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[Ramatuelle]

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I hate the idea that Superman has to learn from killing Zod. Snyder and Goyer have said that his no killing rule has to come from somewhere, and they're right, but from actually killing someone? I don't think so. That's what his upbringing with the Kents is for. Saying that his no kill rule comes about because he killed Zod implies that Superman really didn't think killing someone would be a big deal, but once he did it he decided it just wasn't for him and then decides to never kill again. And it doesn't even come off that way in the film. In the film it seems like he really didn't want to kill Zod and that he likely already had a no kill rule in place, but unfortunately he was put in an impossible situation and really had no other choice but to do what he had to do. But Snyder and Goyer sort of keep shooting themselves in the foot by explaining it the way they have. They should have just said, "Look, we know Superman doesn't kill, but we wanted to put him in a situation where he absolutely had to because we thought it would be interesting for his character and to see how he handles it." I think that would be way better and would make a whole lot more sense as well.

I am not angry as the emote implies, I just..... you're upset with the movie not really because of what happens, but because of how the creator-team explains it?

It just seems to me that this is hunting around for things to get upset about.

Let me put it like this: I bet your parents taught YOU that killing is wrong. But if you were in the right situation, I bet you would kill. If someone broke into your house and trashed your house and threatened you, you might kill them. You wouldn't like killing. You were not born to kill. But if someone pointed a gun at you and said, "either you die, or I do" I bet you are going to pull that trigger.

THAT IS IN ESSENCE WHAT HAPPENED TO SUPERMAN.

 

[Chuck72586]

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I am not angry as the emote implies, I just..... you're upset with the movie not really because of what happens, but because of how the creator-team explains it?

It just seems to me that this is hunting around for things to get upset about.

Let me put it like this: I bet your parents taught YOU that killing is wrong. But if you were in the right situation, I bet you would kill. If someone broke into your house and trashed your house and threatened you, you might kill them. You wouldn't like killing. You were not born to kill. But if someone pointed a gun at you and said, "either you die, or I do" I bet you are going to pull that trigger.

THAT IS IN ESSENCE WHAT HAPPENED TO SUPERMAN.

I'm aware that's what happened to Superman and I don't mind it, but like I said, Snyder and Goyer aren't really helping themselves out by explaining it the way they have. I didn't mind Zod's death because I thought it showed a Superman who clearly cares for life and never wants to take one, but Snyder and Goyer saying this is what brings about his no killing rule implies otherwise and makes me wonder how they'll handle it in the sequel.

 

[LIBBY1957DOG]

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Thanks for that LIBBY, it does indeed look like one of the figures...and much better than I'd anticipated, to be honest.

When you buy sets like this, the extras are usually a bit duff. But if these are the ones, then they'll be a nice companion piece. This is a gift for my wife...I already have the 'Shield' 3D version on the way from Amazon France...

https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B00DSKW8U4/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


...which should arrive tomorrow! We'll have Superman flying around our living room tomorrow night

Just wondering ,i just got my french blu ray dvd combo and it seems really light on special features ,they are on the same disc as the blu ray ,and have a lord of the rings special included ,does your set have a separate special features disc ,as i thought there was a zack snyder commentary or something similar ,is there something im missing ,sadly i dont speak or read french lol,any tips on how to get the best from this set i have or will i have to double dip when man of steel has a uk release, thanks to all or any that help me out cheers chris

 

[DGTWoodward]

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Just wondering ,i just got my french blu ray dvd combo and it seems really light on special features ,they are on the same disc as the blu ray ,and have a lord of the rings special included ,does your set have a separate special features disc ,as i thought there was a zack snyder commentary or something similar ,is there something im missing ,sadly i dont speak or read french lol,any tips on how to get the best from this set i have or will i have to double dip when man of steel has a uk release, thanks to all or any that help me out cheers chris

This set has three discs in it, whereas the US Shield set has four disks. So, it looks like the 'Voyage Of Discovery' on this set is only available as a part of the digital copy, rather than on a separate disc as in the US version. Now, I don't know myself yet if this is going to work for me, but as France is Region B and I (though in the UK) am also Region B it may be OK.

I shall investigate further, and let you know later!

 

[LIBBY1957DOG]

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Thanks pal that would be great ,i honestly am lost here lol ,not a clue about digital copies and such like ,i heard there was a watch along feature ,i probably wrongly lol, assumed it was something you selected on the disc ,like a commentary,any clues on if i have it and if so how i can watch it ,i am so lame at this lol ,thanks again for your help cheers chris

 

[LIBBY1957DOG]

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By the way the discs play on my uk sony blu ray player in english no subtitles ,no problem ,and please feel free to explain things to me like you would a child or a idiot lol ,as my knowledge of this kind of thing is next to nothing ,thanks again

 

[Username]

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I hate the idea that Superman has to learn from killing Zod. Snyder and Goyer have said that his no killing rule has to come from somewhere, and they're right, but from actually killing someone? I don't think so. That's what his upbringing with the Kents is for. Saying that his no kill rule comes about because he killed Zod implies that Superman really didn't think killing someone would be a big deal, but once he did it he decided it just wasn't for him and then decides to never kill again. And it doesn't even come off that way in the film. In the film it seems like he really didn't want to kill Zod and that he likely already had a no kill rule in place, but unfortunately he was put in an impossible situation and really had no other choice but to do what he had to do. But Snyder and Goyer sort of keep shooting themselves in the foot by explaining it the way they have. They should have just said, "Look, we know Superman doesn't kill, but we wanted to put him in a situation where he absolutely had to because we thought it would be interesting for his character and to see how he handles it." I think that would be way better and would make a whole lot more sense as well.

I'd have to say that i think he had already learned it was wrong to kill, but what he learned from KILLING Zod is that perhaps it's not so cut/dry and Jonathan made out.

Okay. Any normal person knows it's wrong to kill.

But what if you had a gun in your holster, and a man is in your house with a gun to your wife's head telling you that he is going to kill her no matter what you do?

Would you try and shoot him to PREVENT death? Would you consider that ending a life? Or saving a life?

That's what i take from the death of Zod.

And technically, i wonder if Zod could actually be killed. I wouldn't be surprised to find him encased in steel in Area51.

You think you killed me by breaking my neck Kal? We are GODS here on this planet. It merely took me a while to heal

 

[DGTWoodward]

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The no killing rule was certainly present in the comics too, so who knows how far it really goes back?

I found this in an annual from 1982, another prezzie for the wife, for the Reeve content...



...so where did it actually start?

 

[Username]

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The no killing rule was certainly present in the comics too, so who knows how far it really goes back?

I found this in an annual from 1982, another prezzie for the wife, for the Reeve content...

...so where did it actually start?

Well Superman is a hero.
And heroes are supposed to only do good. That would include not killing anyone.
Not Man Of Steel related, but there was an observation made in the MovieMoanPodcast(I think it may have been the Superman Returns one), that says that if any one of us had the powers of Superman(And were normal people to begin with. Discounting a mega villain getting the powers), the only thing you could do with the powers would be help people.
If you were able to fly as fast as you could imagine, got your power and nourishment directly from the sun, had the strength enough to lift anything, up to and including the weight of the earth if you had to, and absolutely, positively could NOT be hurt physically, almost the only thing you could do with those powers would be to fly around and help people.
You'd feel like you were above everyone else and would feel compassion on a level unknown to normal people. You'd long to be like everyone else but know in your heart you will always be alone, and feel responsible for everyone.

It's a looooong video, but well worth a watch(They have done all the Superman movies, and don't have a lot of good to say about MOS, lol):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Np8mWnu4w

 

[The Iron Koob]

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Superman killed zod in an even worse way in superman II. Lois pushed the girl off a cliff and the two of them were cackling with laughter. Superman turned zod into a human and STILL killed him with a smirk on his face. I don't get why MOS gets so much hate when he had no choice but to kill zod and was clearly upset over it. It was a moment I quite liked actually and makes a hell of a lot more sense than what SII did.

 

[cr0w]

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I think the problem with MoS and peoples' reaction to it is that Snyder/Goyer included a completely cynical opinion of humanity in the film that is, by design, going to be changed by Supes himself in the coming flicks. We're at a point as a society where we have no hope, no aspirations, no role models, nothing to look up to. Just fear of our neighbors and what will happen to us if we don't conform to what society expects us to. The roles of Jonathan and Jor-El were completely reversed in the script, with Jonathan being the one who held Clark back from realizing his true potential and humanity and Jor-El being the one that teaches him how to be human, ironically enough, even though he's not.

Every bad thing that happens in the movie is due to Clark being afraid and selfish. Millions of people die or are injured and a city is destroyed because he's hell-bent on protecting Lois and his Mom, collateral damaged be damned. Jonathan raised him to protect himself and those closest to him no matter the cost because he was afraid of the rest of humanity. That led to ruin and destruction on a massive scale. When Clark decided to stop being selfish and protecting his own interests, and instead put the greater good ahead of his own good, is when he became the Superman we all know. Unfortunately, that happened at the tail end of the movie.

Now, whether you like this take or not is up to personal opinion. But as of right now, it's a relevant take on Superman rather than just another version of the big blue boring boy scout so many people are turned off by.

 

[cr0w]

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Hell, Clark isn't even Clark until the last scene of the movie. He's kind of proto-Superman from the beginning. Until he finds out what it means to be human and embrace it, he's not the Clark we all know.

 

[Double J]

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Superman killed zod in an even worse way in superman II. Lois pushed the girl off a cliff and the two of them were cackling with laughter. Superman turned zod into a human and STILL killed him with a smirk on his face. I don't get why MOS gets so much hate when he had no choice but to kill zod and was clearly upset over it. It was a moment I quite liked actually and makes a hell of a lot more sense than what SII did.

Thank you. I been saying this all along also.

 

[Username]

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Superman killed zod in an even worse way in superman II. Lois pushed the girl off a cliff and the two of them were cackling with laughter. Superman turned zod into a human and STILL killed him with a smirk on his face. I don't get why MOS gets so much hate when he had no choice but to kill zod and was clearly upset over it. It was a moment I quite liked actually and makes a hell of a lot more sense than what SII did.

I always like to think of the scene in S2 with Zod as a prelude to the deleted scenes where Zod, Non and Ursa get taken away by the cops and thrown in jail.
I know we were never shown that except in the tv version, but i never imagine Zod being killed by Superman.
The part that always seems petty is Superman beating up the trucker in the diner.

 

[Double J]

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The trucker in the diner was one of my favorite parts of superman 2. The guy was a **** head and needed to be taught a lesson. Plus its great when he slides him down the table. And that other dude keeps eating.

 

[Username]

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The trucker in the diner was one of my favorite parts of superman 2. The guy was a **** head and needed to be taught a lesson. Plus its great when he slides him down the table. And that other dude keeps eating.

Superman should really be above that though. It's really petty.

 

[Ramatuelle]

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And technically, i wonder if Zod could actually be killed. I wouldn't be surprised to find him encased in steel in Area51.

I was thinking we might see him in a nuclear storage bunker with 12' thick, blast-proof walls, like they wanted to put the xenomorph in at the end of "Alien III."

I too have a really hard time believing he is dead and going to stay dead.

 

[Ramatuelle]

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I'm aware that's what happened to Superman and I don't mind it, but like I said, Snyder and Goyer aren't really helping themselves out by explaining it the way they have. I didn't mind Zod's death because I thought it showed a Superman who clearly cares for life and never wants to take one, but Snyder and Goyer saying this is what brings about his no killing rule implies otherwise and makes me wonder how they'll handle it in the sequel.

How they will handle it in the sequel is, there will be no more killing because Superman now knows more clearly than ever that he does not like to kill. This epiphany was brought about by the fact that he's now been forced to kill. He asked Zod to desist multiple times and Zod's response was "Never." So....

The situation is what it is.

 

[imaI2EAPEi2]

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[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkK7_FsJE7Q[/ame]

My favorite scene from this beautiful kryptonian!!!

COME ON HOT TOYS MAKE IT HAPPEN!

 

[SMC92]

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Superman should really be above that though. It's really petty.

Honestly if it were you wouldn't you do the same?