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[TheFiend]

Look what you T2 haters turned Difabio into. At the beginning of the thread he was very ' come on guys,dont be like that.'

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[Sidious-66]

You put it back on

Yeah it was back on as soon as the spots disappeared. .

Should they come back then I will be equipped this time.

Not going to go over the T1 v T2 debate as I assume it has been done to death around these parts but it is interesting to see some members think that the T-1000 was/looked more menacing than the T1 T-800.

It is funny as the T-1000 was probably closer to the look they wanted in the original, a machine that could blend into society but we all know that they went against the grain in T1 and casted the man mountain Arnie. For me anyway the T1 T-800 is one of the most intimidating villains ever to grace the big screen not that the T-1000 wasn't menacing but to be honest I never watched T2 and came to the conclusion that I would not like to meet the T-1000 down a dark alley unlike the original T-800, especially when he has his eyebrows burned off.

Say what you will about Arnie's acting abilities but the one thing he has mastered is screen presence and he was at his very best with that skill on T1. Sure he has acted a lot better in his other movies, Predator being his best in my opinion but his presence on T1 was at it's peak.

 

[Terminator_Fan_Game]

T1 A fast paced edgy thriller in which an intimating Arnold Schwarzenegger still in Mr. Olympia shape hunts down an innocent woman for the role she will play in a war 40 years in the future. Arnold plays the unstoppable killing machine known as the Terminator to murder Sarah Connor played by a young hot Linda Hamilton who shows considerable character progression throughout the film. Her defender a badass sergeant form the future risks all to come to the past to save her. Witness flash backs of Los Angeles 2029 as Reese fights with the machines in the ruins. Excellent set design and special effects really bring home the horrific nightmarish future. Armed with weapons that cannot stop the relentless killing machine Reese and Sarah try to out run and survive the terminator's onslaught. With brilliant fast pacing and a hard raw visual appearance the Terminator is a science fiction spectacle to behold. A haunting minimalistic soundtrack adds to the already tense film as two humans flee from death personified himself. While hiding from the killer cyborg our hero Kyle Reese professes his love for Sarah Connor in a beautiful and uncharacteristic tender moment in which John Connor is conceived setting up the time paradox. The movie is a modern day gritty slasher movie in which the hero’s are helpless to stop the metal killer. The climatic showdown happens in an abandoned automated factory with a secret. The Terminator feels no pity, it feels no remorse and it will not stop until Sarah Connor is dead.

T2 features an anorexic Arnold Schwarzenegger returning in a unnecessary and unoriginal sequel . In a predicable turn of events Arnold Schwarzenegger now is cast as the good guy to better fit his main stream image. The T-1000 is a new enemy played by a thin no name actor who has wears way to much tin foil and pie tins. Watch in horror as the once badass killing machine is whipped by a 12 year old boy into being his *****. Meet the new gentler and softer T-800 who makes a mockery of the name "terminator" and never terminates anybody through out the whole film. Laugh along with our loveable machine lug uncle Bob as he learns to smile awkwardly, use popular late 80’s insults and most sweet of all, learn the ability to love. Cry along with John as his mommy kills the machine that he treats like a surrogate father only after knowing it for a couple of days. A huge slow second act is sure to put you to sleep (mode) as you wonder when the killing starts (hint is never does). With poor special effects like sub par CGI, exposed wires and poor stop motion you will wonder who “terminated” the special effects budget. After watching a emasculated machine teach the audience about love and the value of human life in this 2 and a half hour long after school special you’ll be sure to want to “self terminate”.

I love both movies, but I love T1 a lot more.

 

[a-dev]

James Cameron himself loves T2 more. I know a lot of people don't rate Cameron these days so his view might not count for much with those people but I still think he's a legend. Never fails to make a great, entertaining film.

 

[Sidious-66]

James Cameron himself loves T2 more. I know a lot of people don't rate Cameron these days so his view might not count for much with those people but I still think he's a legend. Never fails to make a great, entertaining film.

Yeah his films are always a treat and I could imagine him preferring T2 over T1.

T1 must have been a nightmare to make and as some have said it hasn't aged well.

 

[karamazov80]

That's just reaching for anything at all to trash. T-1000 was too advanced? So what. Might aswell complain about Hulk and Superman being too superpowered, about where in the hell Batman manages to fit all his gadgets on his person that he can conveniently take out as the occasion calls for it. That's just complaining about fun and entertainment value that is. They made him have these abilities so as to up the ante and play host to cool set pieces that would top those of the original film. And they stopped short of having him be able to form guns and bombs or turn into a giant Marshmallow man. That was all the restraint you need.

My point is that I think there is dramatic value in restraint. T2's decisions were made so that Cameron could raise the bar, expand the scope, and really explore the boundaries of technology. Toward the end of making a great action film, he succeeded. But with T1, less is more IMO. Maybe it was largely due to Cameron simply not having as many resources at his disposal, but then he had to really focus on mood and drama over effects and spectacle.

 

[karamazov80]

As for aging well, T1 was representative of the times in which it was made. But then, that is part of its charm. The same could be said for Back to the Future, Network, Taxi Driver, or the Apartment. Just because films are firmly situated in a specific time and place, and maybe represent some of the filmmaking limitations of that time, doesn't take away from their value. It just gives them a different kind of appeal.

 

[a-dev]

As for aging well, T1 was representative of the times in which it was made. But then, that is part of its charm. The same could be said for Back to the Future, Network, Taxi Driver, or the Apartment. Just because films are firmly situated in a specific time and place, and maybe represent some of the filmmaking limitations of that time, doesn't take away from their value. It just gives them a different kind of appeal.

I don't disagree with this. But then no one would be making that accusation against T1 if they weren't constantly having to defend T2 these days

 

[HeubertMichael]

James Cameron himself loves T2 more. I know a lot of people don't rate Cameron these days so his view might not count for much with those people but I still think he's a legend. Never fails to make a great, entertaining film.

... movies that are also way ahead of their time.

The SFX for Terminator 2 and The Abyss don't really feel and look outdated considering that both movies are past 20 years old, when you see SFX currently used at least on Sci-Fi TV shows.

 

[Sidious-66]

As for aging well, T1 was representative of the times in which it was made. But then, that is part of its charm. The same could be said for Back to the Future, Network, Taxi Driver, or the Apartment. Just because films are firmly situated in a specific time and place, and maybe represent some of the filmmaking limitations of that time, doesn't take away from their value. It just gives them a different kind of appeal.

Yeah I agree some of T1's appeal is the now dated special effects but remember T1's effects were dated just a few years later but T2's still stand tall today.

But T1 is still the better movie.

 

[karamazov80]

Yeah, but they were some of the most groundbreaking films of the time in terms of special effects. In that sense, his films may have been the only ones of that period with fantastic components (i.e., more than a fake shark) that you can say stand up to today's effects standards. Look even at Raiders, and the ghosts at the end, and it looks a bit hokey if you're judging by modern standards.

I don't disagree with this. But then no one would be making that accusation against T1 if they weren't constantly having to defend T2 these days

No one forces anyone else to defend T2. Just take your lumps!

 

[Sidious-66]

Yeah, but they were some of the most groundbreaking films of the time in terms of special effects. In that sense, his films may have been the only ones of that period with fantastic components (i.e., more than a fake shark) that you can say stand up to today's effects standards. Look even at Raiders, and the ghosts at the end, and it looks a bit hokey if you're judging by modern standards.


No one forces anyone else to defend T2. Just take your lumps!

Yeah I can see what you are saying. For me the better effects in T2 sort of took away some of the realism aspect that T1 had.

And when you ask most people about ground-breaking movies then as you say T2 is always mentioned.

 

[a-dev]

No one forces anyone else to defend T2. Just take your lumps!

 

[olbertfrog]

Damn what have you became ???
Its like brother vs brother.
Both are awesome

 

[a-dev]

I am capable of loving both. I do love both.

 

[River Man]

Ummm, excuse me you guys! What isn't Terminator 3 in this discussion!!!???!

 

[Hologram AI]

Ummm, excuse me you guys! What isn't Terminator 3 in this discussion!!!???!

Because T3 shouldn't be in the same discussion that contains T1 or T2. Even more so in a discussion with both.

 

[Sidious-66]

Because T3 shouldn't be in the same discussion that contains T1 or T2. Even more so in a discussion with both.

Arnold doesn't agree -

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O-QqC9yM28"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O-QqC9yM28[/ame]



All joking aside T3 should not be mentioned in the same sentence as the original two.

 

[Meter Man]

Arnold doesn't agree -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O-QqC9yM28



All joking aside T3 should not be mentioned in the same sentence as the original two.

Amen! And that scene right there was an added insult to the franchise lol.

 

[Sidious-66]

Amen! That scene right there was an insult to the franchise lol.

Nah the Elton John shades scene was were it went downhill. How that made it into the movie I will never know.