Hot Toys - MMS DX 11 - TDK: The Joker 2.0 Collectible Figure specs and pics

[intothevoid]

Well the jaw shape and hairline is pretty standout to me but then again not many people have stared at as many ledger pics to compare sculpts as I have

 

[batfan08]

Well, the reason I don't have as much of a problem with the jaw is the expression. That kind of "pursed" smirk seems to distort Ledger's distinctly narrow jaw in the film. That being said, if you can get a better pic for Neo or someone to manipulate than the original one, one that shows how much it can be improved, I'll be the first to agree with you. You need to get that going, as there are still quite a few months until this is released, and, if HT sees your concerns, who knows?

 

[intothevoid]

Yeah I'll get to it soon - just swamped with business school
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[DiFabio]

Forget business school, focus your energy and time on the ultimate 1/6 Joker. You know you want to.

 

[Gipetto0812]

I think that you're missing the point of what he's saying, though. If the expression's not in the sculpt, it's not in the sculpt. If a sculpt has a blank expression like that above, for example, you might be able to give his eyes a little bit of expression, but you aren't going to be able to paint a smirk where there isn't one. The thing that each and every one of the artists behind these sculpts, other than those featuring extreme expressions such as laughter, up to this point, have failed to realize is that it isn't about capturing Heath Ledger's likeness, nor is it about capturing The Joker's mannerisms, it's about capturing both of those things, and merging them into what we saw on screen, and that's why, to me, some of these sculpts with incredible likenesses fail just as much as sculpts like the DX01.

Hit the nail on the nail on the head my friend. IMO the thing could possibly manipulate the expression is how the eyes are painted. Overall paint though, won't change the sculpt expression. But this has PERS so we're good there

This thing is just phenomenal, period.

 

[Calvin Candie]

the only thing i can see that is not perfect is the hair but that is not a big deal.

 

[intothevoid]

Forget business school, focus your energy and time on the ultimate 1/6 Joker. You know you want to.

Unfortunately that's all I've been doing of late

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Of late means roughly last 4 yrs

 

[Centrocal]

By Kafai1978 of Bbicn

The coat looks kinda blue. Like, its blue.

 

[intothevoid]

That's the camera

It's purple in person

 

[batfan08]

Void speaks truth. He has experienced the glory of Kato clothing in hand.

 

[Darkavatar]

the normal DX11 joker sculpt is way better than the laughing sculpt.
the expression is so perfect and badass best joker sculpt i've seen.

No the laughing sculpt is better, I can not find one single flaw with it, but the normal one is off. That being said, I still prefer the normal sculpt because like you, I love the expression.

Honestly, if they fix the jawline, I think that the DX 11 might be able to top Adam's, for the simple fact that, for once, someone was successfully able to capture both Heath Ledger AND The Joker. I don't believe I've ever seen something that successfully pulled that off that wasn't a laughing sculpt. It seems like they either get the Ledger likeness spot-on, yet they don't capture that Joker "vibe", or they manage to get something that perfectly captures The Joker's attitude and expression, yet is lacking in Ledger likeness. This one is something that captures The Joker perfectly, and is very close to being a spot-on ledger likeness. Some of my favorite pics that show this are in the interrogation room dio, in the DX12 teaser pic, and in the SDCC display.

I know what you mean but Adam's is more realistic, Yulli's, like most of her sculpts is a bit cartoony especially with PERS. That is why so many people on freaks like Enterbay's better because it looks so real, but doesn't look like Ledger IMO. People get confused with realism and likeness, they think if something looks more real than they think it looks more like the person, even if it has severe flaws with it.

Well if you think it's perfect good for you I guess - I still think the jaw, hairline and pers all need work

 

[Darkavatar]

i think his has lots of expression

You need to show the progression of the face changing which is mimicking the interrogation scene like this pic. He is showing expression here.

Gorgeous. The more I look at it, the more I wonder, does the jaw even need modified? If you think so, I want you to look at the photo, and then feel your jaw, then I want you to mimic his expression, and feel your jaw again. You can feel it contracting and compressing. I think the sculpt might already be what we want it to be.

Maybe this pic will convince you. The jawline is not wide even with this smirk. The 2.0 Jawline is wide and shaped like a female's jaw.

 

[EXOTICLEX]

Never start with the head.

 

[Darkavatar]

That's the camera

It's purple in person

Void it it is also blue on you tube and remember they changed the purple Kato shirt to a blue shirt for this Joker.

Then again, the coat was purple in the teaser pics so I dont know what to think.

 

[Calvin Candie]

No the laughing sculpt is better, I can not find one single flaw with it, but the normal one is off. That being said, I still prefer the normal sculpt because like you, I love the expression.

yeah i can't see any real flaws with either of the sculpts.
but i know lots of you do. i just can't see it.

 

[batfan08]

You need to show the progression of the face changing which is mimicking the interrogation scene like this pic. He is showing expression here.

Maybe this pic will convince you. The jawline is not wide even with this smirk. The 2.0 Jawline is wide and shaped like a female's jaw.

I see what you mean, it does have some excess jaw. The good thing is that they really wouldn't have to make any massive changes, just refine the jawline, and, maybe add a bit more hair.

 

[Gipetto0812]

I know what you mean but Adam's is more realistic, Yulli's, like most of her sculpts is a bit cartoony especially with PERS. That is why so many people on freaks like Enterbay's better because it looks so real, but doesn't look like Ledger IMO. People get confused with realism and likeness, they think if something looks more real than they think it looks more like the person, even if it has severe flaws with it.

I think ou may be throwing the word "cartoony" around a little too loosely. A cartoon is very flat, 2 dimensional with verylittle detail (South Park for the most extreme). If anything Adam's are flatter than HT and EB sculpts b/c Adam's sculpts don't have the skin texture like the HT and EB ones have therefore not as realistic. Now I will say that Adam definitely has the ability to capture jus about and expression from any scene therefore making his sculpts pretty accurate, but they aren't more realistic. The DX11 looks real, whether or not you think is accurate to Ledger is up to anyone and what they see. Who are you to tell them any different?

PS: I'm not knocking Adam's work by any means as I do think he is one heck of a talented sculptor.

 

[Darkavatar]

yeah i can't see any real flaws with either of the sculpts.
but i know lots of you do. i just can't see it.

You sound like me with Enterbays Joker. I can not see any Ledger at all in that but plenty of people do.

It is amazing how people just see things differently.

 

[batfan08]

I think that the best way to judge the Enterbay Joker is to cover the top of his head and eyes. You should be able to see Ledger's likeness without the eyes, yet it's almost nonexistent. I think that viewing a sculpt from the nose down actually allows you to judge it better. I actually see more of the jaw inaccuracies without the eyes than if I'm looking at it in it's entirety. It also allows you to truly see its potential. The likeness is there, it just needs refining.

 

[Darkavatar]

I think ou may be throwing the word "cartoony" around a little too loosely. A cartoon is very flat, 2 dimensional with verylittle detail (South Park for the most extreme). If anything Adam's are flatter than HT and EB sculpts b/c Adam's sculpts don't have the skin texture like the HT and EB ones have therefore not as realistic. Now I will say that Adam definitely has the ability to capture jus about and expression from any scene therefore making his sculpts pretty accurate, but they aren't more realistic. The DX11 looks real, whether or not you think is accurate to Ledger is up to anyone and what they see.

PS: I'm not knocking Adam's work by any means as I do think he is one heck of a talented sculptor.

Skin texturing doesn't mean the sculpt looks more real unlesss you look up close because you can not notice skin texturing on 1/6 figures unless you look up close. Your right though, Adam has even admitted he finds doing skin texturing hard to accomplish.

I don't know about cartoony but in the same ballpark, the normal 2.0 sculpt does not look realistic to me. The laughing one does though. Then again Ledger pulled cartoony expressions so that is maybe why I think that.