Hot Toys - MMS130 - Predators: Berserker Predator (Full Spec & Pics)

[Darth_Fatso]

So wait HT conformed Classic with a new body? Sweet! I hope they make a new P1 with a taller body.

Little bummed out at the articulation but as long as the torso isn't rubber and I can display Berserker in the pose he has after

Spoiler

the spine rip

I'll be fine.

I just hope Classic and Berserker arn't released to close to each other that way my wallet can take a little breather.

 

[nicky]

From Turtle's SDCC thread:

The body doesn't look like rubber, not sure why people even thought it would be.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

 

[VALVOLINER]

i wish they included an open palm left hand, but still a badass looking figure indeed.

you're a lucky guy

Wish granted: Left open hand included

 

[Darth_Fatso]

This may have been mentioned before and I was just too blind to notice but after looking at some move stills of Berserker, I noticed on his bio helmet there are some scuffs/battle damage on it that are absent on the HT's bio. Did the bio in the movie allway have the scuffs? I can't remember.

Screen Pred

HT's

 

[thenammagazine]

NECA Preds for the poseability win!

Sorry...had to say it.

You mean the bobbleheads?

Saw the prototypes. The oldschool Kenners were more accurate.

That's why I said muscle body, not rubber body. The old pred body is pretty much just a nude TT with bumpy texture, totally unacceptable in today's standard. (sorry) This new type of thicker body has a much more realistic proportion. Thing is HT often over shoot things when doing changes, so they went too far with the looks and forgot about the articulation. I'm sure if they get a chance to upgrade the pred body again they'll be able to make a realistic muscle body (not rubber) while still retaining a reasonable amount of articulations.

As for the P2 poses, that's evident of someone who knows how to pose their figures. (like 10% of collectors out there ) I'm sure someone who can pose can also get a lot out of the Berserker. You don't need all those double joints to achieve great poses, and the double joints are the most "offensive" part about the old pred bodies. I agree there's some major articulations missing on the Berserker, (torso, ankle) but there is still more than enough to get some good poses in if you know how to work them joints.

I smell a bit of an apologist here, blaming collectors. Fact is, you lose the ab-crunch, the double elbows and the double knees. That's a considerably amount of articulation lost and really has nothing to do with a collector's skills in posing their figures and leaves one with, at best, static poses. $99 more gets you a superior maquette from Sideshow too, so that's another detourant.

 

[Theokan]

double joints are nasty looking That' why Hot Toys never do those anymore UNLESS they are covered underneath clothings. The rule is that double joints are ok as long as your eyes don't see them, that's pretty much how HT is designing their figures these days. You don't need double joint unless you're bending way over 90 degree, which is almost never. I can think of the P2 Elder stranger pose with his hand over his heart that needs double joint, but that's about it. If you check those P2 "special bus" poses from a few posts above, not once was an appendage bend way past 90 degree, hence they are totally achievable with single joint. The most important joints are really the torso and the shoulder blade rolling back. I can't tell if the Berserker still has the shoulder blade articulation, but I agree not having the torso joint is a huge minus but that hardly justify using the old pred body design. That thing is so outdated it looks like it's made by sideshow or medicom. Barebone 1:6 body is only a stick figure armature to put clothes on, and should not be used to represent an actual body. Adding little bumps and scales and calling it a pred body really doesn't cut it. It was ok few years ago but today's expectation is way high for HT to pull that stuff with a new release. I'm glad HT is a forward thinking company, the only thing really missing with this new body type is a torso articulation and it's pretty much set.

 

[Karatka]

From Turtle's SDCC thread:

The body doesn't look like rubber, not sure why people even thought it would be.

Thank goodness. I've heard so many horror stories about rubber skins I was dreading that... rubber + tension does not equal long term durability.

 

[Kohun]

you're a lucky guy

Wish granted: Left open hand included

you're a wizard Valvoliner!

Now im somewhat more inclined to get this figure, hopefully a waist articulation this time? *hint hint

 

[Ratzo99]

double joints are nasty looking That' why Hot Toys never do those anymore UNLESS they are covered underneath clothings. The rule is that double joints are ok as long as your eyes don't see them, that's pretty much how HT is designing their figures these days. You don't need double joint unless you're bending way over 90 degree, which is almost never. I can think of the P2 Elder stranger pose with his hand over his heart that needs double joint, but that's about it. If you check those P2 "special bus" poses from a few posts above, not once was an appendage bend way past 90 degree, hence they are totally achievable with single joint. The most important joints are really the torso and the shoulder blade rolling back. I can't tell if the Berserker still has the shoulder blade articulation, but I agree not having the torso joint is a huge minus but that hardly justify using the old pred body design. That thing is so outdated it looks like it's made by sideshow or medicom. Barebone 1:6 body is only a stick figure armature to put clothes on, and should not be used to represent an actual body. Adding little bumps and scales and calling it a pred body really doesn't cut it. It was ok few years ago but today's expectation is way high for HT to pull that stuff with a new release. I'm glad HT is a forward thinking company, the only thing really missing with this new body type is a torso articulation and it's pretty much set.

I completely agree with everything you just said. Bam. I hope they re-release the P1 with this new body, and I don't give a ____ if that means he will be out of scale...who gives a damn, in the movie you couldn't even tell there was a height difference.

 

[Ratzo99]

ditto. they had that great balanced recipe for the preds before. now they're going full blown aesthetics...i should've been buying statues instead.

poseability makes ACTION figure FUN.

I'm with you guys in the notion that articulation was important, but I never picked up a single predator figure from the past, specifically because the highly poseable bodies had ____ty looking proportions and poorly hidden joints.

I will probably bite on the new classic predator design though, once they unveil it. I do hope it has more joints than this berserker, but I am of the opinion that a hyper poseable figure is only so desirable if the likeness isn't up to snuff.

If these new figures were the same style bodies as the previous predator releases, I wouldn't even be reading this thread. I don't disrespect your opposing views, I just wanted to let you know that not everyone feels the same way.

 

[thenammagazine]

double joints are nasty looking That' why Hot Toys never do those anymore UNLESS they are covered underneath clothings. The rule is that double joints are ok as long as your eyes don't see them, that's pretty much how HT is designing their figures these days. You don't need double joint unless you're bending way over 90 degree, which is almost never. I can think of the P2 Elder stranger pose with his hand over his heart that needs double joint, but that's about it. If you check those P2 "special bus" poses from a few posts above, not once was an appendage bend way past 90 degree, hence they are totally achievable with single joint. The most important joints are really the torso and the shoulder blade rolling back. I can't tell if the Berserker still has the shoulder blade articulation, but I agree not having the torso joint is a huge minus but that hardly justify using the old pred body design. That thing is so outdated it looks like it's made by sideshow or medicom. Barebone 1:6 body is only a stick figure armature to put clothes on, and should not be used to represent an actual body. Adding little bumps and scales and calling it a pred body really doesn't cut it. It was ok few years ago but today's expectation is way high for HT to pull that stuff with a new release. I'm glad HT is a forward thinking company, the only thing really missing with this new body type is a torso articulation and it's pretty much set.

You guys should be buying the maquettes then. There's a reason they're called "Poseable model kits" and "action figures." If you guys can't stand the exposed joints save up that extra $99 Washingtons and pick up the better statues Sideshow's producing because your opinions, and those who share them, are ruining my hobby.

 

[slipknotpredator]

I see Berserker as a posable statue. And im cool with that.

 

[Sabres21768]

You mean the bobbleheads?

Saw the prototypes. The oldschool Kenners were more accurate.

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As opposed to the pinhead Berserker Pred non-action action figure Hot Toys has made?

 

[thenammagazine]

As opposed to the pinhead Berserker Pred non-action action figure Hot Toys has made?

Still prefer the HT maquette to the vintage Hasbro-ish trio.

BTW, please keep pics, vids and GIFs of yourself in the "Let's see you" thread. Thanks in advance.

 

[bigpig]

Was seriously thinking about picking up this whole line until I saw the above poses lol
Whats the point in an 1/6 action figure if the best looking pose is stand straight arms by its side.....

might as well spend the money and tracking down all the predator 2 preds instead to go along with my guard

 

[abake]

The lack of articulation is a big negative for me... all the fun in these figures was the fact that they were highly articulated. We already knew that we couldn't get much accuracy from HT, but to see articulation take such a hit is really disappointing.
I will still get the Berserker, just to have something to menace Royce, but this doesn't bode well for my interest in HT figures.

 

[Theokan]

You guys should be buying the maquettes then. There's a reason they're called "Poseable model kits" and "action figures." If you guys can't stand the exposed joints save up that extra $99 Washingtons and pick up the better statues Sideshow's producing because your opinions, and those who share them, are ruining my hobby.

Thing is, HT doesn't listen to me. My opinion doesn't ruin your hobby as much as HT's new direction doesn't fit in with what you like about them. Me and others here just happen to like innovations and prefer what HT is putting out these days. I'm sorry that the snap kit days are over, but HT does high end stuff, and "offensive" exposed joints are just not very high end anymore. I will always love my older preds for what they are, but there's no reason to get stuck with the same thing since 06. A new chapter on the franchise with a new kind of predators is the best time to introduce a modern updated body, and that's way overdue.

The statue comparison is reasonable but an over exaggeration, you guys act like this is the first time HT is doing these new body types. Wolverine does just fine in the posing department, you can get a lot of dynamic and natural poses out of the single joints. Same goes with comedian, T-800 Arnold, dude from 300, etc etc. Only thing missing like I said before is the torso joint, which undeniably is a huge bummer We'll see if HT decides to change that, even if they don't I can see HT doing yet a newer pred body for the smaller preds with the torso joint added back in

 

[thenammagazine]

Thing is, HT doesn't listen to me. My opinion doesn't ruin your hobby as much as HT's new direction doesn't fit in with what you like about them. Me and others here just happen to like innovations and prefer what HT is putting out these days. I'm sorry that the snap kit days are over, but HT does high end stuff, and "offensive" exposed joints are just not very high end anymore. I will always love my older preds for what they are, but there's no reason to get stuck with the same thing since 06. A new chapter on the franchise with a new kind of predators is the best time to introduce a modern updated body, and that's way overdue.

The statue comparison is reasonable but an over exaggeration, you guys act like this is the first time HT is doing these new body types. Wolverine does just fine in the posing department, you can get a lot of dynamic and natural poses out of the single joints. Same goes with comedian, T-800 Arnold, dude from 300, etc etc. Only thing missing like I said before is the torso joint, which undeniably is a huge bummer We'll see if HT decides to change that, or maybe even have a version 2 of an older pred with a modern body + the torso joint

Well, you're wrong. They do listen, and have been listening as it seems like every figure being released has less and less articulation in favor of aesthetics. And I'd challenge you to post "dynamic poses" with those figures you've mentioned because frankly, you can't since the human body's natural posturing, almost perfectly mimicked by the TT, is continually inhibited in favor of hiding joints. I think HT needs to seriously consider where they're going as far as making "action figures" because their newer stuff is getting closer and closer to what NECA is doing (articulation-wise ONLY) and those're already considered mini statues. I think the new TrueTypes are the perfect compromise between articulation and aesthetics. Again, if the exposed joints bother you that much that you find them literally "offensive," perhaps you should stop collecting "action figures" and move up to maquettes. Financially, it's not that big a step, they're worth more in the end, and are considerably more beautiful than what HT offers.

 

[Theokan]

Well, you're wrong. They do listen, and have been listening as it seems like every figure being released has less and less articulation in favor of aesthetics. And I'd challenge you to post "dynamic poses" with those figures you've mentioned because frankly, you can't since the human body's natural posturing, almost perfectly mimicked by the TT, is continually inhibited in favor of hiding joints. I think HT needs to seriously consider where they're going as far as making "action figures" because their newer stuff is getting closer and closer to what NECA is doing (articulation-wise ONLY) and those're already considered mini statues. I think the new TrueTypes are the perfect compromise between articulation and aesthetics. Again, if the exposed joints bother you that much that you find them literally "offensive," perhaps you should stop collecting "action figures" and move up to maquettes. Financially, it's not that big a step, they're worth more in the end, and are considerably more beautiful than what HT offers.

I don't know how much the people have at influencing HT's decisions, but I'm sure HT would not do something without truly agreeing and believing in it themselves. You can blame the people, but ultimately it's HT's decision to go this route.

The "mini statues" are referring to certain action figures (mostly from NECA and Mcfarlane) that didn't have any ball joints at all. So all the joints are really fake and it's essentially just a statue with swivels that are useless for posing. Most "real" action figures before the HT days didn't have double joints and they are perfectly fine to be called action figures, (He-man, Ninja Turtles, Batman etc) and HT's new bodies are much more articulated than those old school figures anyway. They are really moving closer to the traditional action figure approach as opposed to the doll figure approach that they started with. So as far as them being labeled as "action figures" it actually makes much more sense with these newer bodies. If you prefer the TT body, they are still making them and it's not going away, it's just that all exposed body parts will not have double joints anymore. For human characters you can always kitbash a TT body if you prefer that instead.

These new bodies are not that bad for posing at all, there's more than enough to do kick arse poses if you're pushing it far enough.(not literally, dont break your figure) I always have my Wolverine crouching low like an animal the way he does in the comics, I can upload some shots later tonight to my profile but I don't want to post them here since they are not Predator related.

I don't find all joints offensive, only certain very visible double joints that deforms the body proportion. Also, I do collect Statues. Half my collection is HT and the other half are SSC statues. See, I don't discriminate, they are equally awesome.