit that I am a bit surprised that the TDK suit wasn't updated on the box, I thought there was a fairly big gap between when the updated pics were shown and when it was released?

But as Sachiel says, it's common practice for companies to use proto pictures on their packaging, in fact it makes sense that they should - waiting for an actual production sample would delay the creation of the packaging (which still has to go through license approval), the product would have to be manufactured and stored out of the package while it was being approved and produced, increasing the chance of breakage/paint rubs/etc, and adding to overhead costs (it would be impractical to start production for just one figure and then to put it on hiatus).

Wait.. I think we're talking about 2 different things here.

I agree, prototype pics are commonly used for EVERYTHING when it comes to packaging. Not just these things we collect. And that's fine. That's normal.

But what I was saying is, EVEN when HT updates a prototype they STILL put the original prototype pics of the figure on the box. So it has nothing to do with time constraints etc. unless HT makes ALL the packaging the minute they finish a prototype for a figure and photograph it for release to the public. And I doubt they do that.

So it's odd.. guarantee if HT makes changes to the DX Joker, even DRASTIC changes, guarantee the photos on the packaging will be the same initial pics Wookster first posted. And it's been MONTHS since those pics were first released. That's what I'm talking about..