Nah the Elton John shades scene was were it went downhill. How that made it into the movie I will never know.
Oh yes of course. How could I forgot that gem. Ugh!!
Hot Toys - MMS136 - The Terminator: 1/6th scale T800 Collectible Figure (T1)
- Thread starter Buttmunch
- Start date
Help Support Collector Freaks Forum:
Oh yes of course. How could I forgot that gem. Ugh!!
Arnie as protector only worked once. And I think that's all it could ever have managed. After that it was why do this again. Why does an audience need to see that scenario again? Well...they don't. Not to mention it starts to get silly in the context of the T-universe. Why is it always an Arnie model? There were other models of T-800 Terminators.
Cuz it was big 'n crazy
T1 and Predator - two great examples of a simple genre movies doomed to lost in B-garbage shelves became cinema classics due to the work of many talented ppl in a very restricted environment.
T2 = T1 with a budget and all its attendant problems.
Last edited:
Sidious-66
Super Freak
Because anyone trying to defend T3 would be ridiculed relentlessly by everyone until they left the forum forever in a rage.
Sidious-66
Super Freak
Cuz it was big 'n crazy
T1 and Predator - two great examples of a simple genre movie doomed to lost in B-garbage shelves became cinema classic due to the work of many talented ppl in a very restricted environment.
T2 = T1 with a bugdet and all its attendant problems.
You can add Robocop to that list as well mate. Robocop 2 and 3 however, hell no and I will not even mention the upcoming imposter.
You didn't like robo 2? I thought it was great. But yea, robo 3 needs to die painfully.
Cuz it was big 'n crazy
T1 and Predator - two great examples of a simple genre movies doomed to lost in B-garbage shelves became cinema classics due to the work of many talented ppl in a very restricted environment.
T2 = T1 with a bugdet and all its attendant problems.
James Cameron - no restraint - makes great, highly entertaining films.
George Lucas - no restraint - makes utterly crap films.
Point is - no harm done. T2 somehow still managed to be a great film so what are we even debating about? Why the need?
Sidious-66
Super Freak
I like Robocop 2 it is a nice action movie but it was so far and away from the original that it doesn't belong to stand side by side with it.
Well let's look at your Lucas example. '77 Star Wars, he had limited resources, had to be creative to tell the story he wanted to, and created a masterpiece of film.
'99 Star Wars, he had every tool he could want, any actor he could ask for, no real restrictions on time or scale. And the movie sucked horribly.
Restraint, albeit forced restraint, led to a vastly superior film.
Arnold doesn't agree -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O-QqC9yM28
All joking aside T3 should not be mentioned in the same sentence as the original two.
Definitely!
The only scene I liked from T3 was the ending sequence where the bombs dropped and the score that was playing with it. That's about it.
Yeah but my point is, unlike Lucas, Cameron has the ability to make a highly enjoyable film whether he was restricted by time and technology or not. Unless you disagree about T2 being enjoyable. If you think T2 is crap well, obviously, you won't agree with my point.
I think both films are very much of their time, and they work because of it. Both have a real tension to them, but while T1 is an '80s film, with all the raw, low-budget grit and bleakness that comes with that, T2 is definitely a '90s film - it's much sleeker and more bombastic with the scale and the effects and so on. I understand having a preference for one or the other, but I think they compliment each other really well and belong in the same universe.
T3... well, that's definitely an early 2000s film (i.e. a completely cynical cash-in) and Salvation's definitely a late 2000s film (i.e. a poorly thought-out reboot). Really, once you remove Cameron and Hamilton from the franchise, you're not left with much.
Cameron seems like a pretty dreadful human being, but you can't fault him when it comes to fighting to get his vision realised on screen.
T3... well, that's definitely an early 2000s film (i.e. a completely cynical cash-in) and Salvation's definitely a late 2000s film (i.e. a poorly thought-out reboot). Really, once you remove Cameron and Hamilton from the franchise, you're not left with much.
Cameron seems like a pretty dreadful human being, but you can't fault him when it comes to fighting to get his vision realised on screen.
I suppose I'm just not sure what people are arguing - is it merely to restate ''T1 is better and here's why'' or is there an element of ''if Cameron had done X and Y(or not done X and Y) T2 could and should have been the better film?''
Yeah, Cameron really is a great filmmaker. Some people crap on True Lies, but I thought even it was fun. Love Paxton's character in it.
Clearly, some filmmakers are just good, no matter what. I would add Spielberg to that list. But I think there's another example where the bigger the scale, the lesser the product in many cases. AI and War of the Worlds didn't have nearly the impact that Close Encounters or ET did, for example.
Clearly, some filmmakers are just good, no matter what. I would add Spielberg to that list. But I think there's another example where the bigger the scale, the lesser the product in many cases. AI and War of the Worlds didn't have nearly the impact that Close Encounters or ET did, for example.
Whatever it takes to prove that you are wrong!
He is, despite how popular it is to slag him off nowadays. There's not one of his films I don't enjoy and wouldn't rewatch again and again. Except for Piranha 2 but that hardly counts.
Whatever it takes to prove that you are wrong!
https://youtu.be/eRJaxNoPcBM?t=7m20s
I've got polls and popular opinion on my side
He is, despite how popular it is to slag him off nowadays. There's not one of his films I don't enjoy and wouldn't rewatch again and again. Except for Piranha 2 but that hardly counts.
https://youtu.be/eRJaxNoPcBM?t=7m20s
I've got polls and popular opinion on my side
Same here, I just watched The Terminator recently on one of the movie channels and I could turn around and watch it again today. Same goes with Aliens, T2, Avatar, Titanic, The Abyss.
Yeah I like True Lies, I thought they would of made a sequel but nothing happened, who can forget JLC as the hooker.
tominator56
Super Freak
Well its now confirmed that the next terminator film will simply be called "Terminator" and will be rebooted - so no follow on from the first two films. That good or bad?
For me, i'd of preferred a continuation from the first two films but as that's not going to happen who knows what a rebooted terminator film will bring. Other than another John Connor, Kyle Reece and a Sarah Connor that's not Linda Hamilton!
For me, i'd of preferred a continuation from the first two films but as that's not going to happen who knows what a rebooted terminator film will bring. Other than another John Connor, Kyle Reece and a Sarah Connor that's not Linda Hamilton!
Similar threads
