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[Double J]

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....All of the complaining about MoS, when if the original movie were released today the Internet would implode under the sheer weight of the hate and scorn it would engender. Because truth, if it were not for CR that movie has very little to offer.

But, because its old that makes it perfect, while anything that comes after is bad simply because its NOT the old one. Nothing the filmmakers can do at this point will be lauded, which is why I think it would be better to just not waste the money doing "Batfleck Hates Superman;" but that is just me. The franchise is doomed.

I agree 100% . Crap like that drives me crazy with people today. They Can't just like the old one and the new one. Nope. Because one version is the one they seen first and grew up with makes it the best and can never be beat.

 

[CHUYHA85]

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I agree 100% . Crap like that drives me crazy with people today. They Can't just like the old one and the new one. Nope. Because one version is the one they seen first and grew up with makes it the best and can never be beat.

Nobody said the first ones were perfect, but you have to agreed that they have a different vibe: effects, story, acting, etc.
Truth is MOS is a good film, some reviewers mentioned it was a lot of cgi/action thru the whole film and to be honest that alone doesnt make a great film.... it has to have a little of everything, just my 2 cents

 

[imaI2EAPEi2]

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....All of the complaining about MoS, when if the original movie were released today the Internet would implode under the sheer weight of the hate and scorn it would engender. Because truth, if it were not for CR that movie has very little to offer.

But, because its old that makes it perfect, while anything that comes after is bad simply because its NOT the old one. Nothing the filmmakers can do at this point will be lauded, which is why I think it would be better to just not waste the money doing "Batfleck Hates Superman;" but that is just me. The franchise is doomed.

Yea lets not waste money doing batfleck its totally going to ruin everything, such a bad actor he alone will destroy the franchise we all know and love. Just like heath destroyed the dark knight trilogy. He was such a bad actor, can you believe it he was in broke bat mountain definitely ruined the movie for everyone. one of the worst trilogies EVER.

Grow up seriously! Really batfleck hates superman?? A five year old could have came up with something better. If anything afleck can make this movie great. He is a great actor in most recent movies and an even better director, something heath never had. If he sets his mind into the movie just like heath did this could be amazing and set up the new batman re boot. Stop judging the book by its damn cover!

ON another note. I really enjoyed MOS. Till that day ive always wanted a movie with amazing cgi in fight scenes and this trumps all. It felt like an actual super hero in the real world. Similar to the avengers but with actual super powers and i mean SUPER! I especially loved that they made it look realistic with all the surroundings. Now the story was a bit weak and cavill( who was awesome in immortals) didnt have much acting, especially with all the flash backs and traveling he did. He will have a lot more in the next movie and his character will develop as well to the superman everyone knows. REMEMBER guys the first movie isnt always the best. Look at TDK trilogy batman begins wasnt really that popular and the last 2 were spectacular, and this could be the same for MOS. If you actually love the character support the damn movie even if you dont agree with the casting. Bashing it wont change a thing. keep an open mind.

PS# sorry i had to vent that out just tired of all the bashing... Cant wait for this Figure to come out!!!! MOST WANTED!

 

[Frank Jaeger]

MMS200 - Man of Steel: Superman Collectible Figure

Batman Begins was so much better than TDKR

TDKR wasn't even close to being spectacular

 

[HotKing]

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Batman Begins was so much better than TDKR

TDKR wasn't even close to being spectacular

 

[DGTWoodward]

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I have always considered SUperman as one of my equal favourite 'Big Three' with the others being Spiderman and Batman.

When I heard that MoS was coming, that a well established visionary director was handling it, that the cast was good, that we'd see a lot of Healthy super fit Kryptonians battling things out with today's FX being used...

I wanted to love it, I really did. Sadly, Nolan's 'serious gritty' which worked perfectly for Batman made me take pause.

Sure enough, and typically of his films, there was no emotional connection to Superman, nor Superman to the people around him...except for Lois, in the highly (even more so than usual to make it work) contrived love story that develops in the 12 odd minutes of screen time they actually share.

And sure enough, all the familiar Nolan Bat trademarks are there, the non-linear storytelling, the brooding contemplative moodiness, the badly executed peripheral characters. Now I don't expect my opinion to be the only one that matters to the world, and the critics always bash these types of films anyway...but when both the critics and a large slice of the hard core fans bash a film, then it's surely a strong hint that things are just not right with a movie.

It was very pretty to look at but it had no heart. It was as shallow as a small puddle on a very hot day. And that is an accusation that should never be aimed at a Superman film by a Superman fan.

Now, hopefully they will be able to put things right in the sequels. Ben Affleck (who to me is possibly the very worst choice to play BATMAN BTW) has a fair amount of muscle/juice these days and is a massive comic fan, I'd trade my disapproval of him as The Bat for him steering the subsequent MoS movies in a better direction.

 

[Meter Man]

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LOL I was thinking the exact same scene. He was trying to keep people out of harm's way during that whole battle whereas in Man of Steel, it didn't seem like he could care less... just monstrous punches after another creating shockwaves and exploding buildings. Growing pains I guess. Still a good movie though, not something I would go crazy over but enjoyable like IM3.

He delivers the same line in supes 4 with extra cheese. I love it!

 

[dw316]

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He delivers the same line in supes 4 with extra cheese. I love it!

LOL! Was this at the end when he was fighting Sun Man outside of the Daily Planet? I almost kind of remember it, he was burning up things and Supes was using freeze breath before going in the elevator and Sun Man flying through the floors to meet him at the top.

 

[Meter Man]

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LOL! Was this at the end when he was fighting Sun Man outside of the Daily Planet? I almost kind of remember it, he was burning up things and Supes was using freeze breath before going in the elevator and Sun Man flying through the floors to meet him at the top.

You got it! I swear you can see CR trying not to crack up just like he almost did in supes 2.

 

[DGTWoodward]

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....All of the complaining about MoS, when if the original movie were released today the Internet would implode under the sheer weight of the hate and scorn it would engender. Because truth, if it were not for CR that movie has very little to offer.

But, because its old that makes it perfect, while anything that comes after is bad simply because its NOT the old one. Nothing the filmmakers can do at this point will be lauded, which is why I think it would be better to just not waste the money doing "Batfleck Hates Superman;" but that is just me. The franchise is doomed.

Actually, the Donner movies are loaded with terrible/nonsensical aspects that, to this day, make me cringe visibly with "Can you read my mind (Whilst I'm simultaneously suffocating and dying of hypothermia)?" being just one. You are correct in the assertion that Chris Reeve was a major factor in the success of the Donner films...but that's far from all there was to them.

Richard Donner used a word to describe Chris Reeve, it was "Verisimilitude" in that he was real, there was no fakery (real word?) about him. It could easily said that this is how he tried to make the films, with verisimilitude. And it shows because there is an honest and open charm to them that lives to this day, and it is not just because of CR. The miniature dept did their best, the practical effects teams did their best, the optical people did their best, the whole cast did their best and so the total worth becomes more valuable than the sum of it's individual parts.

It has happened time and time again, classic TREK, WHO, Blake's 7, Babylon 5, Original Mish Imp, Ford/Fisher/Hamill, The Avengers to name just a small few. The original films had a charm, a warmth, that this new one just does not have. Charming is the last word I'd use to describe it. Cold, certainly...warm, definitely not.

40 years from now (I'll be long gone by then) when it's MoS's turn to be 4 decades old, they'll still be referring to it as "Superman:The Movie's" black sheep cousin.

Don't make any mistakes here though, our 'SHIELD 3D' version arrived from Amazon France today, so I did like it as far as it went, it just did not go very far.

 

[Ramatuelle]

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Grow up seriously! Really batfleck hates superman?? A five year old could have came up with something better. If anything afleck can make this movie great.

Point completely missed, my friend. I am actually neutral about Batfleck.

My POINT is, that the 1970s-era films are over, but we are not allowed to have a new Superman. We cant have one because the only person allowed to play Superman is CR. The Seventies are over, and CR is dead [may he rest in peace]. So: no new Superman allowed.

Now to me, people should be dancing in place after seeing something that is not "Superman Returns" [or whatever that thing with Brandon Routh in it was called]. But that's not what we got. We got an internet's-worth of hate, and I still don't understand it.

REMEMBER guys the first movie isnt always the best.

You are preaching to the choir here. I am absolutely willing to see Cavill's version of Supes learn and grow as a hero. Its that whole internet's-worth of "CR OR BUST!" that we have to worry about.

I really, really think that people want to see a screen version of Millar's "Red Son." The Russian Superman is still a good person, still trying to do the right thing even though he grew up under Soviet propaganda/the Stalin government.

Poor Superman is trying to stop every bad event he can. He tries to intercept every accident, every explosion, to the point where he can never complete a conversation or enjoy a parade in his honor without having to leave and go stop a train wreck or something. He wears himself out emotionally doing this, because he hardly ever has a moment of peace. If he did, someone would die.

People were upset with MoS that he was not disengaging with Zod to go save kittens out of trees. Wrong. Supes saves kittens from trees when the fate of the planet as a whole is not at stake, can we all agree on that...? No......? *sad*

 

[Ramatuelle]

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The original films had a charm, a warmth, that this new one just does not have. Charming is the last word I'd use to describe it. Cold, certainly...warm, definitely not.

But this assumes that "charm" was what MoS's creator-team was going for. I don't think they were in the least interested in charming us. What they wanted to do was AWE us, not charm us.

Last summer we had the Avengers. They wanted to establish the MoS franchise as another "universe" where truly jaw-dropping things could happen. And IMO, they did it. We saw things in MoS that had never been seen before, and I can still see them in my mind's-eye.

CR was a warm, likeable human being. Cavill's version is an alien with the powers of a god - also likeable, but a little remote as all those with such power would have to be in real life. Perhaps Lois will break into his personal space in a meaningful fashion; the rest of humanity can step back. In a real sense, such a person would be always alone.

I can wait for charm. It is a skill he will learn, perhaps. But if he does not, we can still marvel at the power he wields.

 

[DGTWoodward]

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But this assumes that "charm" was what MoS's creator-team was going for. I don't think they were in the least interested in charming us. What they wanted to do was AWE us, not charm us.

Last summer we had the Avengers. They wanted to establish the MoS franchise as another "universe" where truly jaw-dropping things could happen. And IMO, they did it. We saw things in MoS that had never been seen before, and I can still see them in my mind's-eye.

CR was a warm, likeable human being. Cavill's version is an alien with the powers of a god - also likeable, but a little remote as all those with such power would have to be in real life. Perhaps Lois will break into his personal space in a meaningful fashion; the rest of humanity can step back. In a real sense, such a person would be always alone.

I can wait for charm. It is a skill he will learn, perhaps. But if he does not, we can still marvel at the power he wields.

We have butted heads on this a few times in the past, but now that we are talking about it more directly between the two of us...I begin to see your view more clearly. I still don't agree with you but I am really beginning to get where you are coming from.

Thank you for the continued clarification. It makes for great conversations.

 

[Statiss]

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But this assumes that "charm" was what MoS's creator-team was going for. I don't think they were in the least interested in charming us. What they wanted to do was AWE us, not charm us.

Last summer we had the Avengers. They wanted to establish the MoS franchise as another "universe" where truly jaw-dropping things could happen. And IMO, they did it. We saw things in MoS that had never been seen before, and I can still see them in my mind's-eye.

CR was a warm, likeable human being. Cavill's version is an alien with the powers of a god - also likeable, but a little remote as all those with such power would have to be in real life. Perhaps Lois will break into his personal space in a meaningful fashion; the rest of humanity can step back. In a real sense, such a person would be always alone.

I can wait for charm. It is a skill he will learn, perhaps. But if he does not, we can still marvel at the power he wields.

Great, great post!

 

[imaI2EAPEi2]

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Point completely missed, my friend. I am actually neutral about Batfleck.

My POINT is, that the 1970s-era films are over, but we are not allowed to have a new Superman. We cant have one because the only person allowed to play Superman is CR. The Seventies are over, and CR is dead [may he rest in peace]. So: no new Superman allowed.

Now to me, people should be dancing in place after seeing something that is not "Superman Returns" [or whatever that thing with Brandon Routh in it was called]. But that's not what we got. We got an internet's-worth of hate, and I still don't understand it.



You are preaching to the choir here. I am absolutely willing to see Cavill's version of Supes learn and grow as a hero. Its that whole internet's-worth of "CR OR BUST!" that we have to worry about.

I really, really think that people want to see a screen version of Millar's "Red Son." The Russian Superman is still a good person, still trying to do the right thing even though he grew up under Soviet propaganda/the Stalin government.

Poor Superman is trying to stop every bad event he can. He tries to intercept every accident, every explosion, to the point where he can never complete a conversation or enjoy a parade in his honor without having to leave and go stop a train wreck or something. He wears himself out emotionally doing this, because he hardly ever has a moment of peace. If he did, someone would die.

People were upset with MoS that he was not disengaging with Zod to go save kittens out of trees. Wrong. Supes saves kittens from trees when the fate of the planet as a whole is not at stake, can we all agree on that...? No......? *sad*

apologies and that is true about your last statement. Anyways in the last battle scenes most of those people were crushed already by the machine and falling buildings. he cant save EVERY life, but he did managed to save earth.

 

[Username]

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The only redemption i can see for Man Of Steel is that if the events in this movie is what brings his compassion and caring to the fore.
That wasn't shown a lot in the movie, so if the sequel has it, then this was meant to be a learning experience.
If he's still all "fighting like crazy, bringing the city down around him uncaringly" in the sequel, then it will show that the random destruction was just spectacle.

 

[Tourist]

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The only redemption i can see for Man Of Steel is that if the events in this movie is what brings his compassion and caring to the fore.
That wasn't shown a lot in the movie, so if the sequel has it, then this was meant to be a learning experience.
If he's still all "fighting like crazy, bringing the city down around him uncaringly" in the sequel, then it will show that the random destruction was just spectacle.

It's a good point that was addressed by writer David Goyer.
He mentioned that Superman is not yet fully himself in MOS and that there will be consequences seen in the next movie.
MOS is clearly about this guy trying to figure out who he is.
He is a hero in the classic sense, a man on a journey that will change him.

 

[Username]

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It's a good point that was addressed by writer David Goyer.
He mentioned that Superman is not yet fully himself in MOS and that there will be consequences seen in the next movie.
MOS is clearly about this guy trying to figure out who he is.
He is a hero in the classic sense, a man on a journey that will change him.

Of course.
When i started my critique several posts back(Yes, i think i was the one who started the ball rolling with the usual suspects), i for one NEVER said MOS was rubbish in comparison to the old Reeve Movies.
I was just pointing out the MOS movie and what i felt were it's flaws.
I never mentioned the Reeve films.
I like the Reeve films and think it will take a lot for me to think of Superman and not see Reeve in my mind's eye.
But as i have said on many occasions, i feel the ultimate and best Superman so far is Brandon Routh.
I loved the visuals in Man Of Steel, and how the character is reimagined.
But for me, nothing will beat Routh, unless the Man Of Steel sequel(s) are spectacular.

 

[Chuck72586]

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I hate the idea that Superman has to learn from killing Zod. Snyder and Goyer have said that his no killing rule has to come from somewhere, and they're right, but from actually killing someone? I don't think so. That's what his upbringing with the Kents is for. Saying that his no kill rule comes about because he killed Zod implies that Superman really didn't think killing someone would be a big deal, but once he did it he decided it just wasn't for him and then decides to never kill again. And it doesn't even come off that way in the film. In the film it seems like he really didn't want to kill Zod and that he likely already had a no kill rule in place, but unfortunately he was put in an impossible situation and really had no other choice but to do what he had to do. But Snyder and Goyer sort of keep shooting themselves in the foot by explaining it the way they have. They should have just said, "Look, we know Superman doesn't kill, but we wanted to put him in a situation where he absolutely had to because we thought it would be interesting for his character and to see how he handles it." I think that would be way better and would make a whole lot more sense as well.

 

[Gipetto0812]

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I agree with your points Ramatuelle even if sometimes you go a little haywire You pretty much say what I want to say before I say it haha

The only redemption i can see for Man Of Steel is that if the events in this movie is what brings his compassion and caring to the fore.
That wasn't shown a lot in the movie, so if the sequel has it, then this was meant to be a learning experience.
If he's still all "fighting like crazy, bringing the city down around him uncaringly" in the sequel, then it will show that the random destruction was just spectacle.

I think that's what they were going for (as said below) but it just went over most ppls head who were already going for their pitchforks and torches

It's a good point that was addressed by writer David Goyer.
He mentioned that Superman is not yet fully himself in MOS and that there will be consequences seen in the next movie.
MOS is clearly about this guy trying to figure out who he is.
He is a hero in the classic sense, a man on a journey that will change him.

Of course.
When i started my critique several posts back(Yes, i think i was the one who started the ball rolling with the usual suspects), i for one NEVER said MOS was rubbish in comparison to the old Reeve Movies.
I was just pointing out the MOS movie and what i felt were it's flaws.
I never mentioned the Reeve films.
I like the Reeve films and think it will take a lot for me to think of Superman and not see Reeve in my mind's eye.
But as i have said on many occasions, i feel the ultimate and best Superman so far is Brandon Routh.
I loved the visuals in Man Of Steel, and how the character is reimagined.
But for me, nothing will beat Routh, unless the Man Of Steel sequel(s) are spectacular.

I really do like Routh's portrayal...the movie would've been great if it wasn't trying to be a sequal. I recently watched Returns again and thoroughly enjoyed it. Had been awhile since I'd seen it due to my love for MoS