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Had Finn actually had any actual combat experience? It was weird that he was even on Jakku to begin with, Phasma wouldn't have taken rookies on that operation. He "thought" he could fire the turret on the Falcon, but later goes on to say he was a janitor.

That's what I thought was stupid about him, the First Order seems even more rigorous than the Empire, and yet he acted like a fresh recruit. He's just not my kind of character, I suppose.
 
Stormtroopers in the OT were bad guys, but regular guys. Remember them talking about the BT-16? Presumably the ones that boarded the Tantive IV were battle hardened, but some of the troops on the Death Star in ANH actually reacted like green recruits -- granted the latter part's reading a bit into it, but that bit of throw-away dialogue was revealing enough.

Hmmm, no, I don't remember that. I need to go back and rewatch the OT. I just figured with all of their training and conditioning, they'd be a little...I dunno, duller, personality-wise.
 
Had Finn actually had any actual combat experience? It was weird that he was even on Jakku to begin with, Phasma wouldn't have taken rookies on that operation. He "thought" he could fire the turret on the Falcon, but later goes on to say he was a janitor.

That's what I thought was stupid about him, the First Order seems even more rigorous than the Empire, and yet he acted like a fresh recruit. He's just not my kind of character, I suppose.

I heard that in the novel he scored high on all exercises? As for Jakku...presumably, but organizational subdivisions aren't always at full strength -- illness, injury etc.

It's not a stretch that a grunt -- even one with high scores -- would have some crappy jobs on base.
 
Hmmm, no, I don't remember that. I need to go back and rewatch the OT. I just figured with all of their training and conditioning, they'd be a little...I dunno, duller, personality-wise.

Going by films alone, we don't know much about them, but when Ben was shutting down the tractor beam, the two troopers he got past were standing around bored and chatting. One seemed jumpy, too.
 
But I don't understand.... why CAN'T she be untrained, only take half a movie to develop the force in a way that has yet to be seen / faster than Luke? I don't understand why there is a bar set. It's the Force. There is no rule to how powerful someone can be. It may be so that she is more powerful than any one we've seen or than we can possibly imagine. What's wrong with that? IDGI. Need halp. Plz explain. Is there a manual? Need to read it. Will google later. Too busy right now. Doing other things.
 
But I don't understand.... why CAN'T she be untrained, only take half a movie to develop the force in a way that has yet to be seen / faster than Luke? I don't understand why there is a bar set. It's the Force. There is no rule to how powerful someone can be.

That's sort of how I thought of it when I came out of the movie, the Falcon and the physics of it smashing around seemed like it was re-writing the rules I thought I knew whereas the force I don't understand so who knows how it can work, like it seemed to in the case with Rey. To some it probably seems it's re-writing the rules a bit there as well, which is fine. They made the training seem so important in all of the earlier films, which I think is maybe why it bothers some more than others.
 
Had Finn actually had any actual combat experience? It was weird that he was even on Jakku to begin with, Phasma wouldn't have taken rookies on that operation. He "thought" he could fire the turret on the Falcon, but later goes on to say he was a janitor.

That's what I thought was stupid about him, the First Order seems even more rigorous than the Empire, and yet he acted like a fresh recruit. He's just not my kind of character, I suppose.

That's a fair point.
 
Agreed. It's almost like an entire generation of movie goers forgot how to observe/absorb things on a deeper level.

Very true. Either that or they went into the movie already hating it.

"Much still clouds their judgment.."
 
That's sort of how I thought of it when I came out of the movie, the Falcon and the physics of it smashing around seemed like it was re-writing the rules I thought I knew whereas the force I don't understand so who knows how it can work, like it seemed to in the case with Rey. It just means it's re-writing the rules a bit, which is fine. They made the training seem so important in all of the earlier films, which I think is maybe why it bothers some more than others.

I understand your point now better, thank you. I like what the guy said in the other thread, she is aware she has a skill but doesn't know what it is. She lives with it. Scaling the ghost ships the way she does to collect her things, she clearly has something special about her, and maybe those scenes were there to show it. So okay, maybe no formal training, but it flows through her she just doesn't know that she's different. It isn't until her encounter with Kylo that it awakens (lol) on another level, she uses it with emotion, a newb without direction but the power of the force is very clearly present in her. Or maybe she had some training as a kid so young she doesn't remember? *shrug*
 
I'm curious how the figure will look with the hood on and goggles up. That was probably my favorite "Scavenger look" for her even though she only appeared that way when she slid down the sand to her speeder and in that one unused shot from the teaser:

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After seeing the movie a few more times I definitely want a figure of her as she appeared at the end of the film. It's kind of a "complete" Rey. She has her Resistance uniform, Scavenger stick, smuggler blaster on her hip and Skywalker saber that she wielded against Kylo.
 
Honestly, the only thing I can say that bothered me about this entire movie is the blaster Solo gives Rey. Looks like a MIB gun. Really not keeping to the cool vintage WWII style look. Too "space gun" looking. Unless someone can say it was an original Mcquarrie design, that's how I feel. Anyone else feel the same? ORLY tell me about it. +1 in advance. TY. Look forward to discussing.

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In the art book Rey is shown in her final outfit with Han's blaster on her hip. Now THAT would have been cool. No way for that really to happen though with the way the movie played out.
 
Had Finn actually had any actual combat experience? It was weird that he was even on Jakku to begin with, Phasma wouldn't have taken rookies on that operation. He "thought" he could fire the turret on the Falcon, but later goes on to say he was a janitor.

That's what I thought was stupid about him, the First Order seems even more rigorous than the Empire, and yet he acted like a fresh recruit. He's just not my kind of character, I suppose.

It's sort of like general military where they all go through training and then have jobs outside of combat. His job was just sanitation. It seemed like during his jaunt on Jakku he broke of his training after seeing one of his own killed and then realizing what they were doing. Sort of a PTSD break from the brainwashing that the First Order had done. He says during the escape he can fire blasters. Poe tells him that the TIE Turrets are the same general idea and he does it from what looks like the first time, even in the Falcon he says he can fire the Terrets to keep up his "Resistance Charade" but even once seated is telling himself "I can do this, I can do this" and even mentioned that he is pretty good at it throughout. My guess he would continue his trainings while just working.

So I would imagine he was "boot camp" trained but never combat ready until Jakku and then failed at that in the eyes of the First Order.

Also remember The First Order came from the idea of "What if the Nazis that had moved to Argentina all of a sudden decided to keep working with each other" according to Abrams, so it's an offshoot of the Empire that was left, the training and processes would be much more ragged with TFO than the Empire because people are trying to emulate something from the past instead of doing something new so them taking soldiers for numbers with the expectation that they'd be fine isn't out of the ordinary line of thinking. They wanted to "reprogram" him too afterwards realizing something was up, he just bolted.
 
It's sort of like general military where they all go through training and then have jobs outside of combat. His job was just sanitation. It seemed like during his jaunt on Jakku he broke of his training after seeing one of his own killed and then realizing what they were doing. Sort of a PTSD break from the brainwashing that the First Order had done. He says during the escape he can fire blasters. Poe tells him that the TIE Turrets are the same general idea and he does it from what looks like the first time, even in the Falcon he says he can fire the Terrets to keep up his "Resistance Charade" but even once seated is telling himself "I can do this, I can do this" and even mentioned that he is pretty good at it throughout. My guess he would continue his trainings while just working.

So I would imagine he was "boot camp" trained but never combat ready until Jakku and then failed at that in the eyes of the First Order.

Also remember The First Order came from the idea of "What if the Nazis that had moved to Argentina all of a sudden decided to keep working with each other" according to Abrams, so it's an offshoot of the Empire that was left, the training and processes would be much more ragged with TFO than the Empire because people are trying to emulate something from the past instead of doing something new so them taking soldiers for numbers with the expectation that they'd be fine isn't out of the ordinary line of thinking. They wanted to "reprogram" him too afterwards realizing something was up, he just bolted.

quick note...jakku wasn't his first military mission. he had one before it. but he failed. he was also #1 in his class and the strongest, he was leadership material but his biggest flaw in the eyes of the First Order was he had compassion for others.
 
Honestly, the only thing I can say that bothered me about this entire movie is the blaster Solo gives Rey. Looks like a MIB gun. Really not keeping to the cool vintage WWII style look. Too "space gun" looking. Unless someone can say it was an original Mcquarrie design, that's how I feel. Anyone else feel the same? ORLY tell me about it. +1 in advance. TY. Look forward to discussing.

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Wow - that's the only thing that bothered you? I'm jealous.:lol

But yeah - that gun was either "Firefly" or MIB and stuck out like a sore thumb. But the white/black stormie guns looked like Hasbro toys and some of the other guns looked like generic sci-fi. I missed the ex-WWII look also.

I was really bothered by how Han's son was the new Vader and Han didn't seem all that focused on it (and how he and Leia kept saying "our son" back and forth over and over.) I would be expending every minute trying to communicate with or capture him, not be in "business as usual" mode smuggling dianogas.
 
There are plenty of old guns that are nickel plated. I actually kinda liked the unusual, quirky design to it that felt very much like the SW universe. Maybe not WWII (more like 1800s), but it was dirty and not super polished and curvy like MIB guns are.

Kinda reminds me of something like this

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or this

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What I'm saying is the first figure is from AoU and the second will be in the Civil War line.

Maybe I'll be wrong and she will have two figs in TFA line.

Both SW are from the AOU line...they have not announced or shown the CW SW yet. I am curious that HT just might release Rey again using the same HS but with her final outfit looking at
Luke
. Because that's a cool outfit for sure!
 
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